Found at the Beach...
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mford514
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it is for sure a whiting...maybe i'll grow him and eat him 
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cside
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yeah i guess it is. i have never seen one around here though. Where in florida did you find it? the closest thing i found was this:
but it is most likely the whiting. Whitings and Redfish are both Drums, but the juv redfish looks like this:
btw please tell me if my pics dont work :wildone:
mford514
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top is whiting bottom is ground mullet...forget the fish...check out that crab...
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I'm going to put my. 02 cents into this. I see no problem with people collecting for their tanks as long as it's all legal. My thing is that if you do decide to collect please dont throw it back into the water. You may introduce a foreign disease into local waters. Nice looking stuff you collected btw hope it all works out.
gabew sez:
"I go down to the beach every weekend to collect stuff for my coldwater tank. So far everything is doing great and some fish are even breeding. I doubt half that stuff would still be alive in the wild."
That's certainly better than collecting stuff that dies shortly thereafter. But I think you're missing part of the point. Taking it out of the wild means it's not part of its natural ecosystem any longer. If it dies in the wild, it becomes food for something else. Didn't you ever see The Lion King?
"If you guys got problem with that you should consider changing hobbies. We as a species destroy are destroying the world, get used to it."
Right on bro! We're destroying the world anyway. So screw the whales, and the dolphins too. Polar Bears? F@#$ 'em. Now let's all have a nice hot bowl of shark fin soup.
Unlike other animals, we're able to be aware of our impact. We can choose to care about it or not.
I'm sure your personal collecting doesn't do any damage, and I don't have a problem with it. But the idea that destroying the planet is inevitable seems kinda defeatist to me. Maybe I'm just naive.
"I go down to the beach every weekend to collect stuff for my coldwater tank. So far everything is doing great and some fish are even breeding. I doubt half that stuff would still be alive in the wild."
That's certainly better than collecting stuff that dies shortly thereafter. But I think you're missing part of the point. Taking it out of the wild means it's not part of its natural ecosystem any longer. If it dies in the wild, it becomes food for something else. Didn't you ever see The Lion King?
"If you guys got problem with that you should consider changing hobbies. We as a species destroy are destroying the world, get used to it."
Right on bro! We're destroying the world anyway. So screw the whales, and the dolphins too. Polar Bears? F@#$ 'em. Now let's all have a nice hot bowl of shark fin soup.
Unlike other animals, we're able to be aware of our impact. We can choose to care about it or not.
I'm sure your personal collecting doesn't do any damage, and I don't have a problem with it. But the idea that destroying the planet is inevitable seems kinda defeatist to me. Maybe I'm just naive.
When I was a kid, my dad and I would head to Fla. every summer to collect more specimens for our "Gulf of Mexico" tank. We used these "Bayou Ed" circulation systems you could use in ice chests to transport everything back to New Orleans. We had a blast!
As far as whether or not you should know how to care for something before buying it: How many fish/inverts are at your LFS right now that have a low chance of long-term survival in a home aquarium? How many fish/inverts did we kill back in the day just to figure out which ones do well in an aquarium vs. which ones do not? How many fish/inverts have been killed as part of the "trial and error" which has led to the vast knowledge of the hobby we have today? 20+ years in this hobby and one thing still holds true, it's more opinion than fact. I've seen people break all the rules, buy fish that aren't supposed to live long-term and their systems are thriving. Conversely, I know people who follow all the rules and everything dies on them.
We learn by doing.
As far as whether or not you should know how to care for something before buying it: How many fish/inverts are at your LFS right now that have a low chance of long-term survival in a home aquarium? How many fish/inverts did we kill back in the day just to figure out which ones do well in an aquarium vs. which ones do not? How many fish/inverts have been killed as part of the "trial and error" which has led to the vast knowledge of the hobby we have today? 20+ years in this hobby and one thing still holds true, it's more opinion than fact. I've seen people break all the rules, buy fish that aren't supposed to live long-term and their systems are thriving. Conversely, I know people who follow all the rules and everything dies on them.
We learn by doing.
tqpolo
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Where do you think most of the livestocks in your tank come from?
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Well, I wasn't so much worried about the fact that you took animals from the wild as in the first post you don't mention having a license for collecting such animals. I do see in a later post that you said you do have the proper license so no worries there. Most animals sold in the aquarium trade are taken from the wild. Where do you guys think most of your livestock comes from?
Also, how many people on this forum have bought fish/starfish/shrimp/etc without having all the info on their care beforehand? Alot of people. Should people do more homework before buying or collecting an animal...sure, but lots of people research after they get something. Some people don't research at all. At least, this guy is trying to research the animals he got so he can care for them adequately. He is no different than any hobbyist who goes into Fishey Business sees a starfish and buys it without having all the info first. Sure, maybe next time he should do a bit more research first, but for the time being, just give him some advice on caring for the animals. Everyone telling him where he went wrong is not going to help him care for the animals he has now got. People are so worried about judging that they forget the animals that are now in his aquarium. Give him advice on caring for them so he maybe has a chance of keeping them alive instead of automatically saying there is 0% chance of them surviving. What help is that?
