Ginger works with ich... Every time I use it

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Your probably right but, maybe it's what I feed? Probably a combination of food over sized skimmer, filter socks, high flow a light bio load and luck! but my fish are spot free.. For now let's see what happens in about 4 days... it may explode on me. I hope not.
 
TankCla said:
Wow, guys, don't make it personal. This was and still is a ginger topic. I think vitz needs to calm down, no need to get high blood pressure over this, and The sculpin accept that what you are doing with RO stream is like ****ing against the wind.
For any parasite to react to FW dips, the fish has to be in FW for more than a few seconds, until everything mixes FW+SW. Maybe this method worked because you lowered the salinity, adding FW, not because you gentle wash them with freshwater.

I have a ich problem with my tang. QT is out of the question for me (we are expecting) and my wife is giving me S%@# already for spending too much time with the tank.

The blue tang is the only one affected, and I have it for over a month. For me treating with ginger for 2 weeks, didn't work. Ginger is a hoax. Now I am working on food. I already started feeding it good food (rich in protein, vitamins) and I added metronidazole to prevent infections. I am trying to increase the fish immune system.

I added the tang to my system on Sept 20th, and nothing died since, of ich of course. In the last few days since I stopped garlic and ginger, and concentrated on tang target feeding with only metro, the looks clean.

My tank has strong water currents and a good filtering system. Tank has designed for SPS. This might be another reason the white spots on the fish were diminishing day by day, and a cleaner shrimp with big balls (lucky me).

I will continue this journey and keep you posted.

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vitz there is no need to be so rude. I respect your experience (you could be like my father, even like my grandfather), but there is no need to make such "smart mouth" remarks. I know you want the world to recognize your knowledge and experience, and you are right 50% of the hobbyists have no idea about marine chemistry, but to say that no one born after 1970 can take 10 minutes to do proper searching, is too much.
You mustn't forget, we invented the internet you are searching on, while generation 60's-70's was celebrating Woodstock.
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if you took my statement as rude, it's because YOU read into it an intent that isn't there. i still stand by that statement.

i'm perfectly calm-how RUDE of you to suggest otherwise (see what i did there? ) ;)
 
You mustn't forget, we invented the internet you are searching on, while generation 60's-70's was celebrating Woodstock.

This is not genrational. For my part I was serving in the military during Woodstock,many of us were and were using and developing applications for early computers too.

There still misconceptions on this thread mostly stemming from a lack of understanding abut how this parasite functions.
There is very good information in the fish disease forum. There is ls also an interesting thread on efforts to use chloquine phospahte for in tank treatments which may prove promising. Understand the enemy before shooting in the dark.


All fish that survive an initial infestation get visably better after 10 days or so as the parasites leave them and their wounds heal up.Assumptions of cure from garlic , ro water, ginger ,herbs,etc. follow ; when in fact a second infestation will be more virulent and massive often leading to death.
Some fish develop a partial immunity after the intial exposure and the ich does not present visable symptoms but still supports the parasite in lesser numbers in it's softer more vulnerable tissue( gills, nose ,mouth). A minor stress event like a small rise in temperature or a new fish can cause a new outbreak that can overwhelm even the partially immune fish.
If you choose to leave ich in your tank and hope to cope with it a constant risk of an outbreak remains. Some of the scenarios reported here demonstrate that.

If you are successful in keeping survivng fish with partial immunity alive for a year or two or more and don't put any new fish in the tank for the parsites to attack a single strain of ich may expire witout an opportunity for sexual reproduction. One study and only one of which I am aware ,documented a single strain expiring in 11 months.
Unfortunately, many strains go longer. It took me about 2 years before it was completrly gone. It will be gone after 72 days in a fishless tank. It can be kept away bvia rgorous adherence to quarantine and preventative treatment.

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added metronidazole to prevent infections.

wouldn't use that antibiotic in a reef tank, personally.
 
It is in small dosage only in food. I keep my measurements under control, I know it can disturb bacteria in the rock.

from a lack of understanding abut how this parasite functions
I think everybody know how this parasite works and how deadly it is. Problem here, including myself, is we like to use shortcuts and not to do the right way. I am not a kid, :), and I admit, what ever I am doing right now with this ich, it will come and bite me in the a@#. Sooner or later I will have another outbreak or my fish will die.


Off topic: tmz, you saw my point. No good in generalizing. As for vitz lawn, I promise I will not trim it anymore. :P
 
it's pathetic when the only response to the cold hard truth is met w/ nothing better than a childish retort of an ad hominem nature <sigh>
 
vitz said:
it's pathetic when the only response to the cold hard truth is met w/ nothing better than a childish retort of an ad hominem nature <sigh>
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You don't need to be so angry is the point, this is suppose to be a fun learning and sharing experience.
 
I think this got out of our hands. Please, lets get back to ich and ginger.

Off topic: usually guys in their 50's are more docile
 
Claud,
The antibiotic might also disturb coral symbiont bacteria; perhaps even zooxanthelae. Don't know for sure.

You might know but ,I don't think most of the folks on this thread know how cryptocaryon works or how common and deadly it is as evident in some of the responses.
 
Ginger, not good with ich. I can tell that from my own experience. You can try it if you want. For me it was waste of time.
For the guys with "I told you so!": I don't buy <<stick to the proven medication>>
I need facts. Now I have them.
In history almost everything was discovered by accident, chocolate chips cookies, artificial sweetener, LSD...
 
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