Fully stocked reef tank ICH Treatment!!!! IT WORKS!!!

[texdoc77]

This has been one of the best threads to read. Not sure how I stumbled on it, but I read it from beginning to end. When I noticed the first post was in 2011 I was immediately heartbroke and from there on out it was like reading a novel where you already know the tragic outcome but read to find out how.

***Steps on soapbox, clears throat***

Of course if levamisole had consistent results ich would be a thing of the past, to me this just makes sense. I have read through all the stickies and levamisole is not there, so apparently it does not work in a consistent manner and if something does not work in a consistent manner IT DOES NOT WORK. There of course were stories of it working for this and that person, but for those that know statistics the "power" of those anecdotes is nil and the null hypothesis, at least the assumed one had to be the correct hypothesis. In this case the null hypothesis is that any evidence that this medication did work was completely random chance and not cause and effect from the medicine. This should make sense since we already know this medication does not target the intended audience. However, desperate times call for desperate measures and thus emotion is a very strong force, just not a reliable one. Anyway when it comes to reefing I am a neophyte to some that have multiple decades and careers in the field. However, when it comes to talking with people day in and day out about what medically works and what does not, well that is my cup of tea. And when it comes to ich prevention is the key. The best way to prevent is to QT. Is QT mandatory? Well it depends on the question. But bottom line is for a reefer bent on keeping tanks for years with good husbandry and happy fish, it really is the easiest option.

***Steps off soapbox***

My favorite post was a more recent poster who I would assume read through all of this and non-chalantly asked where they could get some. LOL priceless.

Have a great weekend!!

 

[Deinonych]

This has been one of the best threads to read. Not sure how I stumbled on it, but I read it from beginning to end. When I noticed the first post was in 2011 I was immediately heartbroke and from there on out it was like reading a novel where you already know the tragic outcome but read to find out how.

***Steps on soapbox, clears throat***

Of course if levamisole had consistent results ich would be a thing of the past, to me this just makes sense. I have read through all the stickies and levamisole is not there, so apparently it does not work in a consistent manner and if something does not work in a consistent manner IT DOES NOT WORK. There of course were stories of it working for this and that person, but for those that know statistics the "power" of those anecdotes is nil and the null hypothesis, at least the assumed one had to be the correct hypothesis. In this case the null hypothesis is that any evidence that this medication did work was completely random chance and not cause and effect from the medicine. This should make sense since we already know this medication does not target the intended audience. However, desperate times call for desperate measures and thus emotion is a very strong force, just not a reliable one. Anyway when it comes to reefing I am a neophyte to some that have multiple decades and careers in the field. However, when it comes to talking with people day in and day out about what medically works and what does not, well that is my cup of tea. And when it comes to ich prevention is the key. The best way to prevent is to QT. Is QT mandatory? Well it depends on the question. But bottom line is for a reefer bent on keeping tanks for years with good husbandry and happy fish, it really is the easiest option.

***Steps off soapbox***

My favorite post was a more recent poster who I would assume read through all of this and non-chalantly asked where they could get some. LOL priceless.

Have a great weekend!!

This. :thumbsup:

 

[DrPat]

levamisole kills more than ich

levamisole kills more than ich

levamisole is a dewormer and immunostimulant used in large animal veterinary medicine . It will KILL white spot and many worms and other inverts . not advisable to use it in the display tank.

 

[Deinonych]

levamisole is a dewormer and immunostimulant used in large animal veterinary medicine . It will KILL white spot and many worms and other inverts . not advisable to use it in the display tank.

Can you provide any citations that support levamisole's efficacy against Cryptocaryon? Everything I have read indicates it is a potent anthelmintic only.

 

[ThRoewer]

levamisole is a ... immunostimulant ...

This may be the reason why it seems to work against Cryptocaryon. Sometimes it is just enough to get the fish's immune system up to the task of keeping the parasites in check.

 

[dkmcelroy]

Ok ladies and gentlemen, I will be trying it out... just ordered it from valleyvet.com and I will be reporting the results here next week after following the instructions above for only 2 hours with no carbon or skimming. (No need to read the rest unless you will be following the results)

System running is a stock 175 Gallon Red Sea Max S-650 reef spec that has just completed the Red Sea Mature Pro Kit 21 day cycle (Worked marvelously by the way) a couple weeks ago. My system was filled and running starting 7/25/2015. The only equipment I am running outside of the Red Sea system is a 1/3 HP Arctica Chiller and Eshopps Dosing Pump IV-200 and Slave IV-300 for the Red Sea Reef Foundation ABC and NOPOX.

