Just ordered an H. Mag!

[D-Nak]

So its really mag season now :bounce1: sadly I'm a one mag guy. My next target is a blue/green haddoni/gig. I'll try to make a sand box for it.

Well, what's nice about mags is that they're like BTAs -- you can mix and match and have them all in the same system without risk of allelopathy. The general rule is that species that reproduce by cloning do well together. On the other hand, when mixing species together I hear of issues -- especially gigs and magnifica -- though it's all anecdotal.

 

[Reefahholic]

When I move to texas(if I do ) i'll make sure to stop by :dance:

Anytime!

 

[Reefahholic]

Well, what's nice about mags is that they're like BTAs -- you can mix and match and have them all in the same system without risk of allelopathy. The general rule is that species that reproduce by cloning do well together. On the other hand, when mixing species together I hear of issues -- especially gigs and magnifica -- though it's all anecdotal.

So Gigs can't split, only spawn.

I'm sure Mags split.

 

[M Woodhill]

So Gigs can't split, only spawn.

I'm sure Mags split.

gigs sure split. I didn't do it but a friend of mine did--cut a huge gig half and then he shared the gig with another guy. if a gig can survive a human splitting, it sure splits itself IMO. the key, as he said, is to cut even and fast

mags seem to be reacting very bad to cut. But vivid aquarium shares their success online. That's the only success I've heard about

 

[OrionN]

gigs sure split. I didn't do it but a friend of mine did--cut a huge gig half and then he shared the gig with another guy. if a gig can survive a human splitting, it sure splits itself IMO. the key, as he said, is to cut even and fast

mags seem to be reacting very bad to cut. But vivid aquarium shares their success online. That's the only success I've heard about

I think you got it backward. I think there are orcasional Gig survide the cut process, but not many. I think you will have a hard time (imposible) show 5 gigs that have been well documented that they was cut and survide. Just because someone said that they cut their Gig and have both survide without documentation does not count in my book.
Magnifica, on the other hand, have a lot of documentaions of natural splits and manual splits and survided. I myself documented the first Magnifica natural dividision here on RC years ago, 14 years ago I think. After several server upgrade, the thread have been lost in the lala land. I am sure my massive digital picture files still have the pictures some where

Bottom line is that Magnifica can be easy manually split. Not as easy as BTA, but they can. Gigantea on the other hand unlikly survide an cut. Best that you can hope for is to have one of the two survide. D-Nak have a 1/2 Gig that survided and thrive for aobut 1 year only do died in his tank. His disection of the anemone after death indicated that they did not regenerate the inner organs to become whole again. Maybe he can chime in here.

 

[M Woodhill]

I think you got it backward. I think there are orcasional Gig survide the cut process, but not many. I think you will have a hard time (imposible) show 5 gigs that have been well documented that they was cut and survide. Just because someone said that they cut their Gig and have both survide without documentation does not count in my book.
Magnifica, on the other hand, have a lot of documentaions of natural splits and manual splits and survided. I myself documented the first Magnifica natural dividision here on RC years ago, 14 years ago I think. After several server upgrade, the thread have been lost in the lala land. I am sure my massive digital picture files still have the pictures some where

Bottom line is that Magnifica can be easy manually split. Not as easy as BTA, but they can. Gigantea on the other hand unlikly survide an cut. Best that you can hope for is to have one of the two survide. D-Nak have a 1/2 Gig that survided and thrive for aobut 1 year only do died in his tank. His disection of the anemone after death indicated that they did not regenerate the inner organs to become whole again. Maybe he can chime in here.

There were few experienced reefers in China who, as they claimed, sometimes cut and share big gigs. Basically they all survived. They said they cut mags but none survived.

Mags sure split by itself but cut it half seems to be very traumatic to it. I don't remember anyone else had the success except for vivid aquarium.

 

[Reefahholic]

Do you have the link for vivid aquarium with the successful manual split.

I'm fixing to frag one of my mags.

I know that vivid also tried to frag one and it died.

 

[D-Nak]

There were few experienced reefers in China who, as they claimed, sometimes cut and share big gigs. Basically they all survived. They said they cut mags but none survived.

Mags sure split by itself but cut it half seems to be very traumatic to it. I don't remember anyone else had the success except for vivid aquarium.

I would NOT believe anyone who states that they've cut gigs with success, but haven't done so with mags. That's a HUGE red flag in terms of credibility.

