Introducing The GHL/Fauna Marin Balling Method System
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AQD_ottawa
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1kg is approx $18 an element
it is cheaper to buy 4Kg.
Both will last quite some time
Todd is working on his site as I type
Dosing depends on your tanks draw on the elements and therefore it is impossible to give accurate dosing amounts just like a calcium reactor, no different in that side of things.
most systems should have a 10% water change so again this should not change anything, and is just a guide.
Hope that helps
it is cheaper to buy 4Kg.
Both will last quite some time
Todd is working on his site as I type
Dosing depends on your tanks draw on the elements and therefore it is impossible to give accurate dosing amounts just like a calcium reactor, no different in that side of things.
most systems should have a 10% water change so again this should not change anything, and is just a guide.
Hope that helps
bmwaaron
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Michael
Can you give more specifics on the dosing schedule?
I read the manual for the Ultralith system and the Balling light and neither specifies a specific dose or even how to dose.
I wanted to know for instance a 100 gallon system how much and how often are we dosing, I know it is going to change depending on your system but for instance do you dose 1 ml per 25 gallons 5 times a day to start? Is there a recommended starting dose schedule? The manual says how to mix it in a 2.5 gallon bucket but does not go any further then that.
I feel the english manuals may be lacking and I would not feel comfortable ordering or starting this system until more specific information is available. But I'm very interested.......
Please don't get me wrong here, like I said I'm very interested and I think allot of people are. I'm trying to ask the questions others are also thinking so we can have a better understanding and maybe try this system in the future.
Can you give more specifics on the dosing schedule?
I read the manual for the Ultralith system and the Balling light and neither specifies a specific dose or even how to dose.
I wanted to know for instance a 100 gallon system how much and how often are we dosing, I know it is going to change depending on your system but for instance do you dose 1 ml per 25 gallons 5 times a day to start? Is there a recommended starting dose schedule? The manual says how to mix it in a 2.5 gallon bucket but does not go any further then that.
I feel the english manuals may be lacking and I would not feel comfortable ordering or starting this system until more specific information is available. But I'm very interested.......
Please don't get me wrong here, like I said I'm very interested and I think allot of people are. I'm trying to ask the questions others are also thinking so we can have a better understanding and maybe try this system in the future.
AQD_ottawa
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I will get claude to answer your questions directly.
as for the doser it is the normal price but we will be doing starter balling kits to go with it. Price to come shortly
as for the doser it is the normal price but we will be doing starter balling kits to go with it. Price to come shortly
C. Schuhmacher
New member
Hi Aaron
Ok i try to explain
There are two different Balling methods possible
the classical or the light version
The Light Version is for modern reefs and we developed the system some years ago on the base of the classical methode
The idea is to control the important water parameter CA , MG and dkh
together with important trace elements for growing and colors without calculation and this on a fast , automatical way.
The simple idea is that you produce a solution which is erverytime the same. from this solution you add some ml in your tank an made a test
So you know ( as sample ) 50 ml of soltion 1 will raise CA + 10 mg in your tank.
This you can do same with MG and dKh
After the first test you know how much 50 ml will raise the ca
so you wait one week and see how much CA you Loose
If you loose after one week 30 mg CA you must add 150 ml Solution. The best way to dose the solution is dayli so you add 2o ml Solution CA a day
After one week you do a test again and then you see that you los only 10 mg / week so you change the dosin on 22
How longer you use ist so better you will find the right dosing for your tank
I Hope this helps
Greets Claude
We know how many trace elements the corals need for growing
so we add the trace elements to the solutions
If you need a lot of CA due to good coralgrow you add automatically the right ammount of trace elements
Ok i try to explain
There are two different Balling methods possible
the classical or the light version
The Light Version is for modern reefs and we developed the system some years ago on the base of the classical methode
The idea is to control the important water parameter CA , MG and dkh
together with important trace elements for growing and colors without calculation and this on a fast , automatical way.
The simple idea is that you produce a solution which is erverytime the same. from this solution you add some ml in your tank an made a test
So you know ( as sample ) 50 ml of soltion 1 will raise CA + 10 mg in your tank.
This you can do same with MG and dKh
After the first test you know how much 50 ml will raise the ca
so you wait one week and see how much CA you Loose
If you loose after one week 30 mg CA you must add 150 ml Solution. The best way to dose the solution is dayli so you add 2o ml Solution CA a day
After one week you do a test again and then you see that you los only 10 mg / week so you change the dosin on 22
How longer you use ist so better you will find the right dosing for your tank
I Hope this helps
Greets Claude
We know how many trace elements the corals need for growing
so we add the trace elements to the solutions
If you need a lot of CA due to good coralgrow you add automatically the right ammount of trace elements
AQD_ottawa
New member
Hiya
i can help here
The simple and very basic explanation is quite simply set the balling sytem up just like you would a calcium reactor, when you plug a calcium reactor in you have no idea how much DKH it will produce in the first week, nor do you have any idea how much your live stock will consume, so you have to test your system to balance the output with the systems requirements.
