Ginger works with ich... Every time I use it
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The sculpin
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Day 4 fish looks worse than ever. I am going to stick with it for at least one more week.
The sculpin
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Mixing equal measures with frozen food and feeding 2.5 ml twice a day
Hey Adam,
If a fish goes from high specific gravity to low specific gravity, it needs to export fewer ions and can adapt just by drinking more
I think you meant to say less. Water with higher sg causes some water to diffuse out of the fish which then drinks copiously and passes centrated urine. It doesn't need to drink as much at lower sg or push it's renal function into high gear . Freshwater fish also have an sg around 1.08 or so ; they pee alot and drink little.
If a fish goes from high specific gravity to low specific gravity, it needs to export fewer ions and can adapt just by drinking more
I think you meant to say less. Water with higher sg causes some water to diffuse out of the fish which then drinks copiously and passes centrated urine. It doesn't need to drink as much at lower sg or push it's renal function into high gear . Freshwater fish also have an sg around 1.08 or so ; they pee alot and drink little.
vitz
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neither ginger, nor garlic, are cures for ich. there's absolutely NO evidence proving that either works, or is a 'cure'
all incidences of 'cures' attributed to these two items are pure anecdotal observations relying on coincidence as causality. using cyst drop off alone as a sign for any type of treatment's effectiveness is useless and incorrect. if garlic and ginger were effective in the least, they'd have been used on a regular basis in commercial fish production decades ago.
think about it-something so cheap that's (supposedly) effective, that could save a hatchery millions of dollars, and no one's using it commercially? there's a reason for that. that (fish cultivation) industry invests far more into fish health and disease research than all the hobbyists on the planet combined. they have to, because it's their livelihood, not a hobby.
every so many yrs there's some new 'natural cure' being touted by some hobbyist or other. none of them has ever worked as a bona fide cure for ich. not garlic, nor ginger.
what's most discouraging to is the subsequent 'bandwagon jumping' that goes on, where gobs of noobs then start wasting their time on fools' errands, instead of using tried and true methods that are really uber easy to use and follow, with near perfect results every time. sets back alot of folks, and to an extent, the advance of the hobby.
but if anyone wants to believe that ginger or garlic cures ich, or the tooth fairy, no one will be able to convince them that they're delusional
all incidences of 'cures' attributed to these two items are pure anecdotal observations relying on coincidence as causality. using cyst drop off alone as a sign for any type of treatment's effectiveness is useless and incorrect. if garlic and ginger were effective in the least, they'd have been used on a regular basis in commercial fish production decades ago.
think about it-something so cheap that's (supposedly) effective, that could save a hatchery millions of dollars, and no one's using it commercially? there's a reason for that. that (fish cultivation) industry invests far more into fish health and disease research than all the hobbyists on the planet combined. they have to, because it's their livelihood, not a hobby.
every so many yrs there's some new 'natural cure' being touted by some hobbyist or other. none of them has ever worked as a bona fide cure for ich. not garlic, nor ginger.
what's most discouraging to is the subsequent 'bandwagon jumping' that goes on, where gobs of noobs then start wasting their time on fools' errands, instead of using tried and true methods that are really uber easy to use and follow, with near perfect results every time. sets back alot of folks, and to an extent, the advance of the hobby.
but if anyone wants to believe that ginger or garlic cures ich, or the tooth fairy, no one will be able to convince them that they're delusional
ncjetskier
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The ginger did not work for me. Had a tang came down with Ick, mixed 3/4 teaspoon with the food, let it soak for 30 minutes then added to the tank. The ginger did not affect anything in the tank, and did not help the tang -no difference at all. RIP tang.
EddieJ
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neither ginger, nor garlic, are cures for ich. there's absolutely NO evidence proving that either works, or is a 'cure'
all incidences of 'cures' attributed to these two items are pure anecdotal observations relying on coincidence as causality. using cyst drop off alone as a sign for any type of treatment's effectiveness is useless and incorrect. if garlic and ginger were effective in the least, they'd have been used on a regular basis in commercial fish production decades ago.
think about it-something so cheap that's (supposedly) effective, that could save a hatchery millions of dollars, and no one's using it commercially? there's a reason for that. that (fish cultivation) industry invests far more into fish health and disease research than all the hobbyists on the planet combined. they have to, because it's their livelihood, not a hobby.
