Ich treatment for anyone who wants their fish to live

[PhillyD123]

Argon please give me a detailed regimen. Of your usage of copper and formalin. Freed just got me a sponsor. We will have a six month study all paid. Guided by a marine bioligist and paid for by a doctor who tragically gets a kick out of "wannabe scientists who believe they can diagnose alcoholism." Everything else he stated is not acceptable for this or any other forum. 100 tanks for a 100 fish test group. As close to identical water perimeters and fish and surroundings. Sadly many a yellow tailed damsel will be dissected in the name of science. and sadly a good pecentage will not be treated. I got exactly what I wanted from this post. Anyone else who does not feel doctors are incapable of research on fish and thinks with more than their brainstem please pm me a detailed care regimen. Freshwater dips, copper treatments, formalin and all other mainstream treatments. In your opinion is quarantine effective alone and am I misinterpreting when I am assuming you are going tank to tank. This would break the life cycle. Or are you simply removing the fish from the rest? If so the this can not be tested. It is unfortunate so many emotions were manipulated so I could do this but thank you regardless. I am dead serious about this. If no one replies with something that has worked for us to research. I will simply have to follow manufactuers directions and what I can find online but I fear I will be a bit busy setting up tanks. You all rock! Oh and brush up on your latin because a condition was every finding for these "wannabes" (This offends me too) and every journal will all be in latin. If anyone knows of a good translator online please pass it around. The end and I pmed you because I am done because of yourself and a few others I got what I wanted Oh my psycholigist friend would like me to inform you that mistaking opinions for facts is a sign of an inferiority complex

 

[Freed]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10323297#post10323297 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by PhillyD123
As far as my grammar you work a twelve hour grave drink a fifth of Yagermeister and type It does not go well and will not be repeated.

Need I say more? And please don't put words in my mouth, they came from yours.

 

[PhillyD123]

Please freeze this post RC or get rid of it as i will be busy and unable to defend myself for a while.

 

[Freed]

And where did anyone diagnose anyone else with alcoholism? I think you have other issues that you need to take care of.

 

[triggerfish1976]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10324802#post10324802 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by PhillyD123
Argon please give me a detailed regimen. Of your usage of copper and formalin. Freed just got me a sponsor. We will have a six month study all paid. Guided by a marine bioligist and paid for by a doctor who tragically gets a kick out of "wannabe scientists who believe they can diagnose alcoholism." Everything else he stated is not acceptable for this or any other forum. 100 tanks for a 100 fish test group. As close to identical water perimeters and fish and surroundings. Sadly many a yellow tailed damsel will be dissected in the name of science. and sadly a good pecentage will not be treated. I got exactly what I wanted from this post. Anyone else who does not feel doctors are incapable of research on fish and thinks with more than their brainstem please pm me a detailed care regimen. Freshwater dips, copper treatments, formalin and all other mainstream treatments. In your opinion is quarantine effective alone and am I misinterpreting when I am assuming you are going tank to tank. This would break the life cycle. Or are you simply removing the fish from the rest? If so the this can not be tested. It is unfortunate so many emotions were manipulated so I could do this but thank you regardless. I am dead serious about this. If no one replies with something that has worked for us to research. I will simply have to follow manufactuers directions and what I can find online but I fear I will be a bit busy setting up tanks. You all rock! Oh and brush up on your latin because a condition was every finding for these "wannabes" (This offends me too) and every journal will all be in latin. If anyone knows of a good translator online please pass it around. The end and I pmed you because I am done because of yourself and a few others I got what I wanted Oh my psycholigist friend would like me to inform you that mistaking opinions for facts is a sign of an inferiority complex

You might want to master english before you jump into latin since I have no idea what you just said here.:lol:

 

[Freed]

It's the Yager talking. I'm sure it was the Dr.s in his head talking too.

 

[loosbrew]

this is silly..

 

[Freed]

I dotn thnik thre wsa any mrit to the orginal psot in teh frist plce. Oops taht msut be teh wetar taklin.

 

[Neptune777]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10322630#post10322630 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Engine 7
I am planning on buying a powder blue tang and was really interested in reading this thread when i saw it. Powder Blue Tangs often get ick when introduced to a new tank.
I found this entire thread useless and immature. Nowhere in here did I see any scientific fact. Nowhere have I seen anybody of any authority state that he has done any studies or had success with any treatment backed up with fact.
What I did see was a bunch of kids that have a little bit of past knowledge based on reading goofy threads like this one. A little knowledge does not go a long way unless you are watching Jeapordy or palying Trivial Persuit.
Picking on other people because you dont agree with their views or you just plain like argueing is a waste of our time. This thread should be moved to the lounge where it belongs.
If I ever see another thread started or participated in by the 3 or 4 main members of this arguement/thread I will ignore their views and look for information elsewhere.

Sorry, but this was a huge waste of time...

FYI, fish (Powder Blue Tangs included) will only get ich if the parasite was already present in your system or came as a hitchhiker on the new fish. It does not lay around for a host to appear....it has a limited life cycle (well documented and proven) and cannot survive in a system if hosts are not present.

Ich is no where near as tricky and mysterious as everyone makes it out to be......Hyposalinity works and ich will die...They will not evolve quickly enough to change a very important key factor about inverts (they cannot regulate the water levels in their tissue)....I have an Achilles Tang (very fragile fish IMO) that went through 8weeks of QT/hypo and did great and has been ich free ever since!

 

[Freed]

I concur...r

 

[tmz]

Triggerfish1976, re; It has been proven that fw dip does little to affect amyloodinium. Thanks for poining this out. Is their a piece I can read on this aspect? Is there a treatment protocol that can be used before the copper treatment to kill parasites more quickly? Formalin dip?

 

[triggerfish1976]

FW dips are not a good treatment for Amyloodinium because it generally digs deep within the gill tissue thus is not effected by the FW dips since this treatment generally is only effective on the individual parasites on the outermost tissue. This is also why I believe that FW dips are not effective on Crypto because it only rids the fish of some of some of the parasites leaving others to eventually surface in the tank.
I could link several articles on this subject but the problem is every study that has been done on FW dipping are so inconclusive and show so many different variables I find them somewhat useless. I know that many people on RC only want to believe what scientific studies show but keep in mind that these test are all done in controlled environments and limited test subjects that never cover a wide enough range of variables in order to be the be all end all of proper husbandry.

 

[triggerfish1976]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10327571#post10327571 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tmz
Triggerfish1976, re; It has been proven that fw dip does little to affect amyloodinium. Thanks for poining this out. Is their a piece I can read on this aspect? Is there a treatment protocol that can be used before the copper treatment to kill parasites more quickly? Formalin dip?

One other thing, everyone keeps bringing up the idea of having to pre-treat a fish before it gets proper meds. via formalin or FW dips. I can see this being needed if a fish is experiencing an outbreak in a main display and then has to be pulled for treatment but why would anyone need to do this with a new fish? Are you all buying fish that have noticeable signs of infestation while still at the LFS or are you just dipping them for the sake of doing so because if it is the later then you're not doing the fish any justice since you are probably only getting rid of maybe 10% of any pathogen that the dip would effect.

 

[DgenR8]

[chimp]