Jeremy's 250g build - Take II
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jtarmitage
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Doesn't look like I'm gonna get to do anything until Morgan goes down for a nap.
They're both being difficult so I think were going to the park for a while.
They're both being difficult so I think were going to the park for a while.
jtarmitage
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Thanks Chad. I love the house and neighborhood.
OK, here's obstacle #2. The H&S will not fit into the stand, so where to put it? There are 2 options that I can think of, assuming I drain feed the skimmer.
Option #1:
Put the skimmer outside the stand, semi hidden on the back right corner. I may also be able to leave the tank a little further away from the wall and actually put it behind. I already will have a 8" space, and would need 10-13" to put the skimmer behind. 10" for one end, 13" at the widest point on the other end with the pumps.
The cons with this idea:
Tank is further away from the wall.
Skimmer noise.
Potential for skimmer overflow onto the wood floor(possible to either build a sump like box for the skimmer to rest in, or tap the collection cup for overflow, but that would make cup cleanings a little more tedious as I'd have to disconnect/reconnect every time)
Option #2:
Put the skimmer in the garage. I have limited space on where it could go, but the best option would be where the temporary chiller sits now, on the right side of the garage setup on the ground.
Cons:
I'd have to pop 2 more holes in the wall, run a line from the drain manifold (to be built) out to the skimmer and then a return from the skimmer to the sump. Would this extra long drain line cause the skimmer to not drain properly, causing serious difficulties in keeping the water level low enough so as not to overflow constantly? I think it would work fine, but would appreciate any input.
Other options:
Don't drain feed it.
Use a seperate pump to feed it into the garage and drain into the fuge.
Or, use the same pump that'll feed the chiller, then skimmer, then drain into fuge.
Obstacle #3:
What pump should I use to feed the chiller/fuge? The chiller will be mounted above the fuge, at roughly 10' high. I'd prefer to stick with a submersible pump, but can tap the sump if need be. Any ideas on which pump/flow rate I should be aiming for for this?
Jim_S
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I would say drain feed and place it in the garage.
Your concern about flow to the skimmer is valid. You will need 1.5-2 times your system volume to your skimmer in order to maximize its efficiency. I haven't seen your diagrams on how you're planning on plumbing it, but I'm confident there is a feed it properly.
So, are you also planning on running a sump under the stand?
Your concern about flow to the skimmer is valid. You will need 1.5-2 times your system volume to your skimmer in order to maximize its efficiency. I haven't seen your diagrams on how you're planning on plumbing it, but I'm confident there is a feed it properly.
So, are you also planning on running a sump under the stand?
jtarmitage
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I'm at the park now, so few details. I'm concerned about flow from skimmer creating too much back pressure on the skimmer. flow to the skimmer shouldn't be an issue as I can control via valve.
yes I will have a sump under the tank as well.
yes I will have a sump under the tank as well.
jtarmitage
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Yeah, T, that was on of the options listed above. I can hide it, but the tank will be a little bit further from the wall, you can hear the H&S, as opposed to the BK, and there's the overflow potential. Still, it's one of the top 2 options I'm considering.
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12656952#post12656952 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Jim_S
If you raise the skimmer up, the exhaust can drain down, so there won't be any back pressure on it.
I dunno. Maybe its best to use a pump in this situation...
I know you don't want too many holes in the wall, but you could simplify it alot by having the sump in the too
Jim, if I had the room in the garage, I would, but blocking access to the rear doors for either of the cars is not a good option with the kids. Plus, it's only a matter of time until the door gets thrown open and cracks the sump if it were in the only available space. I'd put the water containers up high, but then I couldn't access them to add salt to the SW tank. Oh, and they won't fit due to the garage door rail.
Honestly, I'm leaning toward putting it into the garage and just popping 2 more holes in the wall. At this point, what's 2 more? I also think I will raise it 6-12" inches, but I'll have to figure that out still.
tbone28
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If you decide on putting it behind your tank, you can just place it inside of a rubbermaid container - cheap and easy. The reason I would prefer to keep it inside the house is cuz the skimmer is something I look at everyday (OK, multiple times a day 
), and it's more convenient when the skimmer's *right there*
), and it's more convenient when the skimmer's *right there*
jtarmitage
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12657061#post12657061 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tbone28
If you decide on putting it behind your tank, you can just place it inside of a rubbermaid container - cheap and easy. The reason I would prefer to keep it inside the house is cuz the skimmer is something I look at everyday (OK, multiple times a day
That is what I thought originally as well, but, I'll see it at least twice a day in the garage. The idea of having a nearly silent setup in the house is very appealing, which is why I decided to put the chiller and CL pump out there as well.
