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[Scorpius]

When increasing intensity, how do you know when to stop? Do you basically find a point that stresses the corals and drop a few percentage points below that point?


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Personally I watch my coral a lot and I know when intensity is affecting them. I use three Kessil A360we's so I should know with the closet full of dead coral from too much intensity. :lol:

If you're getting good growth and color at whatever intensity you're at then you know.

 

[slief]

When increasing intensity, how do you know when to stop? Do you basically find a point that stresses the corals and drop a few percentage points below that point?


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Exactly. The corals will tell you. You find the spot and step back a few points and then wait several weeks and try increasing a bit more if you are inclined or leave well enough alone.

 

[mfaso24]

Personally I watch my coral a lot and I know when intensity is affecting them. I use three Kessil A360we's so I should know with the closet full of dead coral from too much intensity. :lol:

If you're getting good growth and color at whatever intensity you're at then you know.

I'm about 7 months into my first sps tank. How would you describe "good growth". Being that it's my first and only sps tank it's hard to judge when I have nothing to compare to.


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[Scorpius]

I'm about 7 months into my first sps tank. How would you describe "good growth". Being that it's my first and only sps tank it's hard to judge when I have nothing to compare to.


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If you have polyp extension, no browned out sps, and any growth, imo then you're doing something right. Some coral grow an inch a month and some an inch a year.

There is no industry accepted standard on what is acceptable growth. Each tank is different with lighting being one component of many in a successful reef.

 

[MHG]

I'm about 7 months into my first sps tank. How would you describe "good growth". Being that it's my first and only sps tank it's hard to judge when I have nothing to compare to.


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Changes in your alk and calc consumption are the best way to indicate how much growth your getting. A couple of frags wont do much, but if you have a bunch of frags and they are all growing, you should have your consumption rate increasing regularly.

Take pictures and compare as well...

 

[mfaso24]

Changes in your alk and calc consumption are the best way to indicate how much growth your getting. A couple of frags wont do much, but if you have a bunch of frags and they are all growing, you should have your consumption rate increasing regularly.



Take pictures and compare as well...

Yeah I'm always taking pictures to compare over time. I guess I'm doing something right according to everyone [emoji3]


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[Confuse]

For those of you with AP 700's, how is your coral coloration? Specifically, red corals? I have yet to stack my tank with corals since I got my lights. Just wondering how you're linking the color.

Currently, the left side of the color wheel doesn't incorporate the red and green leds and when I adjust the red and green leds in the setpoints, my intensity gets turned down to 70% max.

Any opinions?

 

[Salty150]

For those of you with AP 700's, how is your coral coloration? Specifically, red corals? I have yet to stack my tank with corals since I got my lights. Just wondering how you're linking the color.

Currently, the left side of the color wheel doesn't incorporate the red and green leds and when I adjust the red and green leds in the setpoints, my intensity gets turned down to 70% max.

Any opinions?

I thought you weren't supposed to use red and green in a reef tank?

 

[Confuse]

I thought you weren't supposed to use red and green in a reef tank?

Ideally, you'd use a neutral white led to cover the red spectrum, but not many manufacturers do, so they supplement cool whites with red leds. I don't like it, but that's how they do it. It's just a way to accomplish the same thing in a different way. But green and red leds are harder to mix so you'll get the disco effect.

 

[Salty150]

Well according to Red Sea:

NOTE: Red and Green wavelengths are not recommended for use in Reef systems as they may promote the outbreak of unwanted Algae or Cyanobacteria.

 

[vhuang168]

I've talked to Kessil reps and they say the red green is mainly for visual. They were included because many complained the Kessil lights were too blue.

Corals don't really use that side of the spectrum. I don't touch them at all.


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[mfaso24]

I've talked to Kessil reps and they say the red green is mainly for visual. They were included because many complained the Kessil lights were too blue.

Corals don't really use that side of the spectrum. I don't touch them at all.


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+1


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[HippieSmell]

Does anyone know what the spectrum chart is for the different settings on the ap700?

 

[shred5]

I've talked to Kessil reps and they say the red green is mainly for visual. They were included because many complained the Kessil lights were too blue.

Corals don't really use that side of the spectrum. I don't touch them at all.


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See while technically that is true it is also not true.

People focus to much on the light spectrum of chlorophyll for corals. We focus so much on par but it is the spectrum outside of par that causes allot of the colors in corals especially red and UV. This is why LEDs fail for so many with sps corals, they run them way too blue.

This really only affects mainly shallow water corals which are allot of the sps kept in the hobby come from. The corals from shallow water are bombarded all day with UV, green, red, yellow etc spectrum's of light. These shallow water corals have overtime built up UV and color blocking proteins and pigments. They also have proteins and pigments that change the colors of light to more useful ones. These pigments and proteins are what cause the color in sps.