Though this doesn't support the theory, it does refute your statements -- Vivid's cut mag was not a success. It died a few months after cutting. I was in the shop about a month ago and talked to Dave about it. He wasn't shy about discussing it, and merely shrugged his shoulders when I asked him what went wrong. He's a smart guy and wouldn't do anything on a whim so I believe he thought it wouldn't be an issue at all.

Regarding cut gigs, here's the thread on mine:

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2289406

To summarize, it did well for about 9 months, then suddenly died. And I confirmed that its internals did not regenerate as it only had one siphonoglyph.

When I see threads even discussing the possibility of cutting gigs, I quickly try to refute any claims of success to prevent anyone else from trying it in hopes that they can say that they did it too. Force propagation of S. gigantea is not possible. Show me documented proof of success and I will eat my words.

 

[Reefahholic]

Got it...check it out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z6kSRws7z0&sns=em


Sent from my iPhone

 

[D-Nak]

Got it...check it out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z6kSRws7z0&sns=em


Sent from my iPhone

I've been trying to find the discussion about it dying, but I can't. If you find any information, can you post it?

 

[OrionN]

Flighty fragged her magnifica. Last update was more than 20 months after she cut it up, doing well. Here was the thread:
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1455935

 

[M Woodhill]

I had a brown gig which, when I purchased it, was said to be half of a big one. I guess I posted some pix back in 2010 but I didnt see they cut it

 

[D-Nak]

Vivid just responded on their YouTube channel:

"They lived for four months and ate out of their new mouths actually. But a new employee did water change and left them above water line too long and stressed them out and died. Was mad and sad about it since it was preventable but we can only move forward and learn."

Good to know that it wasn't a direct result of the propagation process. It reaffirms my belief that it is possible.

BTW, here's a photo of my mag that's manually splitting:

Notice that it already has two mouths? I would loooooove to see a single photo of this occurring with gigantea.

 

[bjledbetter]

Reefahholic you can send some of those mags this way. It's nearly imposable for me to get one here in Tn. And the ones I do find look like crap already at the store and most well beyond saving. I love the one I do have though.

 

[acesq]

I was a little late so did not get him. Wonder who did?

I got him! It seems I've picked up a bit of an anemone virus myself! I have a mag finishing QT now, I gave him the cipro treatment when I saw him deflating at night a few days in a row while in my frag/observation tank. He responded immediately and has not deflated since the first day I started treatment. If he had an infection, it was mild. I'll put him back in the frag tank and put the new one in the QT for observation and treatment if necessary.

 

[bjledbetter]

How often do mags split? I've followed RC and a few other sites for a couple years now and maybe see one or two threads about natural splits a year. Mines going on 2 years in my DT and over foot wide. It gets fed raw table shrimp weekly in hope that it will keep growing and eventually divide on its own as i'll never try to frag it.

 

[OrionN]

I got him! It seems I've picked up a bit of an anemone virus myself! I have a mag finishing QT now, I gave him the cipro treatment when I saw him deflating at night a few days in a row while in my frag/observation tank. He responded immediately and has not deflated since the first day I started treatment. If he had an infection, it was mild. I'll put him back in the frag tank and put the new one in the QT for observation and treatment if necessary.

Love to see you post picture of him when you have him. Show us some of your anemone(s)

 

[Reefahholic]

I've been trying to find the discussion about it dying, but I can't. If you find any information, can you post it?

Yeah, I googled for it too. They must have removed it.

How long before it died..Do you know?

How many documented mags have been successfully fragged?

 

[Reefahholic]

Reefahholic you can send some of those mags this way. It's nearly imposable for me to get one here in Tn. And the ones I do find look like crap already at the store and most well beyond saving. I love the one I do have though.

Sorry to hear that. Maybe I can ship you one soon. Bet mine will be healthier. I put a little Cipro in the bag for the ride. ~

 

[Reefahholic]

Well, I'm sure glad he was due to a water change.

Vivid just responded on their YouTube channel:

"They lived for four months and ate out of their new mouths actually. But a new employee did water change and left them above water line too long and stressed them out and died. Was mad and sad about it since it was preventable but we can only move forward and learn."

Good to know that it wasn't a direct result of the propagation process. It reaffirms my belief that it is possible.

BTW, here's a photo of my mag that's manually splitting:

Notice that it already has two mouths? I would loooooove to see a single photo of this occurring with gigantea.

That's awesome D-Nak! Two mouths...he should be split soon.