And I'm by no means discounting that idea, just covering all the pro's and con's before I make a decision. I still have to deal with the other plumbing, so I can wait a little bit before making a final decsion.
jtarmitage
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Not of the SM, and I don't think the pocketbook would allow for it anyhow.
jtarmitage
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OK, another question for the masses. I've got at least 4 holes, 6 if I put the skimmer outside, that'll need to be cut in the wall. Should I go with individual holes, or 1 larger opening for all the pipes. My concern with a single opening is the ability to seal it up after the pipes are installed to keep the insulated barrier between the house and garage mostly intact. Should I even bother?
kdblove_99
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I would definitely put it in the garage. the overflow issue would always have me nervous. I personally like individual holes. That is how i did mine.
In sump skimmers are a waste of money?
In sump skimmers are a waste of money?
jtarmitage
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Finally....I can post what I've been trying to put up for the last couple of hours.
Before I do this, anyone see any problems with using ABS Y's with PVC or flex tubing? I think it should be fine, would rather have PVC Y's, but ABS is at hand.
OK, 1 hole. I guess the tricky part will be cutting it nice and neat. Yes, I am a bit anal and even the look of a hole in the wall that'll only be visible from the garage matters. I guess if it doesn't look clean, I can always get some trim and frame it out...
And yes, I am going to make a silencer. Just need to make a run to TAP to get some acrylic tubing and caps/plates for it. I may go with a BK inspired hanging system, or just a rod in the airline holders as I mentioned.
Before I do this, anyone see any problems with using ABS Y's with PVC or flex tubing? I think it should be fine, would rather have PVC Y's, but ABS is at hand.
OK, 1 hole. I guess the tricky part will be cutting it nice and neat. Yes, I am a bit anal and even the look of a hole in the wall that'll only be visible from the garage matters. I guess if it doesn't look clean, I can always get some trim and frame it out...
And yes, I am going to make a silencer. Just need to make a run to TAP to get some acrylic tubing and caps/plates for it. I may go with a BK inspired hanging system, or just a rod in the airline holders as I mentioned.
jtarmitage
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Well, I just did an inventory of the plumbing parts that I've got left over from the last time, and I'm out of pretty much everything I need to get any of the plumbing done. So, looks like I'm done plumbing until I can make a run tomorrow.
Anyone have any ideas for a pump, preferably submersible, that'll give my between 600-1200gph at about 10' head? The 1260, and even the 1262 aren't gonna cut it. Really interested in picking up the RD 4.5 M3, but that's $$$. I don't really want to use an external pressure pump because I want to keep things as quiet as possible in the house. Any ideas?
Anyone have any ideas for a pump, preferably submersible, that'll give my between 600-1200gph at about 10' head? The 1260, and even the 1262 aren't gonna cut it. Really interested in picking up the RD 4.5 M3, but that's $$$. I don't really want to use an external pressure pump because I want to keep things as quiet as possible in the house. Any ideas?
tbone28
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Jeremy, another vote for a 1-hole cut.
Regarding your pump, I've always used CSL (now Velocity/Poseiden) external pumps because they ARE silent. Not a popular pump for some because it adds some heat to your water. The T4 will give you 1080 gph at 10'
http://www.bluelineaquatics.com/products/water_pump/velocity_chart.html
I ran a CSL T4 on my last 240g. Currently running a Poseiden T3 on my 180g. I also like it for it's small footprint.
Regarding the heat, just read on another thread today from another Velocity owner that pointing a fan at it on low speed helps reduce the amount of heat added to the water. I suppose the fan helps cool the pump down (since it's a water-cooled pump)
Regarding your pump, I've always used CSL (now Velocity/Poseiden) external pumps because they ARE silent. Not a popular pump for some because it adds some heat to your water. The T4 will give you 1080 gph at 10'
http://www.bluelineaquatics.com/products/water_pump/velocity_chart.html
I ran a CSL T4 on my last 240g. Currently running a Poseiden T3 on my 180g. I also like it for it's small footprint.
Regarding the heat, just read on another thread today from another Velocity owner that pointing a fan at it on low speed helps reduce the amount of heat added to the water. I suppose the fan helps cool the pump down (since it's a water-cooled pump)
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