Jackson's 115 Gallon Custom Cube 32x32x26

So, yesterday I tested po4 for the first time in a month (haven't been run gfo in 6 weeks) . You see, I have an experienced SPS keep yeah that can see phosphate levels, or so I thought :) The tank showed no sign of po4 except for slower SPS growth. The test result on the Hanna low-range meter showed .21
I though it was an error so I cleaned the vials thoroughly and tested again. Result was .24 on the second test!!! I even tested with a Red Sea po4 kit and that read .18 So much for the trained eye.

I did a 20% water change yesterday and put a fresh cup of ROWA in the reactor. PO4 reading this morning was .1 Having po4 this high along with my 25ppm nitrates reminds me of thread that Thales stared about his tank and high po4.

Thanks for the info Rich. I look forward to the results of my tank after the Radium goes up. Your tank looks awesome. I hope I can get similar results. I've followed your tanks for years and have aspired to achieving similar success. :thumbsup: Plus I love your cube tanks and the scapes. :)

There must be something to the balance. Conventional wisdom for years now is that your acros will brown and or die under long exposure to high no3 and po4. This tank is perfect evidence against that...being that these acros have perhaps some of the most vibrant colors of any on the entire forum

There's definitely a balance I think, which is why my tank isn't covered with cyano at the moment, but there's something to be said for high PAR evenly spread lighting. If I had a shallow frag tank with a 400w radium giving everything 500 par I would be inclined to keep these water parameters to keep deep colors and still have good growth. I would also be able to experiment with photo period and maybe even different, higher par bulbs. Just like in the old days, we were able to photo-saturate the coral will strong MH lighting despite high nutrients.
Unfortunately this is a 26" high tank with SPS from top to bottom Top of the tank gets 500-700 par, and bottom gets 200-300, middle obviously in a middle range.
With nutrient this high I have seen growth slow down considerably on corals getting less par. I lost white growth tips on a bunch of pieces and have seen an overabundance of brown shaggy polyps. I also notice that my night time PE is not what it was. An old TOTM article from Jamie Cross mentioned night time PE as a heath indicator. There wasn't scientific proof but this always stuck in my head over the head, and I do observe the correlation.
My target water parameter is 10ppm No3 along with .03 po4. I know a lot of guys say "don't chase number" but numbers are a good guideline for us to follow, if you're using quality kits or meters. I say if you don't chase numbers, you're chasing your tail :D

Rich, I've seen high PO4 numbers and crazy nice acro colours in my buddys tank. The colours were deep/rich. I dont chase PO4 anymore unless it goes out of control. I prefer under 0.08ppm. Sure, dont chase, but limits must be there.

Strong lighting is important when running high PO4. I'm sure I read somewhere that the PAR levels in your tank runs around 250 on the bottom.
 
Video as requested :) Po4 is down to .04 no3 @10ppm
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Richard,
I checked out the video and love it, your PE is insane on all of your sps, crazy man! The colors are spot on and the tank looks as healthy as ever :)
Nicely Done!!!
 
very nice Rich, tank looking great!
Thank you!

Great video. How in the heck do you run without any visible algae? :)
Thanks :) I do have quite a bit of bubble algae, but honestly, it doesn't hurt anything. There's not much rock in the tank and most of it is covered by coral. I don't think the algae has the surface area or gets enough light to grow since coral growth would shade it.

Looks great, hope to visit one day soon.

Thanks Kat, anytime.

Richard,
I checked out the video and love it, your PE is insane on all of your sps, crazy man! The colors are spot on and the tank looks as healthy as ever :)
Nicely Done!!!

Thanks. Since getting my po4 in check everything has rebounded nicely. Growth is picking up and colors are improving more and more. I start getting very busy at work soon, hopefully I can maintain it this way :uhoh2:
 
Since getting my po4 in check everything has rebounded nicely. Growth is picking up and colors are improving more and more. I start getting very busy at work soon, hopefully I can maintain it this way :uhoh2:

What did the PO4 get upto, and what is the level you feel is best for your acro colouration? Did the NO3 level change during this time?

PS, I woke up this morning and saw the YT notification on my phone and watched your tank video right away. :beer: Your tank is one of my favorite on the net...anywhere really. Keep up the excellent work Rich. :beer:
 
Hey buddy, thanks, glad you enjoyed the video. I didn't test po4 for a almost a month over the winter months. I noticed slower growth but no increased algae growth in the tank or on the glass. When I tested I got a reading of .18-.24 on several different tests. Nitrates were around 25ppm, which I feel is a bit high for optimum coloration. I tend to get brown polyps with no3 this high. My optimum target levels would be no3 5-10ppm + po4 around .03. With these levels, considering my bioload + feeding, I get the best combination of color and growth.
 
Love the video, love your tank!
That's a good solid amount of fish in there. I approve!!
What did you do to reduce n? I see you're using rowa for the p..
 
Love the video, love your tank!
That's a good solid amount of fish in there. I approve!!
What did you do to reduce n? I see you're using rowa for the p..

Thanks:smurf: Starting to think too many fish :sad2: After overdoing it with aminos, my nitrates were somewhere between 25-50ppm. Initially, I did 3x 20% water changes in one week which brought me down below 25ppm. For the last few weeks, I have been dosing vinegar in addition to the bi-monthly prodibio. Nitrates are down to 10ppm right now.
 
Nice. I remember you saying way back that you thought it was carbon dosing that brought out the red in your crazy tenuis..
Any signs?
 
Nice. I remember you saying way back that you thought it was carbon dosing that brought out the red in your crazy tenuis..
Any signs?

Can you confirm this Rich? I know you've always added vinegar to your kalk, I wonder how much of the carbon remained for bacterial use...?
 
Nice. I remember you saying way back that you thought it was carbon dosing that brought out the red in your crazy tenuis..
Any signs?

Can you confirm this Rich? I know you've always added vinegar to your kalk, I wonder how much of the carbon remained for bacterial use...?

Yes, definitely something related to carbon dosing/feeding. I carbon dosed with prodibio in a previous much cleaner system, and was unable to get the red out. In this current system, with the heavy feeding and fish load, along with prodibio (carbon source), and maintaining fairly low nutrient, the red color was amazing.
The amount of vinegar that I added to the kalk was not enough to carbon dose the tank, and I am recently adding 20ml of vinegar daily to combat high nitrates. I do not believe vinegar to be the secret:)
That tenuis has the best color feeding heavily, nitrate level 5-10, po4 0.0-0.3, and dosing bioptim+biodigest ever 2 weeks. I have spread that coral around quite a bit over the last year and the only guys keeping red color carbon dose in one form or another.
 
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