I will stop dosing the NOPOX the day before since it cannot be run without skimming.

Currently changing 10 gallons per week with Red Sea Coral Pro salt mix
Most recent water parameters (8/31/2015): (All using red sea test kits)
Temp 80.6 F
Salinity 1.025
PH 8.2
Calcium 490
Alkalinity 10.6
Magnesium 1360
Ammonia 0
Nitrite 0
Nitrates 14
Phosphates .02

Current live stock:

Pair of black ice ocellaris clowns
Pair of pajama cardinals
Powder Blue Tang
Blue Hippo Tang
Yellow Tang
Juvenile one spot fox face
Juvenile Sailfin Tang (I know the system is too small, yet my son HAD to have him. we will move him to my brothers 600 gallon when he is 4-5")
Juvenile 6 line wrasse
Starry Blenny
Fire fish
Royal Gramma Basslet
Purple dottyback
Flameback Angel (In sump, was being a jerk to every fish in the tank)
10 nesarius snails
30 assorted cleaner crabs and snails
Blood shrimp
3 peppermint shrimp
Arrow Crab
3 emerald crabs

Cheap test coral:
Green bubble tip anemone (clowns hosted first day)
6"x6" green star polyp

Stay tuned....

 

[imagex]

Ok ladies and gentlemen, I will be trying it out... just ordered it from valleyvet.com and I will be reporting the results here next week after following the instructions above for only 2 hours with no carbon or skimming. (No need to read the rest unless you will be following the results)

System running is a stock 175 Gallon Red Sea Max S-650 reef spec that has just completed the Red Sea Mature Pro Kit 21 day cycle (Worked marvelously by the way) a couple weeks ago. My system was filled and running starting 7/25/2015. The only equipment I am running outside of the Red Sea system is a 1/3 HP Arctica Chiller and Eshopps Dosing Pump IV-200 and Slave IV-300 for the Red Sea Reef Foundation ABC and NOPOX.

I will stop dosing the NOPOX the day before since it cannot be run without skimming.

Currently changing 10 gallons per week with Red Sea Coral Pro salt mix
Most recent water parameters (8/31/2015): (All using red sea test kits)
Temp 80.6 F
Salinity 1.025
PH 8.2
Calcium 490
Alkalinity 10.6
Magnesium 1360
Ammonia 0
Nitrite 0
Nitrates 14
Phosphates .02

Current live stock:

Pair of black ice ocellaris clowns
Pair of pajama cardinals
Powder Blue Tang
Blue Hippo Tang
Yellow Tang
Juvenile one spot fox face
Juvenile Sailfin Tang (I know the system is too small, yet my son HAD to have him. we will move him to my brothers 600 gallon when he is 4-5")
Juvenile 6 line wrasse
Starry Blenny
Fire fish
Royal Gramma Basslet
Purple dottyback
Flameback Angel (In sump, was being a jerk to every fish in the tank)
10 nesarius snails
30 assorted cleaner crabs and snails
Blood shrimp
3 peppermint shrimp
Arrow Crab
3 emerald crabs

Cheap test coral:
Green bubble tip anemone (clowns hosted first day)
6"x6" green star polyp

Stay tuned....

so did it work??

 

[domination2580]

Any updates?

 

[bigzman]

I have read the Aefw use cases with prohibit. Some are successful others claim flatworms return. Must share that corals do well and other than bristle worms dying and stunning star fish all survives. I am not sure how this works with inch but I wonder how the methods was conceived.

For flatworm the process is similar dosing amounts vary. Time vary. Carbon used to remove it. But the part I really would like to know is why cut out the skimmer vs reducing foam production? Correct me if I am wrong but some medication don't require one to turn off skimmer. Also can anyone answer if skimming actually removes medications. The other part that was unclear in Jda post on prohibit was if carbon actually removes it and if any of it bind to rocks / sand.

 

[alwmh4]

Please. More. This is an excellent thread

 

[microlady]

Yes, it is very interesting. I feel that even if this chemical is an immuno-stimulant, that the crypto will come back to bite you. Ich somehow was entrenched in my system even though no fish showed symptoms for over a year. It came back to cause a wipe-out when I moved the tank to our new house. Now I'm treating the survivors and letting the tank go fallow for 72 days . . .

