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insane
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A blue colored bulb does not an actinic make.
A blue colored bulb does not an actinic make.
If you look at the chart here, you will see that at the lower end is the range that a true actinic lamp is designed to recreate. 420nm & 460nm.
Your bulb there will not do what an actinic does. The visible color it puts out probably just looks similar to an actinic. Your bulb is like these.
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A blue colored bulb does not an actinic make.
Unless your bulb or packaging specifically states it is either 420nm or 460nm Actinic, it is not an actinic. It is just a blue colored lightbulb. It would be good for either use as a moonlight or as mood lighting in your house. It will not produce the effect of photosynthesis in corals as an actinic lamp does.
If you look at the chart here, you will see that at the lower end is the range that a true actinic lamp is designed to recreate. 420nm & 460nm.
Your bulb there will not do what an actinic does. The visible color it puts out probably just looks similar to an actinic. Your bulb is like these.
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Phillstone
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Anyone can have a Pristine "Japanese" type set-up
but its takes special talent to be a true American Ghetto Reefer! and by special I mean lil bus rider
but its takes special talent to be a true American Ghetto Reefer! and by special I mean lil bus rider
logiktest
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15413701#post15413701 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Rhodes19
Hi logiktest,
How do you have these set up? Do you have them in an aquarium hood or are you using a work light reflector? I'll have to pick one up on my way home today for my 29 and give it a try.
Hi Rhodes,
I have them in sockets, placed about 1' apart, facing strait down inside my canopy. No reflectors. That is on my 4' 150g.
When I had a 29g, I had one of these bulbs in a lamp that sat next to the tank. The lamp and lamp shade was a few feet taller than the display, so the light would shine down into the tank. Not as dramatic, but I didn't have a canopy on that tank. It still had good shimmer and fluorescence though.
I'll try to get a pic, but I need more batteries first.
insane
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Re: Re: A blue colored bulb does not an actinic make.
Re: Re: A blue colored bulb does not an actinic make.
A blue party bulb will not do what an actinic will do or what a blue-ish 20k MH will do just because it is painted blue. It does not emit the correct wavelengths. That lamp uses either blue glass or a blue clear or ceramic coating like a xmas light bulb. You can also use blue gel sheet to make blue light but it will not make the light bulb an actinic. You can paint the bulb with blue Colorine liquid gel and it won't increase the light bulbs effectiveness. You can also try blue dichroic glass gels and it will not work like you are thinking that lamp will. You can use a blue Fluorescent Sleeve on a regular Fluorescent Tube and it will not make it an actinic.
That is like saying a white bulb will give you a tan or a red light bulb produces infra red or a yellow bulb will make heat. Black lights don't make black light either. They produce UVA light. Long Wave Ultraviolet Light. You would have better luck with a black light than a white light bulb that is painted blue or is blue glass.
What color is a true actinic lamp when the power is off?
A fluorescent lamp or fluorescent tube is a gas-discharge lamp that uses electricity to excite mercury vapor. The excited mercury atoms produce short-wave ultraviolet light that then causes a phosphor to fluoresce, producing visible light. The wave lengths a bulb can emit are based what is inside of the lamp, not what is on the outside. If you look here you will see that short-wave UV which a little screw in CF produces is even lower than a blacklight. A true actinic produces 420nm or 460nm. A blacklight is closer to being what you want than a cheap blue colored light bulb.
If you would like to learn about how to make different colors of light without actually making the bulbs effectiveness any different then look here.
Rosco Gels for Special Effects & Stage Lighting
And what they mean by high temperature is that the gel will withstand the high heat from a 1000w stage light at an 8" distance for an extended period of time. But putting one of the blue ones over a MH will not make it an actinic.
Something I have seen in my past 20+ years of installing lighting systems over dancefloors in nightclubs is that the color blue is the hardest one to create. Most blue gels look very bad, washed out or too dark. The strip clubs prefer blues. Red shows stretchmarks! Green makes them look sick in a bad way. It is a rough job but someone has to do it.
One thing I do know a lot about is how to create colored lighting. It is a part of my profession.
You bet I am,
insane
Re: Re: A blue colored bulb does not an actinic make.
A blue party bulb will not do what an actinic will do or what a blue-ish 20k MH will do just because it is painted blue. It does not emit the correct wavelengths. That lamp uses either blue glass or a blue clear or ceramic coating like a xmas light bulb. You can also use blue gel sheet to make blue light but it will not make the light bulb an actinic. You can paint the bulb with blue Colorine liquid gel and it won't increase the light bulbs effectiveness. You can also try blue dichroic glass gels and it will not work like you are thinking that lamp will. You can use a blue Fluorescent Sleeve on a regular Fluorescent Tube and it will not make it an actinic.
