Ginger works with ich... Every time I use it
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The sculpin
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Is it true you must have fish in your reef or coals will suffer?
Decadence
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Not to sound too much like PualB here, but I will never understand how marine ich can be so widely accepted as a big problem. If a fish succumbs to ich, it is due to its immune system being unable to fight off the parasite. The simple solution is to do everything in your power to reduce the stress on the fish.
The sculpin
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I agree that some fish handle it and others don't. Example In humans is if get bit by a mosquito it's no big deal. My little daughter gets bit by a mosquito it leaves a quarter sized welt and takes weeks to go away. The big problem. We actually build a perfect environment for the parasite to thrive. There has to be a way to weaken the parasite and strengthen the fish without destroying the reef.
Megatrev62
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Don't listen to me, but I had ich 12 years ago. Picked up a tomato clown and put it in a well established 75 gallon. Next day the clown was covered in the cysts. I got a 5 gallon from a buddy and treated that fish with greenex for one week. No spots so put the fish back in. Never saw any signs of ich whatsoever for the almost two years I had it until sold. Don't know what that's about.
Megatrev62
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Just wanted to add. Those were the days when you had your canister full of media and in particular sponge. Yes live rock was there but absolutely no understanding that it was the most important part of the filtration.
vitz
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/facepalm
er-no it doesn't-not in the manner/method you're using/describing.
you might imagine that's what happening-but you're making nothing but unfounded (and incorrect) assumptions based on what you *think* it is you see
vitz
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it isn't so much a matter of the fish'e immune system not functioning properly...
in the wild, ich has a VERY hard time spreading-usually because its free swimming stage can overcome only so much distance looking for another fish-most are either too far away to get attached to, or the current direction is all wrong. most healthy fish have to deal w/maybe a few cysts, and that's it-that's most likely what their immune systems are designed to handle.
(think of it like sneezing when you have a cold, and you're 50 ft away from someone else-the chances of YOU infecting them from that far of a distance is highly unlikely)
in a closed system, it's just the opposite-the ich's 'worms' (flagellated protozoans) are able to reach a HUGE population density in the water column. (and your fish have no avenue for avoiding them-there's a constant assault on their gills and skin).
NO fish's immune system is evolved for that specific scenario-so using a closed system's observable events is not a reflection of how well a fish's immune system is working-for most fish that get ich,even if their immune system is working exactly as it should be, it's simply not able to handle the mass attack.
think of it like being in a 15x15' sealed room w/ 50 people w/the flu- no matter how healthy you are, and no matter how good yer immune system is functioning-it's more than likely that upon constant exposure to a constant, high concentration of flu virri, that you will also get sick.
even if you get better, until you address what's going on in that room, you will likely keep getting sick-maybe not right away, maybe not next week-but the odds aren't in your favor
vitz
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vitz
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the biggest travesty here, is that the correct information on correct treatments then get pushed aside when one clueless (sorry for the word, but it's a perfect fit) hobbyist then touts some bs 'method' as 'the truth' to other clueless hobbyists who don't have the tools yet, to make a distinction between a fool's errand, and a 'chore' w/a true and positive payoff.
this has been going on for decades, not just w/ ich issues, and all it does is set back the hobby's advancement, along w/ wasting our hobby's natural resources by killing them in droves for no good reason at all. try to imagine how many fish get trashed daily in this country alone because of ich (well, actually because of misinformed hobbyists). it's sad, and completely unnecessary.
Allmost
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/facepalm
er-no it doesn't-not in the manner/method you're using/describing.
you might imagine that's what happening-but you're making nothing but unfounded (and incorrect) assumptions based on what you *think* it is you see
and you are not doing anything to help him understand the actual procedure ...
BoricuaMojao
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nevermind
vitz
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quite the contrary-part of understanding the correct procedure is understanding what ISN'T correct procedure and why-many others (and to a lesser extent, myself) have dropped info bombs in this thread, and many others.
the fact that some individuals participate in this thread w/out ever having read the exiting stickies on ich in the gr forum, or read it, w/out really paying attention to what it is their reading, indicates that these individuals DON'T want to learn.
and i've (and others) dropped plenty of info on this very thread here as well, for anyone who's willing to actually force themselves to THINK about what it is that's actually posted, and then act accordingly.
your point is specious.
The sculpin
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Most important thing to me is my fish appear to be improving at least visually for what ever reason, spots are gone and rapid breathing has stopped, so I'll keep doing what I'm doing and if any one is interested let me know.
Allmost
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quite the contrary-part of understanding the correct procedure is understanding what ISN'T correct procedure and why-many others (and to a lesser extent, myself) have dropped info bombs in this thread, and many others.
the fact that some individuals participate in this thread w/out ever having read the exiting stickies on ich in the gr forum, or read it, w/out really paying attention to what it is their reading, indicates that these individuals DON'T want to learn.
and i've (and others) dropped plenty of info on this very thread here as well, for anyone who's willing to actually force themselves to THINK about what it is that's actually posted, and then act accordingly.
your point is specious.
what are you saying vits ....
what I said was, your post are useless ... if he is wrong, then correct him and offer help.
or we can just all ignore u ...
u have some good points, and if you actually read this thread, me and you are on same page ... but you are offering no help. just offending posters.... tell them why they are wrong, and show the correct path ... if he doesnt follow it, some Newb reading this in 2 years might ...
