Help with ISO & shutter speeds

heyfredyourhat

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Was trying to take very bright(sunny) landscape shots today and i couldnt for the life of me get a really nice shot in. I am a beginner and have a dslr and mainly shoot in RAW. Is there a correlation btwn ISO and shutter speeds?? So i tried low ISO's and "slower" shutter speeds, still not right, fast shutter speeds and high ISO...not right either...??? Can someone give me advice??.... I did put the camera in full auto to see what it would do but it only tells me f stops and shutter speeds, no ISO...I took about a million pictures and could only get this...Brights are washed out and darks are, well dark! And there is only so much you can do with RAW

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the higher the ISO the less light you need to achieve the same exposure. i.e. faster shutter speeds.

A polarizing filter would do well for that peticular photo.

Also note, that you can further darken the picture by exposure compensation. That can make the difference a lot of times.
 
Also, if you shot in RAW, both those pictures can probably be saved. If you have Photoshop, it's really easy to just bring down the exposure, and there should be something similar in most other photo editing programs. Otherwise, just what juniormc8704 said. Using a polarizing filter is also a good hint on really sunny days, especially when getting a lot of glare. Here's a really rough guide to ISO settings. This is just me talking, and there are a hundred factors, but this will give you a general idea:

ISO 100: Outside photography on sunny days

ISO 200: Outside photography on partly sunny days or when trying to capture action on a bright day (i.e. you need a faster shutter speed)

ISO 400: Outdoor photography on cloudy days, indoor photography, or fast action shots with moderate to high light

ISO 800: Indoor photography, dawn/dusk photography, or sport photography using zoom lens. General rule of thumb: minimum shutter speed when using a zoom lens is 1/zoom. In other words, if you're using a 300mm zoom, your shutter speed should be no slower than 1/300.

ISO 1600: Night photography or sports photography using zoom lens and small aperature

Again, that's just my opinion on when to use what. Pay attention to your light meter and adjust your shutter speed accordingly. On camera light meters are far from perfect, but you'll eventually get a feel. The nice thing about digital is you can review your pictures right there and adjust accordingly. Keep shooting in RAW. It will make it much easier to correct photos in editing.
 
Forgot to add that i did use a polarizer, and i have photoshop cs3. Thanks for the ISO chart thing.

Lets say i take the same shot with an ISO of 800 and use a shutter speed of like 1/3 or something, wont the end result be the same as an iso 100 and a shutter speed like maybe 1/800...

I havent had a ton practice with RAW editing, but i read that i can change everything except ISO and shutter speed...
 
The lower ISO setting will give you less noise in the photo. In other words, you generally want to use the lowest ISO setting possible. I don't know off-hand what the formula is for equivalent shutter speeds with different ISO settings, but you have it a little backwards in your example. The higher the ISO, the less light that's required to "expose the film" (of course, the film in this case is the sensor). So, if you have an ISO of 800 set, you can use a much faster shutter speed to get the same light exposure as ISO 100. Hopefully, that makes sense. Under the same lighting, lower ISO (like 100) requires a faster shutter speed than a higher ISO (like 800).
 
Thanks. Do fstops have anything to do with this?? I was using a 5.6, but it really made no difference in what i saw on the lcd screen if i was using 4.0 or 5.6 or 29...???
 
f stop generally give you more DOF. (depth of field). that means your picture is sharp just about everywhere if you use a smaller apereture.(higher f stop) or if you use a higher apereture(lower f stop) it will generally focus on one point.

and really, you cant ask what settings are good. just go back out there, unless thats no possible, and shoot again. this time, take everything that was said above into consideration. lower the iso, play around with the f stop and shutter speed. see what you can get that appeals to you. if you mess up, who cares! its digital, just delete, and take another shot! the only thing you can miss when shooting landscapes is the clouds, and they only change slightly. the hills, or trees wont move or run away like if you were shooting kids or pets. you know what im saying? you can take your time shooting landscapes.

and also, bring a tripod if you hadnt.
 
You're dealing with the physics of the camera and you've discovered why most landscape shooters work in the early morning or late evening. During the day, unless special conditions exist, the light is just too harsh. You can still take pictures but they're going to fall into the "snapshot" category.

Problem #1
The human eye can detect and distinguish about 11 stops of information. The camera can see about 5 under normal conditions. When shooting RAW and employing some alternate processing you can push that to around 7 stops; still well short of what you can see with your eye. This is what happened on the second shot. You've got a scene with bright highlights and lots of shadow. The camera tried to expose for the shadows and the sky is about 8 stops brighter so it got blown out.


Problem #2
You're in full automatic mode. The light sensor in the camera believes that entire world is neutral grey. It looks at the area that you've set for metering (partial, spot, weighted, etc.) and determines what exposure would be necessary to make it grey. That works really well if your scene has lots of neutral tones or is evenly lit. In your 1st scene, the sky, which is generally pretty close to a neutral tone determined the exposure.

There are solutions to both scenarios. Key to all of that is learning to get the camera out of automatic and learning to read a histogram. Use the histogram, not the image on the screen, to determine if your exposure is good. If the histogram is off the screen on either end, you need to adjust the exposure. Don't assume that the camera knows best.

In a high dynamic range situation you have a few choices.

1. You can decide which is more important, shadow or highlight detail and expose for one or the other. In some cases, recomposing the shot can help take a problem area out of the shot.

2. You can "extend" the range of the sensor by employing graduated neutral density filters. I use the crap out of these things. It allows you to darken a portion of the scene to bring the total range of tones down to the point that you can capture them all. The come is many different sizes and styles. Don't buy the screw in type. I just hand hold them in front of the lens.

3. You can take multiple exposures of the same scene and combine them manually or with a program like photomatix (HDR). Alternatively you can process the RAW file twice; once for the highlights, once for the shadows. Then you can blend the two frames in Photoshop.


Problem #3
The images aren't sharp. It's hard to tell if it's a focus problem, depth of field problem or motion problem but a good tripod will always improve your images.

Cheers
 
I am going to another few places today to try and get some better shots. I am bringing my tripod this time and I am going to shoot bracketed exposures so I can play with hdr.

If its macro shots on my tank I can take really good shots every time, but sunny hills and rivers are new challenges for me.

Another problem that I was having was it was so damn bright out I couldn't see the LCD screen. Is this where the histogram will prove useful??


I get confused with fstops....I have read a few online discussions, a few general photography books, and played around with them...But I only see differences when I do macro stuff...
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13090587#post13090587 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by heyfredyourhat
Thanks. Do fstops have anything to do with this?? I was using a 5.6, but it really made no difference in what i saw on the lcd screen if i was using 4.0 or 5.6 or 29...???

Check out this thread, it may help you with aperture questions.http://www.reef2reef.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11713

It is not related to landscape images, but it is all the same effect.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13090130#post13090130 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by heyfredyourhat


Lets say i take the same shot with an ISO of 800 and use a shutter speed of like 1/3 or something, wont the end result be the same as an iso 100 and a shutter speed like maybe 1/800...



I'm no expert, but I think that that's backwards. iso800 should be 1/800 shutter speed, and iso100 should be 1/3 shutter speed. that makes more sense. "normally" there's no need for shutter speed of 1/3 if iso is 800.
 
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