The exact same thing goes for balling, it has absolute nothing to do with gallons, but 100% to do with the amount of coral you have and the needs of those corals on minerals
Golden rule just as with a calcium reactor, balance the needs of your system based on testing. Once you have established the draw your system is pulling on minerals over time you can achieve an exact balance, dosing vs need.
i can help here
The simple and very basic explanation is quite simply set the balling sytem up just like you would a calcium reactor, when you plug a calcium reactor in you have no idea how much DKH it will produce in the first week, nor do you have any idea how much your live stock will consume, so you have to test your system to balance the output with the systems requirements.
The exact same thing goes for balling, it has absolute nothing to do with gallons, but 100% to do with the amount of coral you have and the needs of those corals on minerals
Golden rule just as with a calcium reactor, balance the needs of your system based on testing. Once you have established the draw your system is pulling on minerals over time you can achieve an exact balance, dosing vs need.
AQD_ottawa
New member
Ok this is the HUGE missconception
There are two types of balling mothod, the classic balling and the new ultra easy and simple to follow Balling light, this is the one to concentrate on
if you go to the Fauna forum you will find the manual for this
There are two types of balling mothod, the classic balling and the new ultra easy and simple to follow Balling light, this is the one to concentrate on
if you go to the Fauna forum you will find the manual for this
Stoneyscoral
New member
For balling light there are 4
CaC12
MgC12
MgSO4
NaHCO3
I didn't realize there were two types of Magnesium, Magnesiumchloride Hexahydrate and manesiumsulfate heptahydrate.
I just took delivery of another batch of FM. There were more 4kg salts but I don't have all 4 yet.
There is a 5th salt to for anyone who wants to do the full balling method as opposed to the balling light. Natriumchloride free marine salt.
CaC12
MgC12
MgSO4
NaHCO3
I didn't realize there were two types of Magnesium, Magnesiumchloride Hexahydrate and manesiumsulfate heptahydrate.
I just took delivery of another batch of FM. There were more 4kg salts but I don't have all 4 yet.
There is a 5th salt to for anyone who wants to do the full balling method as opposed to the balling light. Natriumchloride free marine salt.
FoothillCorals
Premium Member
How is Balling light different than Randy's recipe two? It seems to use the same "salts" other than maybe one of the Mg salts.
Also dosn't the Sodium Bicarbonate lower PH over time. I am using Randy's recipe#2 right now, but with a Kalk reactor for top off and to maintain a higher PH.
Thanks
Also dosn't the Sodium Bicarbonate lower PH over time. I am using Randy's recipe#2 right now, but with a Kalk reactor for top off and to maintain a higher PH.
Thanks
AQD_ottawa
New member
The differance is, yes in the magnesium and also the ability to add further trace elements.
Claude will expand further. But this is in no way can be related to a two part system, 100% different
Claude will expand further. But this is in no way can be related to a two part system, 100% different
C. Schuhmacher
New member
Hi
correctly it was a french guy which add some salts in marine tanks to stabilize the system
Hans Werner Balling a german guy calculate a system which you can control Calcium,dkH and special trace elements which the corals need to grow.
This classical System works more like the 2 Part System
Fauna Marin developed then the system new and make it easier to use and for the modern reefer
This System calles Balling light
The different to the two part is that we work with much better cleaner salts 99,5 % and better
We did not use Epsom salt cause the sulfate will fallen out in reef tanks very fast.
and we use a special trace element mix which let corals better grow.
The Balling light system did not need to weight the salts or make
complicated mixes and it is for every system safe and useable.
The salt mixes together with the waterchange prevent an ionic inbalance.
Greets Claude
Here you see another tank which use the balling methode
correctly it was a french guy which add some salts in marine tanks to stabilize the system
Hans Werner Balling a german guy calculate a system which you can control Calcium,dkH and special trace elements which the corals need to grow.
This classical System works more like the 2 Part System
Fauna Marin developed then the system new and make it easier to use and for the modern reefer
This System calles Balling light
The different to the two part is that we work with much better cleaner salts 99,5 % and better
We did not use Epsom salt cause the sulfate will fallen out in reef tanks very fast.
and we use a special trace element mix which let corals better grow.
The Balling light system did not need to weight the salts or make
complicated mixes and it is for every system safe and useable.
The salt mixes together with the waterchange prevent an ionic inbalance.
Greets Claude
Here you see another tank which use the balling methode
LoneStarSA
New member
So if I were to do the balling light method, and want to use the Profilux doser, a 4 way doser would be required for each type? Just wanna clear that up before I start saving up for the doser :mixed:
AQD_ottawa
New member
no you only need a 3 way. But a 4 way would give you another pump for other uses and it is cheaper in the long run to buy a 4 way
LoneStarSA
New member
Ok so with just a 3 way I can dose these '4'?
CaC12
MgC12
MgSO4
NaHCO3
Do I combine 2 of these chemicals into one jug for the doser? Sorry for the confusion...I'm still reading up on this
CaC12
MgC12
MgSO4
NaHCO3
Do I combine 2 of these chemicals into one jug for the doser? Sorry for the confusion...I'm still reading up on this
