Help finding old link relating cycling and fish

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hotwire73

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There was an article sometime last year or a poll I think that alot of people placed there opinions in relating which salt water fish could handle a cycle. If anyone has any links to anything related to this please forward or post for me please. Im having to split tanks and I no some of these guys won't make a cycle. Presently I have a black lion, 2 emp angels, niger trigger, powder blue surgeon, pearlscale butterfly, 3 very retarded mandarin gobys (DRAGONETTES), that I could care less for at this point, a stars and strips dogface puffer, marine betta, and one shark egg. The niger and blk lion and powder blue are all 4 or a little over, everyone else is basically in the 3 area with the exceptions of the gobys. I would like to have the blk lion, niger, puffer, and the gobys in the cycling tank since there just meat eaters that leave little mess. As for the gobys its just because they dont exactly get ick to easy due to there skin. Now I do know the dogface is probably going to be a bad idea since he's like an ick magnet. But any suggestions would be great. No flamming, I cant learn if I dont ask. But any links would be great. Thanks in advance...
This is only leave me the 2 emp. juv. angels, the egg, pearlscale, and powderblue in the main tank. I dont have to put them all over there but would be nice to give them more breathing room till I can get my larger system back in the house.
 
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Also I am using one of the filters from the old aquarium since it was an extra anyway. This is going to help a little in the cycle. Currently the ammonia levels are .5 after about 3-4 days, 0 nitrates, around 5 nitrates. I also just added 35 pounds live rock to the new tank as well today.
 
Well scratch one emp. juv angel; he got caught in part of the intake tube for the powerhead. I often wondered if 530gph for a powerhead was a little excessive.
Anyway any ideas or leads???
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12666369#post12666369 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by demonsp
Just because any fish can survive a cycle doesnt mean it should . Its crule and will only slow the cycle down.

http://saltaquarium.about.com/cs/bionitrogencycle/a/aa073199.htm
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As you are probably aware with your experience--the nitrates won't bother the fish but an ammonia spike will.
I don't have thread links for you but I can state that the common conception around here is that you don't use fish to cycle your tank
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12666406#post12666406 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by capn_hylinur
As you are probably aware with your experience--the nitrates won't bother the fish but an ammonia spike will.
I don't have thread links for you but I can state that the common conception around here is that you don't use fish to cycle your tank
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Ok the link given is just a basic cycle. Like I said Im using an existing cycled filtration on the new tank setup. With it I added a new filter system all together to help it. Now the water is the only real thing that is totally new, but with the ammonia up some its obvious the filter from the older tank can not fully support it. This is why Im asking which fish would be best to put over there that can take it. If anything gets to critical I can move them back to the main tank. I was at least hoping to move the blk lion over. But I do recall a poll I believe last year about what people have had success in while cycling.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12666717#post12666717 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by hotwire73
Ok the link given is just a basic cycle. Like I said Im using an existing cycled filtration on the new tank setup. With it I added a new filter system all together to help it. Now the water is the only real thing that is totally new, but with the ammonia up some its obvious the filter from the older tank can not fully support it. This is why Im asking which fish would be best to put over there that can take it. If anything gets to critical I can move them back to the main tank. I was at least hoping to move the blk lion over. But I do recall a poll I believe last year about what people have had success in while cycling.
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the answer to your question is no fish can really not be stressed out with rising levels of ammonia

Why the need to move any fish over--let them stay in the established tank until the new tank has cycled. If you are using previously curred live rock then probably in a week you will be ok
 
K I meant 0 nitrites earlier instead of posting nitrates twice. Not really sure what your question about the filter was meaning. Anyway the filtration Im using from the older tank was just basically a sponge, foam block looking thing. Its 9.75*4*4, Its sole purpose orginally was bio. Now I didnt use any other filter medium or carbon with this unit. Originally I was trying to bring nitrates down on the main tank years ago. It actually did its job and has kept them around 5 ppm. Maybe I was just lucky. Well this is what Ive got on the new tank and just added a emporer 400 with bio wheels. Figuring this is making the ammonia, and the older filter is trying to convert. I dont know this is why Im here. As long as the ammonia doesn't go any higher I think it's somewhat safe, and going to be better than my crowded main tank. Bottom line is Im trying to expand because theres to many in the main tank. I could never get a clear cut answer in what really happens when you use an existing cycled filter system from one tank on another one. So far it seems its going to be a balance issue.
 
k tks capn. Yes the live rock was established in their system for 3 months, but it didnt have any growth on it. It wasnt placed in lighting it was basically I guess used in the main sump of the system where it got little light. The rock has a lot of red on it, but not like any kind of red algae. I really dont much of a clue on live rock, I just know I bought it out of their system as such. They did just place it in a foam container where it sat in transit for 4 hours. It wasnt like bone dry, but didn't seem to damp either when I got it out. Yes I actually picked the pulled the rock out of their system.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12666853#post12666853 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by hotwire73
K I meant 0 nitrites earlier instead of posting nitrates twice. Not really sure what your question about the filter was meaning. Anyway the filtration Im using from the older tank was just basically a sponge, foam block looking thing. Its 9.75*4*4, Its sole purpose orginally was bio. Now I didnt use any other filter medium or carbon with this unit. Originally I was trying to bring nitrates down on the main tank years ago. It actually did its job and has kept them around 5 ppm. Maybe I was just lucky. Well this is what Ive got on the new tank and just added a emporer 400 with bio wheels. Figuring this is making the ammonia, and the older filter is trying to convert. I dont know this is why Im here. As long as the ammonia doesn't go any higher I think it's somewhat safe, and going to be better than my crowded main tank. Bottom line is Im trying to expand because theres to many in the main tank. I could never get a clear cut answer in what really happens when you use an existing cycled filter system from one tank on another one. So far it seems its going to be a balance issue.
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it is the curing of the new live rock that is causing the ammonia to spike
It is actually a good practise to run a filter on the main tank and then transfer it over--it will have bacteria to help break down the ammonia---many reefers do this when setting up a quarantine tank
After reading this thread over a number of times I can't see why you can't wait a week or to until the bacteria on the live rock cycles enough to take care of the ammonia. You know that the nittrogen levels are not going to hurt the fish so its a matter of waiting until the ammonia levels go down to zero
Ammonia levels can also be taken care of by water changes as needed.
 
