Hybrid clown experiment
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sk8rreefgeek
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MIGHT be? haha. That's what I'm hoping.
I decided to give them each their space tho, rather than take the 'confined to each other' approach.
We'll see :smokin:
05TurboS2K
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you should release them into the wild after!!!!!
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elegance coral
They call me EC
Now I understand why people got upset about my comment. I was not calling children hybrids. I was trying to use humans as an example. If two clowns can mate and produce fertile offspring, the only difference between them and us, may be the label we give them. The whole point of this experiment is to find out if different "species" of clowns are able to reproduce. We don't know how closely these fish are related. We do know that some of them jump the 'species" line that we have drawn in the sand. Just because we call them different "species", doesn't mean that they aren't very closely related. For some of these fish it takes an expert just to distinguish one "species" from another.
Atticus
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The question of clown's ability to interbreed has already been answered. The maroon is even of a different genus and has been proven to interbreed with A. Ocellaris and A. Percula with viable resultant offspring. As previously stated, these names are just names given to them along time ago by a stuffy scientist that probably knew less about them and their care than the average hobbiest does now...
hahaitzmickey
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i say go for it! you got to just experiment sometimes. if it fails try agian. you never know , u might create a rare species and someone like me prolly pay u just to have one... 
make a YELLOW/PURPLE clown or a blue yellow clown. heck mix it up with some damsel, them goofy clowns prolly swin alot faster haha. u got to think of it like DOGS... dogs mate with other types of dogs all the time. and come out with different dogs hahaha *MUTS* to be exactly but people make up names like CHORKIES and MALTIPOO and crap like that u kno what i'm saying haha u can make a PERAMSEL for all i care. as long as it looks tite man you'll be famous. so try it!
make a YELLOW/PURPLE clown or a blue yellow clown. heck mix it up with some damsel, them goofy clowns prolly swin alot faster haha. u got to think of it like DOGS... dogs mate with other types of dogs all the time. and come out with different dogs hahaha *MUTS* to be exactly but people make up names like CHORKIES and MALTIPOO and crap like that u kno what i'm saying haha u can make a PERAMSEL for all i care. as long as it looks tite man you'll be famous. so try it!
elegance coral
They call me EC
I am doing it. Here is the first potential couple. They hang out together most of the time. They even sleep in the PVC pipe together.
To all you people against hybridizing marine livestock:
Do any of you keep clown pairs? Did you buy them together from the same retailer at the same time (either wild caught or tank-raised)? If so, there is a good probability that these specimens are of the same lineage. This makes them more prone to genetic defects & disease. I personally don't think if you plan on pairing fish up they should come from the same source.
Genetic variety is the key to life in higher organisms. In my opinion letting these clowns breed is far worse than mixing two different species kept in a healthy, well cared for environment.
Do any of you keep clown pairs? Did you buy them together from the same retailer at the same time (either wild caught or tank-raised)? If so, there is a good probability that these specimens are of the same lineage. This makes them more prone to genetic defects & disease. I personally don't think if you plan on pairing fish up they should come from the same source.
Genetic variety is the key to life in higher organisms. In my opinion letting these clowns breed is far worse than mixing two different species kept in a healthy, well cared for environment.
05TurboS2K
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seems like a tomato might not be the best choice? aggressiveness etc.
Lets not forget, if this COULD happen in the wild it probably would have, though the situation is less likely, you have to figure in SOME cirucmstance 2 clowns may end up together in the same pool of water. Maybe by freak accident in some tide pool, god knows. I don't see a major issue as long as the mating is natural and not done in a lab where it normally would never occur.
TO the above poster....I much agree. I try to make sure I get them from different sources.
Lets not forget, if this COULD happen in the wild it probably would have, though the situation is less likely, you have to figure in SOME cirucmstance 2 clowns may end up together in the same pool of water. Maybe by freak accident in some tide pool, god knows. I don't see a major issue as long as the mating is natural and not done in a lab where it normally would never occur.
TO the above poster....I much agree. I try to make sure I get them from different sources.
elegance coral
They call me EC
I chose the Tomato simply because that's what the LFS had on hand. I chose the Clarkii because it has the widest distribution of all the clown fish. This puts them in contact with other species more often, and a more likely chance of cross breeding. I also think it would be cool to have a red Clarkii. There are potential problems with any species combination I choose. I plan on having 3 other pairs of different species. The ones that don't work out I will simply give away, so I don't want to buy rare and expensive fish for this project. I will have to choose from the standard anemone fish like Ocellaris, Percs, Clarkii, Maroons, Tomatoes, Skunks, and Saddle backs.
This HAS happened in the wild. We just don't know to what extent. It is a rare occasion so just because we have not documented a particular hybrid doesn't mean it doesn't exist. At least for those clowns that have overlapping distributions.
29reef
It's all about the flow
This thread has been all over the place but I think its very interesting what you guys are looking at. Anyone think about the face that its normally at least a year before clowns start breeding. Even then its not always a regular thing? With that in mind I'm going to play around with my nano. I'm going to see what happens with a black perc and an orange one. I'll let you know in a year or so lol
dalilgriffith
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I find the hybrid debate to a debate over whether or not it is ethical to mate two fish that are capable of reproducing together. The answer imho, is do it. A lot of these hybrids occur in nature. Not all, but some. These fish would not be genetically programmed and compatible to mate with eachother otherwise. If you are against clown hybridization, you are against any mix breed of dog or cat that ever existed.
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OrionN
Moved on
People have done this before. The result are ugly (IMO) babies that is not orange or black but brownish color Ocellaris. You won't be able to move them because they don't look attractive. You may want to do a search and see what they look like before spend effort on clowns that you cannot move.
elegance coral
They call me EC
Everyone keeps getting hung up on the word "species". These are not classifications that are cast in stone or immovable. We place animals in different groups called species, simply so that others will know what animal we are talking about. With many, if not most, animals on this planet, if you research them enough, you will find that they were called something other than what they are called today. Some even moved from one family to another. The species classification is pretty much irrelevant, if you ask me. Just because we split animals up into different groups and call these groups "species" does not mean that the animals aren't very closely related. Look at Ocellaris and Percula. We classify them as different species, but it is overwhelmingly obvious that they share a common ancestor.
I think Phender said it best.
I think Phender said it best.