Also, how many people on this forum have bought fish/starfish/shrimp/etc without having all the info on their care beforehand? Alot of people. Should people do more homework before buying or collecting an animal...sure, but lots of people research after they get something. Some people don't research at all. At least, this guy is trying to research the animals he got so he can care for them adequately. He is no different than any hobbyist who goes into Fishey Business sees a starfish and buys it without having all the info first. Sure, maybe next time he should do a bit more research first, but for the time being, just give him some advice on caring for the animals. Everyone telling him where he went wrong is not going to help him care for the animals he has now got. People are so worried about judging that they forget the animals that are now in his aquarium. Give him advice on caring for them so he maybe has a chance of keeping them alive instead of automatically saying there is 0% chance of them surviving. What help is that?
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gabew
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I'm not saying screw the planet, I am saying quite the opposite. I love the planet, I spent thousands on an aquarium so I could enjoy it. I am saying instead of getting all mad at one guy who brought a some stuff home from the beach we should focus on getting mad at the guys hacking down rainforest or polluting the oceans. We have bigger problems to worry about. So instead of directing all this negative energy towards saving a starfish, we should try and save the whole fricking planet.
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To all the haters: right energy, wrong focus. Lay off this guy. He collected a few specimens from the beach. Big deal. Do any of you know the actual survival rate of any of these animals in the wild? I think, for most marine life, it's something like 1/10th of 1%. Why do you think they produce hundreds of thousands of eggs per spawning (even millions, in some cases)? Because, the vast majority of them die before they reach reproductive age.
What the OP did was merely play a part in the cycle. The only problem is, he's not eating these creatures and returning their energy to the cycle. If he was a seagull eating these things, no one would have a problem with these creatures being taken from the tide pool. Instead, he took them and is *gasp* trying to keep them alive. How dare he?
Would they have lived in the tide pool? Maybe. Would they have died being exposed on the beach? Maybe. The point is, we don't know what would have happened to the critters. But, I can tell you this, this person removing them had absolutely zero effect on the overall survival of the species in question.
This brings me back to my original statement of "right energy, wrong focus." There are far fewer people bringing home live critters from the beach than there are individuals or commercial entities harvesting vast numbers of organisms from the ocean. There are even greater numbers of "entities" altering the environment in such a way as to have negative impacts on the populations of all organisms, in all ecosystems throughout the world. If you really care so much about the environment and want to make a difference, write your local politicians. Write to companies that exploit our world's natural resources. Boycott their products. Don't throw anything out. Reuse all of your garbage and don't ever buy another drop of gasoline, ever. Ride your bike to work or, even better, walk. And, please, don't ever buy another bottle of bottled water again....ever. But, please, I beg you...don't waste the energy and words on a guy who took a few critters off the beach.
And, before you jump all over the next guy who posts he took something off the beach, reexamine what you do everyday and how it affects the world around you. If you truly feel that you're squeaky clean after that self-reflection then, by all means, blast away. But, if everyone that posts here has an aquarium, I can tell you right off the bat that you have blood on your hands and have no right to lambaste anyone for taking a creature from the wild.
What the OP did was merely play a part in the cycle. The only problem is, he's not eating these creatures and returning their energy to the cycle. If he was a seagull eating these things, no one would have a problem with these creatures being taken from the tide pool. Instead, he took them and is *gasp* trying to keep them alive. How dare he?
Would they have lived in the tide pool? Maybe. Would they have died being exposed on the beach? Maybe. The point is, we don't know what would have happened to the critters. But, I can tell you this, this person removing them had absolutely zero effect on the overall survival of the species in question.
This brings me back to my original statement of "right energy, wrong focus." There are far fewer people bringing home live critters from the beach than there are individuals or commercial entities harvesting vast numbers of organisms from the ocean. There are even greater numbers of "entities" altering the environment in such a way as to have negative impacts on the populations of all organisms, in all ecosystems throughout the world. If you really care so much about the environment and want to make a difference, write your local politicians. Write to companies that exploit our world's natural resources. Boycott their products. Don't throw anything out. Reuse all of your garbage and don't ever buy another drop of gasoline, ever. Ride your bike to work or, even better, walk. And, please, don't ever buy another bottle of bottled water again....ever. But, please, I beg you...don't waste the energy and words on a guy who took a few critters off the beach.
And, before you jump all over the next guy who posts he took something off the beach, reexamine what you do everyday and how it affects the world around you. If you truly feel that you're squeaky clean after that self-reflection then, by all means, blast away. But, if everyone that posts here has an aquarium, I can tell you right off the bat that you have blood on your hands and have no right to lambaste anyone for taking a creature from the wild.
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ezerasurfr
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^^^^ +1 ^^^^
jlylec
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hahaha...+1...I don't even know why I read this whole thread. It's funny to me. I'm going to go home and release my cat back to the wild. Wish her luck!
gtstylez87
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you do know its highly illegal to collect long spine urchins in florida right?
Look at what we collected
Jk locals picks them up every low tide, and they make a meal out of them
there not license just hungry
bleedfire
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gtstylez87
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ok kul because last week this guy at the beach had 3 in his bucket and game patrol slapped the cuffs on him.
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