Hawaiian Reefers

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8444288#post8444288 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by RGBMatt
Are you guys sure "laupapa" means reef? From looking it up, it appears to be a general word for "broad, flat region".

Also, IIRC the adjective should go after the noun. If it does indeed mean "reef", "laupapa huna" would be more accurate.

Although the idea of a club sounds fun, discussing illegal activities in a public forum may not be a wise idea. If you are poaching corals or smuggling them into Hawaii, you are breaking the law and there are people who will prosecute you if they are aware of your actions.
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I will leave the translation up to all you Polynesian language experts. However, from what I have read so far, no one on here has broken the law. Just want to organize and get the proper information so we don't inadvertently break the law. Oh yea, and to have a BBQ and drink some beers!!!
Worst case we get a DNR, DAR or DOA person on here to help us weed through the red tape and maybe help us out.

Ed
 
I have an auuuuu-thentic Hawaiian dictionary that says "laupapa" means reef. :)

But I also agree that adjectives come after the noun (though I can't find any proof - I have a vague recollection of this) - so like pactrop said, I think "Hawai'i Laupapa Huna" sounds good.

And nobody's talking about doing anything illegal - we could develop our own live rock cultures for instance and would be a worthwhile way for us to support ecologically friendly reefing. And like others have said, it's a good excuse to kick back and have some beers. :D

Spleen
 
Lets make November 18 official... Saturday at 1400. We'll make it pot luck so everyone bring there fav. dish. I'll bust out the grill and make good 'ol fashion Milwaukee Brats! ...now if I just had some pull tab Blatz we'd be in there.

Don
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8448854#post8448854 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by spleen93
And nobody's talking about doing anything illegal - we could develop our own live rock cultures for instance and would be a worthwhile way for us to support ecologically friendly reefing. And like others have said, it's a good excuse to kick back and have some beers. :D
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No worries :) It just seemed like some posters early on in the thread were pretty cavalier about mentioning their imported corals!

Although there are valid reasons for all of Hawaii's anti-reef tank laws, IMO they are a little excessive. You never know - if Hawaiian reef enthusiasts can get organized, we might be able to change the system a bit.

It may be possible an aquarium club to obtain permits for research/education/aquaculture if it's a "nonprofit educational organization" or something like that. It wouldn't hurt to look into it.
 
I agree... Roll221 and I were talking about just that. A well organized group could be influential enough for the DLNR to consider an exception for exlusive club members. It IS absolutley worth looking into.

Hey, who has experience with spotted hawkfish? are they happy with prepared foods or will they go for tank inhabitants?

Thanks,
Don
 
The spotted hawkfish (C. pinnulatus or P. forsteri?) may go for smaller fish (mouth size) but you could proably get them to eat krill or something. Get some larger live shrimp and they will love that.

As far as the DAR/DLNR, I too think the current laws have a noble purpose. Those laws are quite unclear though and we should be able to responsibly propogate certain species. Aquaculture has huge potential in Hawaii and we should be able to manage a sustainable existance here.

As far as those people that already suggested they have species that are currently prohibited, I would advise the greatest of caution both for our native reefs and for yourself. Malama (look it up).
 
I will go ahead and contact the Mods to get a forum setup in the Reef Club Forums section of RC. Everyone PM me with suggestions on our blurb explaining our new forum ie... "Responsible Hawaiian Reefkeepers, promoting legal, ethical reefkeeping on the Islands" something like that.

Ed
 
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Hey guys! I will be visiting my grandparents in Feb. on Kauai at Poipu. I thought it would be cool to bring some critters home so I contacted DLNR about collecting. Here is the respose to my email:

If you are using a small meshed (less than 2 inches mesh) hand net of less than three feet, including the handle, to collect the aquarium fish, and the fish are not collected for sale, no permit is required. A hand net larger than three feet, will require an aquarium permit. 1) what will you be using to collect the animals (what kind of gear)? 2) Are the animals to be collected for sale?

