It arrived!!!!!

tgreene

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Yep, my new Halcyon Infinity BP/W just arrived a few minutes ago! :dance:

Sadly however, I had to put down and bury my cat today, so I'm not in any kind of mood to be excited or play with anything new. :sad1:

I did try it on and air it up, and know that it's gonna take a bit of tweaking to get her setup to fit just right. :wave: <-- fitment test!

I'll make a firm decision on the regs by Friday! :idea:

-Tim
 
I woke up, made a pot of coffee, and immediately started fitting and adjusting the new rig... I "think" that I have it exactly how I want it and the way that SeaJay & Kym had me fitted with the rig in Georgia.

The first thing that I did was strip off the 2 side weight pockets since I I have the internal #6 channel weight... I can alway add them back in for salt water, or simply use an external weight belt which actually makes more sense to me since *most* of my diving will be freshwater.

Despite the numerous suggestions to stick with a minimalist rig, I am loving the shoulder and back pads!

-Tim
 
They did, and I spent most of the morning loosening this and tightening that. I did all of the fitting with the tank off, then put it on and it felt really good. Better in fact than the rig I was diving in Georgia... I don't know if it's because I have the shoulder pads, or because I wasn't strapped to a steel #100, or because it's mine, but it did just feel like it sat a little better. I do have the shoulder straps just a bit looser though, so that I can easily slip a finger under them. The rig I was diving in Georgia I had said all along that it seemed just a bit too tight and restrictive to me. I also know that once I have a wetsuit on it will be just a bit tighter than trying to fit it while wearing a t-shirt.

Anyways, thanks so much for letting me drive you nuts while I sorted through the myriad of gear choices available... It sucks too, because I was perfectly happy with what I had before, then you went and ruined me! ;)

-Tim
 
Aw, I just upped the ante a little. :) When someone did that to me, I remember telling them that I felt like I had been racing go-karts for a while, and all of a sudden I was racing a Ferrari... It takes some getting used to, but in the long run it's a LOT better... Better than I had ever thought possible.

I'm not surprised that your new rig feels better than the one you were diving at the Aquarium... We were rushed to get you into that rig, and only did a few cursory adjustments to get things in the right range. Literally, on these rigs, 1/4" can be a huge difference, so having your own that you can adjust perfectly is the best option. And once you get the right fit, you won't want to dive anything else.

For what it's worth, once you find the right adjustments, replacing webbing is pretty easy, even though you'll have to readjust new webbing... You'll be so used to it that you'll know right off what needs to be adjusted.

Then, since you'll always have the same adjustments on your rig, you'll develop awesome "muscle memory" that will enable you to hit every D-ring in every case, regardless of whether or not you can see it.

...And the consistency of your rig will allow you to focus on many other amazing skills, making you a progressively better diver with every dive.

:)
 
So it took it into my LDS this afternoon for a bit of "show-n-tell" and I got the really cold shoulder, along with a finger pointing to an I3 (elevator lever) followed by the statement that thoise will do everything mine will do, and for less..... I just nodded in agreement and made a quip along the lines of, "Sure, but you know how those Tech Nazis are; demanding that everyone and everything be the same!

I changed the subject as quickly as I could, then offered to pre-pay even more into my account, which T O T A L L Y changed the overall tone. Even though they have told me that they can't get Halcyon gear, I think they felt bad that they didn't get the sale, so at the risk of likely paying $50 more for the set of MiFlex hoses, I ordered them through the shop. Keep in mind that these are the guys that priorityovernighted a replacement light to me, and wouldn't accept a dime for the shipping or their trouble.

Also, I *may* be getting a drysuit sooner than later, so they'll get the opportunity to train and certify me as well as sell me yet another hose and then the underwear.

It really is a shame that they are so locked into AquaLung and the rules & regs that go along with it. :(

-Tim
 
It really is a shame that they are so locked into AquaLung and the rules & regs that go along with it. :(

-Tim

Agreed. I can't for the life of me understand why they get so tunnel-visioned. It's like the distributors of the products (who are NOT the manufacturers, by the way) get this weird mind-control over them.

I can't tell you how many times I've said to an LDS... "I'm gonna get one of these... Probably in about two weeks. I know I can buy it for $100 online at Leisurepro (or any one of a dozen other places), but you're advertising it here for $250. Look, I would much rather buy from you and support my local dive shop, but I can't justify 2.5 times the price. Care to split the difference so I can buy from you?" (It IS, after all, worth more to me to be able to see and touch the item prior to purchase.)

To which they reply, "$100?! That's less than my wholesale price."

