Kalkwasser: talk me out of stopping it

cardiffgiant

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I started dosing kalkwasser in my ATO a few years ago when regular water changes weren't keeping up with demand. When fully saturated kalk wasn't enough, I started dosing 2 part in addition to kalk.

I dose 2 part recipe 1. I like recipe 1 because the baked baking soda dissolves more easily than "raw" baking soda. I dose with digital timers and drews doser pumps, adding each 10 times per day on alternating hours.

So, I'm doing both because 1) I have kalk and 2) it's just evolved that way. Other than the concern with the temporary change in chemistry, or a difference in cost, why wouldn't I discontinue the kalk?
 
Only thing I can think of would be the interruption in stability you might experience. Kalkwasser provides that stable pH every time it's dosed and helps to boost dkh. A temporary dip could cause stress, loss of coloration, growth, etc when discussing SPS.

That's my doomsday attempt at talking you out of it Ben.
 
Ahhhhh gotcha...I read Cullys post too closely.

Hmmm....maybe time to start this! I've had a jug of Kalk for 2 yrs and never attempted. Thx for putting me straight as I always tied dosing Kalk with those w/ SPS dom. tanks.
 
It is the backbone of stability. The 2 part helps maintain, but if ph and dkh are off, you can have false/skewed parameter readings. If you already have a system in place, keep it going.
 
I would continue doing what you do, your corals are literally growing out of the water. don't fix it if its not broke. Ive been doing 2 part only for the life of my reef never really cared for the results i got by itself.
Im starting over with not much demand. I'm now about to do exactly as you water changes,then as demand increases switch to kalk, and then as demand increases again add in 2 part .
 
That's a pretty compelling argument :lol:

Do you feel like kalk/2 part combo provides any advantage over just doing 2 part?
  • Kalk is a simple, one part "balanced" addition
  • No salinity creep as is often experienced in dosing of larger amounts of 2-part
  • Potential precipitation of Phosphates
  • Great medium for win-win carbon dosing (vinegar increasese Kalk concentration and provides carbon source in the form of Calcium Acetate.)
 
I have been dosing with 2 part ,to start kalk in my ato, should I stop the 2 part?or do you just start to add the kalk at a low dose and build?
 
Dan, The kalk( calcium hydroxide addition) should be offset by an equivalent reduction in 2 part unless you want calcium and alkalinity to be higher.
 
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I would recommend starting with the kalk. Use fully saturated limewater to replace evaporated water, take regular calcium and dKH readings and figure out how much two part you need to add from there.
 
Thanks guys! I am convinced to stick with it. There is a lot of great feedback here, these are some of the main reasons that I'm going to keep doing it:

  • No salinity creep like you get with 2-part
  • It's an easy option for carbon dosing, which I'm doing with vinegar in the kalk
  • Favorable experience from others that use both (why fix it if it ain't broke)

For those that are using both kalk and 2 part, are you using recipe 1 or recipe 2?
 
I use recipe 2 but that was kind of a mistake. I just assumed since I used kalk that I would need recipe 2 since I didn't have a ph test when I ordered. After I got a ph test I found out I was borderline. Since I am not at the point were I continuously need to use the 2 part, I am not worried. I mainly use the 2 part to boost my numbers after water changes. I think I am getting close to exceeding the demand of kalk though, so I might have to start dosing it more - I just started keeping an eye on this recently.

If I start needing to dose more often, I will also have to figure out if recipe 2 is the right option. I believe the BRS recipe 2 instructions say ph over 8.3 requires recipe 2 usage.
 
Other than the concern with the temporary change in chemistry, or a difference in cost, why wouldn't I discontinue the kalk?

I posted this last night but the server for rc went out , So here it is.

Many aquarists run nice systems without kalk via 2 part or a calcium reactor . Many use combinations of these techniques . It isn't necessary to use calacim hydroxide(kalk) ;but ,it's my favorite way to dose calcium and alkalinity.

I've been dosing kalk for about 6 years . My sps dominant aquariums have never done better than the last 3+ years with kalk as the primary alkalinity and calcium supplement . I have always done regulalr water changes which also add calcium and alkalinity as well as a small tweak with baked baking soda for a little extra alk (1 tablespoon every 5 days or so).
Earlier I used a caclium reactor with kalk dosing . That worked well for a while but ph continued to be an issue and I became mildy concerned about potential impurites from the CA CO3( aragonite media); it has been off line for more than 3 years now. As a new guy begging to learn and apply reef chemistry , I used two part( calcium chloride and calcium carbonate) but never got the balance right ,alternating between highs and lows and some precipitation. Kalk dosed as clear fully saturated ( 2 tsps per gallon of top off) from a still reservoir via peristaltic pump which provides small increments over 24/7 keeps up nicely with all of the calcium demand and about 95% of the alkalinity demand.

Other than the concern with the temporary change in chemistry, or a difference in cost, why wouldn't I discontinue the kalk?

All the changes in chemistry are not temporary. To iterate some already noted inthe posts above and mention a few more:To maintain calcium and alk levels an equivalent amount of additional two part will be needed to make up for that no longer provided by kalk.

Ph will drop even if extra baked baking soda is used. Calcium hydroxide ( kalk) disassociates in water .The free hydroxide snatches up CO2 to make carbonate. The CO2 in the water is thus reduced. More CO2 = lower ph ,as it shifts the carbonate ratio toward bicarbonate and carbonic acid ;away from carbonate; thus, lowering the ph and buffering capacity.

Long term use of calcium chloride( the calcium part of two part) will skew the chloride: sulfate raito in favor of chloride and off natural sea water ratios . Water changes and some magnesium sulfate for a portion mag dosing can offset this.

Kalk is self purifying. Impurities precipitate in the high ph of the kalkwasser( limewater) and settle in the slurry. Calcium chloride has impurites and , some marketed as trace elements in commercial two parts and some deliberately adding like a bit of magnesium. I've never found a pure calcium chloride, though many have levels of impurity deemed "acceptable".
 
Ugh. I used Kalkwasser on my last setup (LPS) when I didn't have the knowledge or means to use 2-part. I thought going to 2 part was an "upgrade" so I wouldn't have to deal with Kalkwasser anymore. Now that I've spent the last 6 months reading about 2 part and shopping for equipment on my new system (mixed/SPS), it looks like I need to re-think this paradigm.
 
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