every so many yrs there's some new 'natural cure' being touted by some hobbyist or other. none of them has ever worked as a bona fide cure for ich. not garlic, nor ginger.
what's most discouraging to is the subsequent 'bandwagon jumping' that goes on, where gobs of noobs then start wasting their time on fools' errands, instead of using tried and true methods that are really uber easy to use and follow, with near perfect results every time. sets back alot of folks, and to an extent, the advance of the hobby.
but if anyone wants to believe that ginger or garlic cures ich, or the tooth fairy, no one will be able to convince them that they're delusional
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All these REEF SAFE cures are chased by hobbyist who "Don't want to tear apart their DT and leave it fallow". There are proven QT methods to eliminate this parasite and to keep your DT free from it. I had to pay that price for breaking my QT regimen one time. These nasty bastards are only vulnerable in their swimming stage. So think about it, your water column at that point needs to have a certain level of toxicity to kill 100 percent of them. Such as the level of copper needed to maintain a 100 percent kill rate.It's sort of like birth control, why is there no birth control pill for males?? Much easier to control one egg in a female versus killing tens of thousand sperm. That's why the fish farm industry is working on a vaccine which blocks the little ich swimmers ability to attach to a host to complete it's life cycle. Do you really think feeding garlic,ginger or some random herb is going to achieve this?
The sculpin
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Why not try what's the harm in trying?
The sculpin
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Day 5 no improvement, no symptoms in other fish.
The sculpin
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Limes cure scurvy!
No, Vitamin C treats scurvy, limes just happen to have Vitamin C in them.
You think there is no harm in trying, and for you there is no harm, but while you are trying the placebo you are ignoring the methods that are effective. No harm to you, but what about the fish?
In addition to the delay in treating the fish effectively, there may/may not be harm from the ginger itself. It contains some carbohydrates ,so it's an organic carbon source to some extent. It also is reported to have some anti bacterial effects.
I agree, lime is a source of vitamin C so it's known for preventing scurvy.
Ginger may become known for treating certain strains of ich like the HandG
variant when you are careful to use bread crumbs with it; but using it in lieu of effective treatment options provides a Grimm outlook for the ich infested fish,imo.
I agree, lime is a source of vitamin C so it's known for preventing scurvy.
Ginger may become known for treating certain strains of ich like the HandG
variant when you are careful to use bread crumbs with it; but using it in lieu of effective treatment options provides a Grimm outlook for the ich infested fish,imo.
The sculpin
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Well my own experiment says ginger does nothing. I noticed all my fish were not as eager to eat when Ginger is used. I stopped the ginger today. I am going to try another in tank trick today using RODI water. It won't "cure it" but I believe it helps a severely infected fish fight back.
The sculpin
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Still baffled why only one fish out of nine shows symptoms.
BoricuaMojao
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Honestly, and by no means intending to offend, I am still baffled by your reticence to recognize what you really need to do for your fish.
Would you let your dog/cat/kid run around full of ticks knowing that they will eventually get to a point of infection to kill them, yet you keep trying things not proven to help?
The sculpin
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Mostly cuz tearing down my tank is not an option, and I have had fish with Ich in the past and can't remember actually loosing any to it, my fish loses came from bad LFS advice in the beginning and jumpers from my old tank. All my fish have been with me for over two years. One of my fears is that I will loose other fish do to the stress of the tear down. When at this point I only have one fish showing symptom and has for two weeks. Honestly I think due to my poor set up in my last tank (which was the last time I saw ich) I accidentally saved a Ich covered fish, I did not have a auto top off system so every morning I dumped 1 qt of water in the tank when I fed with the pumps off the fresh water doesn't mix right away and the fish swam through the fresh water every morning while they fed, couple weeks went buy and symptoms went away and never came back, fast forward a year set up new tank added a red scooter blenny and now flame angle that I have had for ever looks sugar coated.
The sculpin
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Honestly looking for an answer to the question. Why only one fish has spots.
BoricuaMojao
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My guess (I admit I have learned about ich strictly by reading) is that the others are in better health to fight the infection.
The sculpin
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When my fish get over this infection I will quarantine EVERYTHING in the future. That is still the best "cure". I am curious if my fish go symptom free for...let's say 6 months, then quarantine new fish maybe treat with copper, then add to my tank without a fallow period will infection show back up? I just can't tear my tank down without doing damage to my corals.
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