Spectrum of light like red are actually bad for corals and has been proven.. But that is why corals can block it.

People like the blue pop but for allot of sps this will cause them too loose colors if you turn down the other spectrum's of light.

You have to ask why the rush to add UV spectrum in leds?

 

[vhuang168]

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See while technically that is true it is also not true.

People focus to much on the light spectrum of chlorophyll for corals. We focus so much on par but it is the spectrum outside of par that causes allot of the colors in corals especially red and UV. This is why LEDs fail for so many with sps corals, they run them way too blue.

This really only affects mainly shallow water corals which are allot of the sps kept in the hobby come from. The corals from shallow water are bombarded all day with UV, green, red, yellow etc spectrum's of light. These shallow water corals have overtime built up UV and color blocking proteins and pigments. They also have proteins and pigments that change the colors of light to more useful ones. These pigments and proteins are what cause the color in sps.

Spectrum of light like red are actually bad for corals and has been proven.. But that is why corals can block it.

People like the blue pop but for allot of sps this will cause them too loose colors if you turn down the other spectrum's of light.

You have to ask why the rush to add UV spectrum in leds?

And that's why there is white to allow you to mix in. There really is no reason the add a red color specifically when you have white. The only reason is to show the red pigments more but that would mean the pigments are already there. By your argument, any red corals I put into my tank will not have much red and will be more blue dominant and that is not the case.

The rush to add UV is because it is NOT filtered out of the water like reds are.

LEDs DO NOT fail for so many sps corals. I have yet to see a specific sps coral that doesn't flourish in a tank lit only by LEDs. Many ATTEMPTS to use leds have failed but there can be many reasons and not pinned solely on the use of LEDs.

Any argument about change in coloration in corals due to LED light shouldn't be restricted to SPS only. If it affects SPS, it should affect ALL corals.

Besides, people have run only 20k Ushios for ages and that has not caused any changes in color. Unless you are saying there is extra red n green in 20k mh bulbs!

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[shred5]

And that's why there is white to allow you to mix in. There really is no reason the add a red color specifically when you have white. The only reason is to show the red pigments more but that would mean the pigments are already there. By your argument, any red corals I put into my tank will not have much red and will be more blue dominant and that is not the case.

The rush to add UV is because it is NOT filtered out of the water like reds are.

LEDs DO NOT fail for so many sps corals. I have yet to see a specific sps coral that doesn't flourish in a tank lit only by LEDs. Many ATTEMPTS to use leds have failed but there can be many reasons and not pinned solely on the use of LEDs.

Any argument about change in coloration in corals due to LED light shouldn't be restricted to SPS only. If it affects SPS, it should affect ALL corals.

Besides, people have run only 20k Ushios for ages and that has not caused any changes in color. Unless you are saying there is extra red n green in 20k mh bulbs!

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No that is not what I am saying about red.
Most leds have red spectrum now anyway and I do not want to turn this into a led debate... My point is just dont use too much blue the other spectrum's count for corals that come from shallower water and are exposed to more of a full spectrum.
I think you need to read Dana Riddles newer articles on coral pigments.

 

[HippieSmell]

Since there's all this talk of spectrum, does anyone know what spectrum the ap700 puts out at the different settings? I can't find the info anywhere and customer support hasn't responded to my request.

I appreciate it

 

[vhuang168]

Are you talking about kelvins? Kessil doesn't do specific kelvin spectrums. Or are you talking about what wavelengths they emit?


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[HippieSmell]

Are you talking about kelvins? Kessil doesn't do specific kelvin spectrums. Or are you talking about what wavelengths they emit?


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Wavelengths. The overall spectrum emmitted for each setting.

 

[mfaso24]

See while technically that is true it is also not true.

People focus to much on the light spectrum of chlorophyll for corals. We focus so much on par but it is the spectrum outside of par that causes allot of the colors in corals especially red and UV. This is why LEDs fail for so many with sps corals, they run them way too blue.

This really only affects mainly shallow water corals which are allot of the sps kept in the hobby come from. The corals from shallow water are bombarded all day with UV, green, red, yellow etc spectrum's of light. These shallow water corals have overtime built up UV and color blocking proteins and pigments. They also have proteins and pigments that change the colors of light to more useful ones. These pigments and proteins are what cause the color in sps.

Spectrum of light like red are actually bad for corals and has been proven.. But that is why corals can block it.

People like the blue pop but for allot of sps this will cause them too loose colors if you turn down the other spectrum's of light.

You have to ask why the rush to add UV spectrum in leds?

I have to disagree a little on this. When you go diving, the coloration of corals is actually much bleaker in comparison to what we have in our tanks.


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