That is like saying a white bulb will give you a tan or a red light bulb produces infra red or a yellow bulb will make heat. Black lights don't make black light either. They produce UVA light. Long Wave Ultraviolet Light. You would have better luck with a black light than a white light bulb that is painted blue or is blue glass.
What color is a true actinic lamp when the power is off?
A fluorescent lamp or fluorescent tube is a gas-discharge lamp that uses electricity to excite mercury vapor. The excited mercury atoms produce short-wave ultraviolet light that then causes a phosphor to fluoresce, producing visible light. The wave lengths a bulb can emit are based what is inside of the lamp, not what is on the outside. If you look here you will see that short-wave UV which a little screw in CF produces is even lower than a blacklight. A true actinic produces 420nm or 460nm. A blacklight is closer to being what you want than a cheap blue colored light bulb.
If you would like to learn about how to make different colors of light without actually making the bulbs effectiveness any different then look here.
Rosco Gels for Special Effects & Stage Lighting
And what they mean by high temperature is that the gel will withstand the high heat from a 1000w stage light at an 8" distance for an extended period of time. But putting one of the blue ones over a MH will not make it an actinic.
Something I have seen in my past 20+ years of installing lighting systems over dancefloors in nightclubs is that the color blue is the hardest one to create. Most blue gels look very bad, washed out or too dark. The strip clubs prefer blues. Red shows stretchmarks! Green makes them look sick in a bad way. It is a rough job but someone has to do it.
One thing I do know a lot about is how to create colored lighting. It is a part of my profession.
You bet I am,
insane
logiktest
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Insane, I don't doubt what your saying...
Personally, these blue party bulbs simply "Look Good" to my eye. And their cheep. I have plenty of high quality lighting over my tank to provide the needed photosynthesis.
This is the Ghetto Rig thread, so while we're on the subject, please allow me to share my 10 gallon canopy and light rig:
The light rig:
<a href="http://s278.photobucket.com/albums/kk87/Logik1za/?action=view¤t=FoamAndRockReef085.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk87/Logik1za/FoamAndRockReef085.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>
<a href="http://s278.photobucket.com/albums/kk87/Logik1za/?action=view¤t=FoamAndRockReef084.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk87/Logik1za/FoamAndRockReef084.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>
Just the blue party bulbs:
<a href="http://s278.photobucket.com/albums/kk87/Logik1za/?action=view¤t=FoamAndRockReef079.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk87/Logik1za/FoamAndRockReef079.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>
I hope these pictures are worthy of such an awesome thread.
Personally, these blue party bulbs simply "Look Good" to my eye. And their cheep. I have plenty of high quality lighting over my tank to provide the needed photosynthesis.
This is the Ghetto Rig thread, so while we're on the subject, please allow me to share my 10 gallon canopy and light rig:
The light rig:
<a href="http://s278.photobucket.com/albums/kk87/Logik1za/?action=view¤t=FoamAndRockReef085.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk87/Logik1za/FoamAndRockReef085.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>
<a href="http://s278.photobucket.com/albums/kk87/Logik1za/?action=view¤t=FoamAndRockReef084.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk87/Logik1za/FoamAndRockReef084.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>
Just the blue party bulbs:
<a href="http://s278.photobucket.com/albums/kk87/Logik1za/?action=view¤t=FoamAndRockReef079.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk87/Logik1za/FoamAndRockReef079.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>
I hope these pictures are worthy of such an awesome thread.
insane
Member
Holy Shitaki
Holy Shitaki
Ever considered using the blacklight version as a moonlight? Then it would really make things pop in the dark when the other lights are out. Maybe do just one in the middle socket on a seperate timer. Love the unique corals. Mine like that all either black of white.
I just read through your build thread.... That baby deserves a blacklight moonlight. Where's the rest of your build?????? Talk about a let down 11 pages later and then left hangin'. When you posted that pic of your lights on the 10g, I wasn't sure if you bought that rockwall or made it. Where is the rest of your build thread???? I am impressed. Those F10T5 are a little high priced. Found you another option if you do another build like that for white T5's.
http://www.bulbman.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=4364_5045_5046
F13T5
13 Watt
20.98" long
$3.95 up to $23.50
http://www.bulbman.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=4364_5045_8717
F10T5
10 Watt
16.38" long
$19.95
http://www.bulbman.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=4364_5045_5090
F8T5
8 Watt
12.01" long
$1.65 to $2.25
http://www.bulbman.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=4364_5045_5087
F6T5
6 Watt
9.02" long
$1.25 to $3.75
http://www.bulbman.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=4364_5045_5086
F4T5
4watt
5.98" long
$2.05 to $3.25
Now where is the finished build?
Still,
insane
Holy Shitaki
Ever considered using the blacklight version as a moonlight? Then it would really make things pop in the dark when the other lights are out. Maybe do just one in the middle socket on a seperate timer. Love the unique corals. Mine like that all either black of white.