 

[bayou fish]

hey

 

[bayou fish]

just bought some and going to try it

 

[canada55]

Back in December I had posted that I had a ich infested multi-tank system. I did build a multi-tank 250 gall quarantine system to run my tanks fallow. The follow weeks that I was building the quarantine system all "visible" symptoms of the ich disappeared from all tanks all fish. It's now been 5 months with no sign. Everyone is healthy and eating well, only lost a few fish from jumping out (suicide).

I realize that the ich may still be there and dormant, and I still have my quarantine ready and in standby mode....

not a promotion- but I did try Hikari Ich-X Saltwater Treatment
and fed my display tank New Life Spectrum Ick-Shield pellets (once a day)

Been a year now since my ich out break.... never did see it reappear but don't consider it gone either....still have 250 gal quarantine ready just in case....

 

[ThRoewer]

levamisole is a dewormer and immunostimulant used in large animal veterinary medicine . It will KILL white spot and many worms and other inverts . not advisable to use it in the display tank.

If Levamisole would kill Cryptocaryon you would read about it in scientific publications. It has long been used to deworm fish, so if it would also kill ich it would have been found a while ago.

If there is any benefit to it, it is likely the immune system stimulating properties. A fish with a immune system up to the task can fend ich off or at a minimum keep it so much in check that he doesn't get sick (sick and infected aren't the same).

Been a year now since my ich out break.... never did see it reappear but don't consider it gone either....still have 250 gal quarantine ready just in case....

Well, I had a flare up in my tank at the beginning of September after adding fish that had been in QT for 6 months. The new fish and some of the old had spots on and off for about a month with declining tendency. Some only had one wave showing up and then nothing anymore. By now all are symptom free, but the bug is likely still lurking in the system.

My point: otherwise healthy and happy fish with a fit immune system will in general be able to develop enough immunity to fend off a light infection and not be weakened by it. After one or two waves these fish usually stay symptom free.
I have seen that plenty of times in my tanks and usually didn't do anything against ich.
In my experience the only fish this hardly ever works for are tangs, at least not in tanks below 200 gallon - likely more - where they are constantly stressed out.

So ich may go away after adding something, but it would like have gone "away" (out of sight) without doing anything.

 

[nanomania]

Anyone tried seachem metroplex with seachem focus and food?

 

[Deinonych]

Anyone tried seachem metroplex with seachem focus and food?

Metroplex is just Seachem's brand of metronidazole. Metronidazole is not an effective treatment for ich.

 

[Breakthecycle2]

HAs there been any updates on this?

 

[Plasticmask]

I am writing this with every intention of being PEACEFUL and am PEACEFULLY asking what seems to *me* to be legitimate questions here, in a PEACEFUL manner.

That having been said...

It seems to me, after reading and reading and reading especially this particular Forum, that if someone insists that something doesn't work (whatever it is) then everyone who agrees with that person gets kudos and everyone who disagrees gets vilified.

I'm wondering at the logic presented here, regarding this stuff. Specifically, the basic statements that say "if there really were a medical cure for ich, it'd be well known by everyone and for sale all over the world" that kind of thing.
Um, my question is a "but" question. Here it is:
But, isn't that exactly the case? It's well known, it's available everywhere. Just like several other ich treatments. Yet if this Forum is to be understood, none of them work?

I mean, the LFS sells ich treatments of varying kinds and they are available all over the world, they usually have the same basic active drugs in them, people have reported varying results from perfect success to perfect failure and nobody can prove nor disprove that any of the people who failed at using it were even following the directions...

If none of these treatments are worth anything, if they're all just a big scam or lie or whatever someone is saying when they couldn't make it work for themselves, then why are they continually being sold at so many places literally all over the world for so many, many years and with so many reports of success?

If there were NO reports of success, then nobody would buy them and they'd stop selling them.

I'm just extending the logic that is being presented here.

I hope that my point is seen. I'm trying to be clear, not trying to flame anyone nor insult anyone, not at all, not even a little bit.

Thank you.

 

[LobsterOfJustice]

Metroplex is just Seachem's brand of metronidazole. Metronidazole is not an effective treatment for ich.

Does metronidazole offer any therapeutic value? It may not cure an infection on its own but does it offer any suppression or benefit?


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