You should check with the equivalent of the Division of Aquatic Resources in your home state to see if they have restrictions on importing animals. There may be an alien species concern. You should also check with the airlines for their shipping requirements. Live animals for export are usually not a problem as long as they are not illegal.

You may not collect or transport any animals that are unlawful to take in Hawaii. Transporting illegal animals across state lines is a federal and state offense. The regulations can be found at www.hawaii.gov/dlnr/dar. Click the regulations button. Let me know if you have any questions.

Alton Miyasaka
Biologist
Division of Aquatic Resources
Department of Land and Natural Resources
State of Hawaii

So like someone has already mentioned, most inverts are fine to collect as well as fish.
 
So the meeting is at 1400=2:00pm yah
i dont know wuti could bring cause i cant really cook anything
is this gonna be an official club or just a get together kinda thing?
like monthly or yearly fees for donations to buy things as prizes or sumthing like that
my uncle in cali is in BAR (bay area reefers) and the pay fees yearly and get like door prizes at monthly meetings or frag swaps and i though we could do something similar to make it more fun
we should become a part of MASNA too
i like the club name
sounds nice
 
Don - you gonna tell us WHERE to go for this meeting/get-together at 2 PM on 11/18?? :D

Hmmm ... what to bring. Maybe some meat jun ...

Spleen
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8455364#post8455364 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Nano_reeflover
Hey guys! I will be visiting my grandparents in Feb. on Kauai at Poipu. I thought it would be cool to bring some critters home so I contacted DLNR about collecting.
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I just got back from Hawaii (Honolulu) and brought some live fish over to the mainland as well but here are the rules from United Air and TSA. All fish must be double bagged in a styrophone box. Then the styrophone box must be in a cardboard box. Make sure its under 50lbs and not more than the standard luggage size of your airline. TSA will probably open the box but they will reseal the box for you which is good because their tape was stronger than mines. They even put some stickers on the box "Live Animals" and "UP" so the baggage handlers can take caution. When I landed at my airport the fish were the first luggage off the plane 30 minutes earlier than the rest of passangers luggage. The fish went through the Hawaii Agriculture X-ray and the TSA X-ray with no problems.
 
I was visiting my Grandma on the Big Island a couple years ago. There was some small schools of Owama (sp) so we were fishing for them. After a while I got bored and I caught 3 morish idols and 2 convict tangs with a small net and my hands. The water was really shallow and you can trap them in tide pools. I let them go after a minute or so. It was good fun though.

Can't you guys buy off people here and have them ship it to you?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8457423#post8457423 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by cthetoy
I just got back from Hawaii (Honolulu) and brought some live fish over to the mainland as well but here are the rules from United Air and TSA. All fish must be double bagged in a styrophone box. Then the styrophone box must be in a cardboard box. Make sure its under 50lbs and not more than the standard luggage size of your airline. TSA will probably open the box but they will reseal the box for you which is good because their tape was stronger than mines. They even put some stickers on the box "Live Animals" and "UP" so the baggage handlers can take caution. When I landed at my airport the fish were the first luggage off the plane 30 minutes earlier than the rest of passangers luggage. The fish went through the Hawaii Agriculture X-ray and the TSA X-ray with no problems.
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Thanks for the info! Now I'm even more excited to get over there are go snorkeling/ collecting.
 
There is an art to collecting. Amateurs should not try to collect wild animals. Amateur collecting practices will result in many broken corals and stressed out fish. You may also receive some painful wounds , infections or even kill yourself. Palythoas from Hawaii contain the most dangerous natural poison know to man.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8450735#post8450735 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by pactrop
Roll221 are you going to set up our own area to post?
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Yes, just waiting for the Mods to approve and create it.

Ed
 
Just tagging along, going to college on ohau and was pumped to hear about the possibilities of a reef club.
BTW I have a 5 gallon biotope in my dorm.
 
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