I just read through your build thread.... That baby deserves a blacklight moonlight. Where's the rest of your build?????? Talk about a let down 11 pages later and then left hangin'. When you posted that pic of your lights on the 10g, I wasn't sure if you bought that rockwall or made it. Where is the rest of your build thread???? I am impressed. Those F10T5 are a little high priced. Found you another option if you do another build like that for white T5's.
http://www.bulbman.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=4364_5045_5046
F13T5
13 Watt
20.98" long
$3.95 up to $23.50
http://www.bulbman.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=4364_5045_8717
F10T5
10 Watt
16.38" long
$19.95
http://www.bulbman.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=4364_5045_5090
F8T5
8 Watt
12.01" long
$1.65 to $2.25
http://www.bulbman.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=4364_5045_5087
F6T5
6 Watt
9.02" long
$1.25 to $3.75
http://www.bulbman.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=4364_5045_5086
F4T5
4watt
5.98" long
$2.05 to $3.25
Now where is the finished build?
Still,
insane
jubjub
New member
sorry insane we need more ghetto and less science.....they might not be antinic what ever they look awesome imo...all i care about
also on ghetto rigging my blue bulb is on clip projector thinggy from walmart and here's my lumenbrights w/ phoenix SE bulbs on its ghetto stand lol.....
excuse pic camera phone
also on ghetto rigging my blue bulb is on clip projector thinggy from walmart and here's my lumenbrights w/ phoenix SE bulbs on its ghetto stand lol.....
excuse pic camera phone
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Rhodes19
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COOL BEANS! Thanks logiktest for the info and for the pictures. Can't wait to try it.<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15415286#post15415286 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by logiktest
Hi Rhodes,
I have them in sockets, placed about 1' apart, facing strait down inside my canopy. No reflectors. That is on my 4' 150g.
When I had a 29g, I had one of these bulbs in a lamp that sat next to the tank. The lamp and lamp shade was a few feet taller than the display, so the light would shine down into the tank. Not as dramatic, but I didn't have a canopy on that tank. It still had good shimmer and fluorescence though.
I'll try to get a pic, but I need more batteries first.
Chris
Here is my contribution to a great thread. I do not have any pictures because I am at work but it is pretty self explanatory.
Project: DIY ghetto mechanical filter
Parts:
1. Rubbermade gallon container. It is easier if it has a screw top lid and is wide enough to fit your hand in (Walmart): $4
2. Craft fiber, the stuff for pillows or kids' stuffed toys (Walmart): $4
3. Powerhead or 2 everyone has one for mixing etc. I use 2 MJ 1200
4. Flexible tube, I use mine off my gravel siphon and it fits the MJ.
If you want to be even cheaper you can use a milk jug or coke bottle etc. and recycle it later.
Steps:
1. Cut an opening in your container that will snug up the hose.
2. Drill enough holes in the bottom for water flow.
3. Fill the container ½ to ¾ full of floss.
4. Connect the powerhead to tube and insert, turn on.
5. With the other powerhead blow off the rocks etc.
6. Every 30 minutes stir up again.
Background:
My sump had about an inch of detritus and I broke it completely down one Saturday. It took about 8 hours and was a pain. About 3 months later I was up to ½ inch again and did not want to do it again. I thought about a DE filter but I was not going to pay $150 for one so I made this one for about $10 and extra parts.
When it is finished I throw the floss away, rinse the container out and use it about once every two months now. The bag will last for over a year too.
Hope this helps someone else out.
Project: DIY ghetto mechanical filter
Parts:
1. Rubbermade gallon container. It is easier if it has a screw top lid and is wide enough to fit your hand in (Walmart): $4
2. Craft fiber, the stuff for pillows or kids' stuffed toys (Walmart): $4
3. Powerhead or 2 everyone has one for mixing etc. I use 2 MJ 1200
4. Flexible tube, I use mine off my gravel siphon and it fits the MJ.
If you want to be even cheaper you can use a milk jug or coke bottle etc. and recycle it later.
Steps:
1. Cut an opening in your container that will snug up the hose.
2. Drill enough holes in the bottom for water flow.
3. Fill the container ½ to ¾ full of floss.
4. Connect the powerhead to tube and insert, turn on.
5. With the other powerhead blow off the rocks etc.
6. Every 30 minutes stir up again.
Background:
My sump had about an inch of detritus and I broke it completely down one Saturday. It took about 8 hours and was a pain. About 3 months later I was up to ½ inch again and did not want to do it again. I thought about a DE filter but I was not going to pay $150 for one so I made this one for about $10 and extra parts.
When it is finished I throw the floss away, rinse the container out and use it about once every two months now. The bag will last for over a year too.
Hope this helps someone else out.