The sculpin
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Without reef central I wouldn't be in this hobby. Learn something every day here I thank you all. Even from cranky critics. Lol One thing about me is I will never stop saying "what if" it's how I learn.
vitz
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i'm not here to coddle anyone, or play to infantile (yes, infantile) 'hurt' emotions here. if people can't take some cold hard truth presented as such, and then ACT on it, it's not really of concern to me. i certainly won't play to such coddling when the poster i'm answering is insistent on being ignorant
i'm not here to 'make anyone's day' (unless my knowledge/experience helping them to figger out an issue is what makes their day
. in fact, i know that most of what i post does just the opposite-mostly because people take personal offense when someone who knows better tells them they're wrong, even when explaining why. 99% of the time that's all they care about, and will not even consider reading WHY they're wrong, because 'someone hurt their feelings'.most folks are simply looking for something that will re-enforce their own confirmation bias, not for the truth. the truth has been out there since the '50's-'60's, at the latest the early '70's. the very fact that people are still even discussing ich is a testament to the points i make above.
maybe people should look more at the content of the message, rather than of their own interpretations of someone's style or tone ? (ad hominem 'attacks' excepted, of course) :idea:
i've been dealing w/ this 'self imposed lack of knowledge' for many many years among the 'hobbyist public', and it's getting very very old. it seems like no one born after 1970 is capable of taking 10 minutes to do proper research and use the critical thinking necessary/needed to actually solve a problem 'correctly'.
no one should respect either that attitude, or behavior, imo. it has absolutely NO value to anyone- especially on a disease treatment thread.
back on the ginger topic- while it's certainly possible for some terrestrial organism to have within its 'goody bag' an arsenal applicable to aquatic life, my personal hunch is that it's far more likely to be found within some other aquatic organism. (make far more sense to my way of thinking-which admittedly might be totally incorrect, hehe)
Allmost
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i'm not here to coddle anyone, or play to infantile (yes, infantile) 'hurt' emotions here. if people can't take some cold hard truth presented as such, and then ACT on it, it's not really of concern to me. i certainly won't play to such coddling when the poster i'm answering is insistent on being ignorant
i'm not here to 'make anyone's day' (unless my knowledge/experience helping them to figger out an issue is what makes their day
most folks are simply looking for something that will re-enforce their own confirmation bias, not for the truth. the truth has been out there since the '50's-'60's, at the latest the early '70's. the very fact that people are still even discussing ich is a testament to the points i make above.
maybe people should look more at the content of the message, rather than of their own interpretations of someone's style or tone ? (ad hominem 'attacks' excepted, of course) :idea:
i've been dealing w/ this 'self imposed lack of knowledge' for many many years among the 'hobbyist public', and it's getting very very old. it seems like no one born after 1970 is capable of taking 10 minutes to do proper research and use the critical thinking necessary/needed to actually solve a problem 'correctly'.
no one should respect either that attitude, or behavior, imo. it has absolutely NO value to anyone- especially on a disease treatment thread.
back on the ginger topic- while it's certainly possible for some terrestrial organism to have within its 'goody bag' an arsenal applicable to aquatic life, my personal hunch is that it's far more likely to be found within some other aquatic organism. (make far more sense to my way of thinking-which admittedly might be totally incorrect, hehe)
LOL !
how are you helping this posted by posting this :
"/facepalm
er-no it doesn't-not in the manner/method you're using/describing.
you might imagine that's what happening-but you're making nothing but unfounded (and incorrect) assumptions based on what you *think* it is you see "
LOL its nap time for someone ...
The sculpin
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i'm not here to coddle anyone, or play to infantile (yes, infantile) 'hurt' emotions here. if people can't take some cold hard truth presented as such, and then ACT on it, it's not really of concern to me. i certainly won't play to such coddling when the poster i'm answering is insistent on being ignorant
i'm not here to 'make anyone's day' (unless my knowledge/experience helping them to figger out an issue is what makes their day
most folks are simply looking for something that will re-enforce their own confirmation bias, not for the truth. the truth has been out there since the '50's-'60's, at the latest the early '70's. the very fact that people are still even discussing ich is a testament to the points i make above.
maybe people should look more at the content of the message, rather than of their own interpretations of someone's style or tone ? (ad hominem 'attacks' excepted, of course) :idea:
i've been dealing w/ this 'self imposed lack of knowledge' for many many years among the 'hobbyist public', and it's getting very very old. it seems like no one born after 1970 is capable of taking 10 minutes to do proper research and use the critical thinking necessary/needed to actually solve a problem 'correctly'.
no one should respect either that attitude, or behavior, imo. it has absolutely NO value to anyone- especially on a disease treatment thread.
back on the ginger topic- while it's certainly possible for some terrestrial organism to have within its 'goody bag' an arsenal applicable to aquatic life, my personal hunch is that it's far more likely to be found within some other aquatic organism. (make far more sense to my way of thinking-which admittedly might be totally incorrect, hehe)
The name calling helps!!! COME ON! This is just guys or girls sitting around talking about their hobby and bouncing ideas around, No one is claiming they have a cure just an idea and personal experience to share. Don't like it.. Don't read it. geeze
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