Herbtana?
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blanden.adam
Team RC
I would be very careful and skeptical of using it. First of all, they do not publish what is in it, not even in their MSDS, calling it "proprietary," which means you as the consumer really have no idea at all what you are putting into your tank.
Second, they claim it as "chemical free," which is simply an untrue statement and any respectable company that employs anyone qualified to research their products (like a chemist for example) would know that to be the case.
Third, they claim it not as a treatment for any of the "diseases" it is supposed to be used for, but rather as an immune system stimulant for your fish, which is really really really shady.
If I were you, I'd steer clear and go with a defined product, like an appropriate antibiotic for a bacterial infection, a copper based medication for ich and friends, an oral antiparasitic for intestinal parasites etc. If there were a new product out and you wanted to try "next big thing" in marine fish medications I might even be in favor of it, if there company making it published what compounds were in their product and there was a reasonable reason to believe they would work. If you want to stimulate the immune system of your fish, feed them high quality foods.
What condition are you trying to treat anyway?
Second, they claim it as "chemical free," which is simply an untrue statement and any respectable company that employs anyone qualified to research their products (like a chemist for example) would know that to be the case.
Third, they claim it not as a treatment for any of the "diseases" it is supposed to be used for, but rather as an immune system stimulant for your fish, which is really really really shady.
If I were you, I'd steer clear and go with a defined product, like an appropriate antibiotic for a bacterial infection, a copper based medication for ich and friends, an oral antiparasitic for intestinal parasites etc. If there were a new product out and you wanted to try "next big thing" in marine fish medications I might even be in favor of it, if there company making it published what compounds were in their product and there was a reasonable reason to believe they would work. If you want to stimulate the immune system of your fish, feed them high quality foods.
What condition are you trying to treat anyway?
blanden.adam
Team RC
Well, I hate to say it man but that's what you should do. At this point, there really are no good reef safe treatments for Ich. Copper is the only way to go.
reefboarder
Intelligent Donkey
kingraham
New member
naso tang, hippo tang which is really the only one showing signs of ich, two snowflake clowns, 2 dart fish, leopard wrasse, cleaner wrasse, bangi, goby, and a flame angle. i just took all my rocks out not to long ago and put in a QT but i was impatient and put them back after 3 weeks which was the biggest mistake i ever made guess you live and learn. been putting garlic xtreme in the food and directly in the tank but doesnt seem to be doing much anyone have any luck with this?
Gary Majchrzak
Team RC
I never heard of Herbtana.
Chances are you can lump it in with all of the other BS Cryptocaryon "cures".
All Naso species grow too large for home aquariums.
Hippo Tangs require a large aquarium as well.
Don't take this info personally- it's just a fact.
IME stress works to magnify the effects of ANY pathogens.
Chances are you can lump it in with all of the other BS Cryptocaryon "cures".
All Naso species grow too large for home aquariums.
Hippo Tangs require a large aquarium as well.
Don't take this info personally- it's just a fact.
IME stress works to magnify the effects of ANY pathogens.
Conesus_Kid
Premium Member
If you're seeing cysts on some of your fish, all of your fish are most likely carrying the parasite. Sometimes cysts will be under the gill covers or elsewhere that you can't see, and the fish appear unaffected.
Pulling the fish and doing the tank transfer method, hyposalinity, or copper are your only options.s if you want to completely eliminate the pathogen. (along with leaving your display tank fallow for 10-12 weeks).
Sorry, but there's no easy or quick way out of this that's effective. I myself have learned this the hard way too.
Pulling the fish and doing the tank transfer method, hyposalinity, or copper are your only options.s if you want to completely eliminate the pathogen. (along with leaving your display tank fallow for 10-12 weeks).
Sorry, but there's no easy or quick way out of this that's effective. I myself have learned this the hard way too.
Haffs09
Member
In my case, the system was only set up for 9 months. I pulled all my tangs and one foxface, divided them in a 30 and 55 gallon tanks and treated with cupramine for 4 weeks. I tried to target ~0.40 mg/L level. My hippo, desjardini and foxface survived the ordeal, but I lost a few other nice tangs. After the treatment, I observed them for another several months to make sure ich didn't surface again.
For my display tank, it was only set up for 9 months and didn't have any coral in it. I decided to run freshwater through it for 2 months and then cycle it. That's the reason my fish were in QT for so long.
I only have experience using cupramine on clownfish, angels (majestic & imperator), dwarf angels (multicolors, potters and flames), foxface and tangs (zebrasomas, acanthurus and paracanthurus). The flames didn't like it too much, but I don't know if it was the Cu treatment or they already had something going on that made them a lost cause. I also found that zebrasoma species tangs don't take to Cu treatment too well either. All the ones I treated developed severe HLLE, even though their tank mates (clownfish and acanthurus tangs) didn't seem bothered at all.
Wow, I'm getting long winded here. I guess it all boils down to being a real pain to deal with it, but there are ways to get over it. It's been 6 months since I added all my fish together and there haven't been any signs of ich. Good luck!
For my display tank, it was only set up for 9 months and didn't have any coral in it. I decided to run freshwater through it for 2 months and then cycle it. That's the reason my fish were in QT for so long.
I only have experience using cupramine on clownfish, angels (majestic & imperator), dwarf angels (multicolors, potters and flames), foxface and tangs (zebrasomas, acanthurus and paracanthurus). The flames didn't like it too much, but I don't know if it was the Cu treatment or they already had something going on that made them a lost cause. I also found that zebrasoma species tangs don't take to Cu treatment too well either. All the ones I treated developed severe HLLE, even though their tank mates (clownfish and acanthurus tangs) didn't seem bothered at all.
Wow, I'm getting long winded here. I guess it all boils down to being a real pain to deal with it, but there are ways to get over it. It's been 6 months since I added all my fish together and there haven't been any signs of ich. Good luck!
Yes, I've seen herbana used in fish only tanks at a friend's lfs. years ago. No it doesn't help.
Infested tank(s) need to be left fishless for 72 days or taken down and thoroughly cleaned and dried .
All fish from the infested tank need treatment in quarantine with a copper medication , hypo salinity or the tank transfer method. I strongly prefer the med free tank transfer method for crytocaryon irritans. I also treat all new fish via tank transfer before placing them in my ich free system.
These relatively recent threads have more detail:
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2198909&highlight=ich
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2185929&highlight=ich
Infested tank(s) need to be left fishless for 72 days or taken down and thoroughly cleaned and dried .
All fish from the infested tank need treatment in quarantine with a copper medication , hypo salinity or the tank transfer method. I strongly prefer the med free tank transfer method for crytocaryon irritans. I also treat all new fish via tank transfer before placing them in my ich free system.
These relatively recent threads have more detail:
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2198909&highlight=ich
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2185929&highlight=ich