I would not put any fish in there untill ther was zero ammonia for a period of time, So I can't make any reccomendations for any fish that can "take it"
 
K, I tested the water today right before adding the live rock and that is when it tested .5.
Now I have my powder blue, and those 3 amigo gobys in there for the past 3 days, feeing them frozen brine shrimp, formula 2, and some of this garlic extreme which is rediculiously overpriced in my opinion. But I cant blame the rock yet but I hope it may be able to kick in within a short time.
K thanks for the advice so far. Here is the problem if you can see what I have listed and its all in a 55. Thing is yes I went overboard since I know what I really want in one aquarium eventually. Thing is I thought the basic equation was 1 inch per 2 gallon max ratio. I pushed it I know, but the thing is the water was testing exceptional. No ammonia, no nitrites, and nitrates where always 10 and under; but they where just getting weaker and worse and dying. This happened back in Jan., Feb. when I lost around 800 worth in a total collapse from something like a major Ick or bacterial infection. Fresh water dips and chealted copped couldnt stop it. I had a lion survive for the last 2 weeks with his eyes crusted over bad before passing. The thing is apparently something went critically wrong but the water was testing okie dokie the whole time. I did water changes as usual. This is probably why I lost my radiatta a few days ago, along with my copperband butterfly. I just replaced those two with the marine betta and the pearlscale today. I even used things like essential elements just for the heck of it.
Thing is most people tell part of a story and not all of it This is everything I cant think of to explain fully so that hopefully someone can see what Im not; besides the overstocking part lol.
Now I also went ahead and bought somemore stres syme by api to hopefully help it a little to. Also used a bunch of stress coat which help s a little with ammonia. Now I have 8.5 ounce bottle of prime as well, but I really question using it to alter a cycle. It would seem mother nature is going to have that time of the month one way or another sometime. Since its suppose to convert it to a harmless type of ammonia I wonder if it just cycles it to a harmless nitrite lol and so on. Wishful thinking I guess,a nd seems to good to be true; so Im holding off.
 
Please slow down. After a death in a tank most wait at least a month or two prefeably three, before adding anything. After an ich outbreak, if a tank isn't kept fishless for at least six weeks any new fish will be attacked. You replaced your dead fish within days. The fish dying in your tank are doing so because they need a better more stable disease free environment.
 
Well after the last major loss I actually waited 3 months, I stated in that reply that was back in Jan. Feb. I already had these ordered when my radiatta died. Thing is it wasnt that wasnt that uncommon for him. The butterfly died but I have never had any luck with them and this pearlscale is going to be my make it or break it. Im not really showing a system ick outbreak yet, and nothing really indicating any other bacterial problems for anyone else yet (yet). But because of the recent deaths I really wanted to relieve some pressure on that tank with the newer one. The water is testing exceptional with the only soso is a 5-10 ppm nitrate which is by all means for what I have very acceptable. So I guess not enough air is crossing my mind here. Its odd you can go to a dealer and they have these guys basically in 2 gallon cubes and they do fine. No one presently is really having any issues, but I took those 4 out of the tank and put them in the new one. I know .5 ammonia isnt the best, but it isnt the worst; and Im having to consider where they would have the better chance of survival at this point. The new tank basically doesnt have any copper in it, where the established does.
 
This thread kinda confusing.Whats the main point?
How big and the age of this tank?
Whats used for water movement?
Do you have a skimmer?
 
Lol main point is which one of my listed fish would be most suited to go to the newer tank. The established system yes has a skimmer, the new one no. I still have my ETSS1000, but considering its for 1500 gallons and I have a 4000 gph sump pump piped into it, I think its a bit much for the 55. Well actually it isnt really possible to run it on a 55 without a chiller or something because even with a 120 tank and the house at a constand 71-73 I had to run fans on it to keep the system down to 78. Besides it stand over 4 feet which puts it as high as the tank and stand. Im trying to land a deal on another 180 tank and get one set back up and heopfully combine these two into the one larger. This is one of the main reasons Im trying to understand cycling alot better. You would think that if you dont increase the fish or anything and just use actual water volume; you should be able to modify and add a new filter system that would safely establish itself while the older filters maintain. This is for some reason a question that hasnt been answered yet in any of my threads.
Back to now, I've apparently pushed to far in inches per gallons and I need to make a decision on who has the best chance at a cycling tank. Thing is Im using part of the filtration from the existing tank so the cycle shouldnt be nearly as rough. Im getting slammed on what you dont do with fish and a new tank, but this isnt technically a completely new to cycle system.
As for the main tank I use now, it has been established for about 3 years itself.
 
Whats the current water readings in the main tank and then the new tank? Haveing them a close as possible would really help. Any ammonia would be bad.
 
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