Group Buy - Ozone Setup

Qwiv-


"I have also heard bad things about the Enaly Ozone Generator. Messes up X10 controllers. Makes the speakers in the house buzz, etc. Still does crazy stuff when you put one of those signal cancelers on the circuit too. It does work with the Milwaukee ORP Controller however so you don't need to worry to much about an overdose. "

Can you please direct all of us to where you found this information?

Marc
 
So what's the difference between putting it through a "reactor' (ie some container) and a skimmer? If you go the reactor route would you also need an additional water pump to move water through this? (or simply bring an overflow pipe to it?) If you run it through a skimmer would you just replace the venturi input with the output to the generator? or do you stick a hose into the skimmer body with an airstone?
 
You'd use the water outflow of the container. The water and ozone mix, and you only allow a smaller amount of that water to enter the main system. I'd put the overflow/outflow right next to you skimmer input so it would suck all the ozone mixed water that came out ;) AMybe I can get Chris to explain this better :D
 
I think you would want to either draw the ozonized water into the skimmer as Gresham suggests or have the ozone injected into the skimmer itself. The ozone is what breaks up the organics and bacteria in the water; and you would want those compounds to immediately get skimmed out; and the ozone to be aerated out as much as possible.

Can the Enaly unit be purchased separate from the controller?
 
Marc Daniels said:
Qwiv-


"I have also heard bad things about the Enaly Ozone Generator. Messes up X10 controllers. Makes the speakers in the house buzz, etc. Still does crazy stuff when you put one of those signal cancelers on the circuit too. It does work with the Milwaukee ORP Controller however so you don't need to worry to much about an overdose. "

Can you please direct all of us to where you found this information?

Marc

I can't comment on the speaker buzzing part, but the below is about where the discussion came up about it not playing well with the aquacontroller and x-10.

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=517084&perpage=25&pagenumber=17
 
If you run it through a skimmer would you just replace the venturi input with the output to the generator? or do you stick a hose into the skimmer body with an airstone?

You would add a tee (i'm actually planning on using this Y and silicone tubing) to the skimmer's airline where one end is the ozone feed and the other is fresh air.. the venturi should create a vacuum that pulls down the ozone into the skimmer..

here's a list of ozone compatible materials

Marc.. how does the buy look so far? have we met the requirement yet?
 
Huy, we are at 7 units so far. So, we should have no problem hitting 10. The only reason that I set the cut off out so far is that my wife is home on leave, and we'll be in/out of town quite a bit.

Marc
 
My god, let there be ozone.

My god, let there be ozone.

Marc Daniels: Follow the link I posted below and any links atached to that thread. Most of my internet research started there and through google. The remainder is in books around the house.
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showt...e=&pagenumber=1
raddogz found the x10 interference in the thread but it is a long thread so your on your own to find the speaker discussion.

sfsuphysics
The reactor is for those who do not have a skimmer or a non-ozone safe/convenient skimmer. The reactor is basically a skimmer without a collection cup. They are more efficient than skimmers because you can adjust the contact time to be optimal for ozone and not skimmer performance. If you have a cheap skimmer, it may not be ozone compatable. Ozone will destroy some materials. The reactor is also good with those with euroreef skimmers. Since you really should put carbon inline after the ozone reactor, and the design of the euroreef does not make that easy since the water exits the skimmer form a vertical pipe where the sponge is, a reactor may be needed as I don't know where you can put the carbon to date. I am working on a mod to my euroreef before I even think about ozone as i don't want a reactor but i am curently at a loss. Anyone know of one??

You really should use carbon even though many will argue with it, stating the half-life of ozone in tank water is a matter of seconds. The ozone isn't the problem, it is the chemicals that ozone can create in the tank that can be a problem. Ozone basically breaks c=c bonds. This chemical reaction can result in some bad chemicals that I feel should be removed. It has been a while, but I think bromine, which is common in out water, can become a hazzard, for example. It is the breaking of these double bonds that makes your water clearer, because with this bond broken the skimmer will remove the chemical. These are mostly disolved organics from what I have read, but does not apply to every chemical where the bond has been broken.

Carbon can be used where air exits the skimmer/reactor if you are sensitive to the ozone spell in the air.

I have only been researching ozone for about a month now, so I am probably off on some of the info, but it is the best I have so far. I think I am going to buy he millwalkee unit in a few months as it is variable and I already have an ACII as a controller. As for the life of the probes. They need to be cleaned regularly. Calcium deposits need to be removed frequently to preserve accuracy. They should last longer than a year. The good part is they tend to read the ORP high over time so an overdose is not a problem.
 
So Marc how long after the cut off date will it take to get these guys to your house? Will they be on a cargo ship slowing trucking from China or what? :)
 
In all the RC posts regarding people using the Enaly generators, I could only find a single person stating that it caused their speakers to buzz. I also did exhaustive Google & Yahoo searches and didn't find any additional claims. I also could not find anything regarding signal cancelers not working to stop the buzz. Unless you have additional information in the books around your home, I am having a hard time placing much creibility into a single claim.

As for the AquaController and X10 issues, I appreciate you bringing these problems to light since I was not aware of them. I think every person I came across tryign to use either X10 or the AquaController units were having problems. But, what I did find was that almost every person using the Enaly generator with the Milwaukee controller were happy with the results.

On antoher note, I did find numerous people that were not happy with the life expectancy of their $200 & $300 ozone untis. But could not find a single case of the Enaly unit failing. I know the Enaly unit hasn't been in use long enough for a true test of its dependability, and only time can tell.

For $30, I'm more than willing to give it a try. Also, since I'm running an ASM skimmer, I will be using mine with an ozone reactor.

Ozone is dangeous when used incorrectly, and there is information out there showing where ozone has wiped out entire tanks...but there are also many cases of other things being used incorrectly that wiped out tanks. Kalkwasser, Calcium Reactors, auto top off units, and the list goes on and on. What it comes down to is simply whether or not ozone is right for the individual aquarist. I have time to tinker with my tank every day, and to make sure that carbon gets changed regulalry. People that don't have this luxury should probably stay away from ozone.

Well, that's my 2 centavos.

Marc
 
I know I am not part of your reef club, but wanted to say that I have the Enaly generator (received it direct from China within a week) and have the Milwaukee controller. I love this system! I have had no interference whatsoever--but then I do not run X10, etc.

What I can say is that I had dinoflagellates bad and thought I was going to lose everything. They were gone within a week. Incredible, cheap ozone system.

Feel free to PM me if you have more detailed questions.
 
I know you dont want to ship but.........if you would be willing to throw all this stuff in a priority mail $7.70 box, I would sure like to get one, of course will pay for the shipping also. thanks
 
Okay, last week to get in on the deal before we order. We have exceeded 10 units so this is certainly going forward.
Marc
 
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