Look, a dealer is a dealer is a dealer... If *I* (the consumer) can get the item for LESS than what you (the retailer, presumably with a wholesale discount) can, then you need to find another supplier... Else I (the consumer) don't need you (the retailer)... That's all there is to it. I always look at them and smile and say, "No, you can buy at Leisurepro (or wherever) too... My bet is that they'd even sell to you at a discount..."

...Such is business. Paradigms shift. That's all there is to it. To be successful, a business not only needs to know how to ride the paradigms, but actually predict them or even create them.

Don't let your LDS look down their noses at you... The bottom line is that you are the consumer, and you control the market - that's all there is to it. If they're not listening to you, then they're headed in another direction other than the market. If they're not supplying your need, then they'll die - period. That's what they're there for - to satisfy their customers - and if they've got other ideas, then their business is already in deep trouble.

While you're diving, they're running their store - so don't let them tell you how to dive. They pretend they are, but they are not, the experts on diving. :)

Don't worry - you'll see a LOT of this kind of stuff as you visit more and more stores. The attitude you got today isn't branded, and it's not specific to your LDS. :)

Let them play with their elevator levers all day in the shop, telling people how great they are - while you dive and become an expert on diving for real. :)
 
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What's an elevator lever? I mean, I know old time elevators were operated with a lever but somehow I don't think that's what you're talking about....

BTW, I swung into my LDS this afternnon to wish everyone Merry Christmas and I saw that DUI has a $ale going on right now.

Glad you like your new rig :bounce3:
 
The "elevator lever" is just that; you push down to descend, and up to ascend... :D

Seriously, I'm not making this up!!!
 
*IF* all goes well, I'll be diving my new rig in Florida in a week... I have a week to come up with $700 for the trip that includes Crystal River, Ginnie Springs, Blue Hole Grotto, Devils Hole, and a couple of other rivers & springs.

The trip is through our LDS and there are 17 people already going, including my favorite local dive partner.

-Tim
 
Yep, there's two or three "levers" on the market...

http://www.aqualung.com/us/content/view/39/126/

Notice that there's no inflator hose on the BC. :) Instead, there's a lever on the lower left side of the BC. Flip it down, and the BC dumps (on the shoulder). Flip it up, and the BC inflates. Most everyone who puts it on thinks, "Wow - cool... No more buoyancy issues... Up = up and down = down. Simple." This has earned them the nickname "elevator lever."

The problem, of course, is that when you're at depth and ascending, you DEFLATE your BC. When you are sinking, you INFLATE your BC to remain neutral... Because the "bubble" in the bladder compresses and expands with depth. And the lever does not negate the fact that a diver breathes, which changes his buoyancy as well... So unless the diver is operating the lever with every breath, he's not going to be neutral until he learns how to control his buoyancy with his lungs - just like everyone else.

...But the real problem with these systems is that they're full of hidden hoses and o-rings and cables that operate the system. Every one of these is a failure point, and will, at some point, go out of adjustment, rust away, or leak... Behind a hidden panel... Which has never once been rinsed, since the diver didn't even know it existed.

The idea of these things is great - the practical application is not. Divers call this "surface logic" - it looks great in the store (or in the engineer's mind), but in the water it's a different story. :)

The weird thing is that the market didn't learn from the flopped Mares HUB of a few years ago, I suppose... http://www.divebooty.com/prodimages/lg/202.jpg Yes, look closely... That's "fully integrated" EVERYTHING. Even the regs are integrated into the BC. (shudder)

You know how it's difficult today to simply buy a printer? Instead, the market almost exclusively offers "all-in-ones," which is to say that they are printers, scanners, copiers, fax machines and everything else, all in one machine. They never seem to do any one thing very well, and of course, if one component breaks, suddenly nothing else works either. What's worse is that their drivers become HUGE and take up tremendous amounts of your computer's RAM, even when you're not actually using the machine. It's gotten pretty rediculous. Just getting one of these things to print something simple can be a real task - and a trick to accomplish correctly, if you can get it to work at all.

...Now imagine the same thought process, but with life support systems. :)
 
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Very nice. I'm sure there will also be a very nice lawsuit too the first time one fails and someone dies because of this idiocy :(
3 REALLY BIG ISSUES: 1) disconnecting the hose if need be during runaway inflation looks more difficult that a standard inflator
2) Unlikely to be able to hear the air rush when inflating due to hose location - really a problem if inflation is unintended/runaway
3) Looks really easy to catch that lever on - frankly anything- leading to unintended inflation/deflation
I propose a new name: The Aqualung Death BC :idea:
 
I've seen 2 of them locally where the levers and/or lever plate has broken, rendering the BC inoperable... Also, because it's clearly non-standard, how does a buddy know which way to hit the lever in an emergency, or what dou you do if the lever or plate breaks while on a dive and the BC dumps...???...???

There is a shoulder mounted oral inflator, but if the lever plate breaks then it can't hold air!

-Tim
 
That lever thing looks scary. I'll stick to my old fashioned inflator valve that I can take apart and service in the field if need be. Simple is best.

Hey Tim, where are the pictures of the new stuff?
 
Bill, the new regs will be here Tuesday and the MiFlex hoses were all ordered on Friday, so *hopefully* I'll have the ful rig together by Wednesday at the latest and I'll have pics then if so...

-However-

I can't post pics because I don't have the ability to do so. I was a paid member a few years ago, but cancelled it after someone in management read me the riot act in regards to publicly answering questions about a product that I developed (( Reef Relief AATOC -- Automated Aquatic Top Off Controller )) so I dropped it and lost that ability.

If you want to change that ability for me I'll post em, otherwise I can't. :(

-Tim
 
Ah, jeez... Would you like some cheese with that whine? ;)

Just pokin' at ya, bud... What kind of friend would I be if I didn't take that opportunity? :)

For what it's worth, if you send me the photos, I'll put them up on my website's server and you can link to them from there. Of course, I don't for a minute think that this was really about photo space, of course... But don't say I didn't offer. :)

Simple is best.

I couldn't agree more, Bill. :)

Here's the funny thing about that lever system... All of them consider "up" to be toward the shoulder... And down to be toward the feet... Which is interesting, of course, because if the diver was in a correct prone position, "up" would be toward his back and "down" would be toward his belly. Additionally, when the lever is flipped "down," it activates a dump near the diver's shoulder - which means, in many ways, that the BCs with the lever on them very much encourage an "upright," vertical position in the water. In fact, the designers expect it, since the lever operates a dump on top of the shoulder, and not on the diver's back.

...Which is REALLY a bad thing. A vertical position has numerous disadvantages underwater, notwithstanding the diver's inability to slow a rapid ascent. The diver's simply not in a position to do anything but "Polaris missle" if the system decides to rapidly inflate.

Conversely, a diver with a horizontal attitude is in a position to slow both ascent and decent, resist any horizontal current, tend to an ailing buddy, donate or receive gas in an OOG situation, and of course, maintain good bouyancy. Simply put, these "lever" systems promote all kinds of nasty underwater issues, and discourage divers from learning proper diving techniques which will keep them alive.

...Which is how just ONE piece of gear can have a very dramatic effect on a diver's life. Even if a diver never actually has a life-threatening issue with this BC, it certainly would make diving "not so much fun" - which means that he loses interest in the sport (or hobby or lifestyle) very quickly.

Put into context, how many people have you known tell you, "Ah, you're a diver... So am I! I haven't dived in many years, though... Sorta lost interest..."

Could it be that the industry is cannibalizing itself? Could it be that the non-diving engineer of dive equipment is the REAL reason why the industry is falling apart?

To answer the question, all ya gotta do is visit DEMA. Do it a few years in a row and see how much turnover there is in the marketplace... So many fresh ideas, so much surface logic! :)

Add to that a very illegal (in the US) price fixing situation (in an industry too small for the FTC to care) and it's easy to see why so many dive shops are going out of business; and why so many people never get serious about diving.

...Which I suppose makes us very special people - an exclusive group! :)
 
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Uhhhhh, just too drunk to post afteer getting home from the pub, I'll try tomorrow, at least we finally have a big freaking storm dropping a ton of snow on us....:bounce3:
 
Ah, jeez... Would you like some cheese with that whine? ;)

Just pokin' at ya, bud... What kind of friend would I be if I didn't take that opportunity? :)

For what it's worth, if you send me the photos, I'll put them up on my website's server and you can link to them from there. Of course, I don't for a minute think that this was really about photo space, of course...
I have several gigs of available hosting space on my own servers, but thanks anyway. :)

But don't say I didn't offer. :)
Nope, it's about the inability to post pics here without being a PAID member, which I had been for quite some time until someone threw a fit about me responding to questions about my own products without being a paid advertiser (I was a paid member). The irony however is that I actually tried to become one, but nobody would ever respond to my inquiries at the time... I've long since sold that particular company, but am still in the reefkeeping business though, so there is a completely different set of rules here which apply to me and others in my position.

Sure I can post links, but Bill said to post PICS which I would love to be able to do. ;)

-Tim
 
Tim,

I don't think there are any software restrictions on your account to prevent picture posting. Your not selling dive equipment, so no rules that would prevent you from posting those pictures either ;)
 
Tim,

I don't think there are any software restrictions on your account to prevent picture posting. Your not selling dive equipment, so no rules that would prevent you from posting those pictures either ;)

TEST PIC

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