Learning/rebuilding from my epic fail

Mark! Let's see that caroliniana!! Post it up!

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It's tiny but so far so good.
 
One last frag to post..
Another stunning blue coral.. Getting darker still.. Not particularly uncommon but I love the blue!
Thanks raja!


Bulent, I will attempt another fts very soon, I promise!
Now that I have gone fully back to old fashioned methods of reef keeping (skimming, cheato fuge and dsb)... Except for the bacteria additions, I want to get a fts up as a 'day one' type of thing..

Thank Matt. I am looking forward to it. Your A. gomezi is very nice by the way.

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Damn sexy!!!!! But it looks to me more like echinata than caroliniana..
I've never seen such a blue caroliniana...
I must have one....

Grown under Radiums, so we'll see what happens under T5. 2 of the 3 new frags have encrusted a bit, this one has not. I have a Jacquelinea that never encrusts either so this might be normal but makes me a bit nervous.
 
Grown under Radiums, so we'll see what happens under T5. 2 of the 3 new frags have encrusted a bit, this one has not. I have a Jacquelinea that never encrusts either so this might be normal but makes me a bit nervous.

I have a wild Acropora nasuta, which has become a colony from a small frag. It has not encrusted either. It only covered the putty used to attach it to LR. I would not worry too much. My staghorns never encrusted either.
 
Caroliniana, Jacquelinea.. Tricky, finicky corals... Like so many of the deep waters..
Good luck with them!
Generally, try to keep your tank temp. a little cooler.. The deep waters like that..
 
Caroliniana, Jacquelinea.. Tricky, finicky corals... Like so many of the deep waters..
Good luck with them!
Generally, try to keep your tank temp. a little cooler.. The deep waters like that..

Matt,

I think the notion of so-called "deep water acroporas" may be a misnomer. I do not think we can generalise certain acropora sp. as "deep water" because two specimen of the same coral can be found in different depths. A good example is Acropora granulosa.

I posted a similar comment on Leonardo's tank thread a while ago He concurred with me.

It is true that some smooth skinned acroporas may indeed need low light conditions, but not all. My Acropora lokani and granulosa, for example, look brown if I raise my light unit. They require a minimum of 350 mmol/m2/sec to start to show their vivid colours.

Cheers

Bulent
 
Gonna be in canada in a few months Matt i should pick frags from you, u have a nice collection going on.
 
It is true that some smooth skinned acroporas may indeed need low light conditions, but not all. My Acropora lokani and granulosa, for example, look brown if I raise my light unit. They require a minimum of 350 mmol/m2/sec to start to show their vivid colours.

Cheers

Bulent

Interesting. My Lokani is under 280 PAR and is a decent uniform purple/blue but nothing spectacular.
 
Matt,

I think the notion of so-called "deep water acroporas" may be a misnomer. I do not think we can generalise certain acropora sp. as "deep water" because two specimen of the same coral can be found in different depths. A good example is Acropora granulosa.

I posted a similar comment on Leonardo's tank thread a while ago He concurred with me.

It is true that some smooth skinned acroporas may indeed need low light conditions, but not all. My Acropora lokani and granulosa, for example, look brown if I raise my light unit. They require a minimum of 350 mmol/m2/sec to start to show their vivid colours.

Cheers

Bulent

Absolutely, Bulent, I won't disagree with you..
I'm surprised about the lokani in your tank because I would personally classify it as a true deep water species- granulosa, not so much.. I'm certainly no expert on where these different species come from, however..
Species like lokani, suharsonoi, Caroliniana, echinata I though actually did come from deeper waters.. But I guess if they are cultured, they have acclimated to shallow waters..
So, ultimately one can't really be too sure about any coral unless you spoke to the collector of the coral and he/she told you where it came from...

Gonna be in canada in a few months Matt i should pick frags from you, u have a nice collection going on.

Dan, where in Canada will you be visiting? If you and I are lucky, in a few months some of my frags will be fraggable... Maybe.. :)

Interesting. My Lokani is under 280 PAR and is a decent uniform purple/blue but nothing spectacular.

It's tough placing corals.. So many variables play a part in having them thrive as opposed to just do well.. A par meter must help though! I think it's difficult to really tell how a coral will do before it starts growing.. I think it's the new growth that gives you the best indication of its happiness..
 
Species like lokani, suharsonoi, Caroliniana, echinata I though actually did come from deeper waters.. But I guess if they are cultured, they have acclimated to shallow waters..
So, ultimately one can't really be too sure about any coral unless you spoke to the collector of the coral and he/she told you where it came from...

I agree.

I have compiled the following for information (Source: Charlie Veron):

Acropora lokani

Acropora granulosa

Acropora caroliniana

Acropora suharsonoi

Acropora echinata

For others please refer to this list.
 
Thanks Bulent.. Very interesting.. From the list you posted, only suharsonoi is really found at lower levels.. According to veron
 
Shading from flow and light by other acros allow all the so called deep water acros to happily exist in the same shallow water most of the SPS is collected from. The term deep water is more suited to the fragile and delicate growth form these acros have than where they are actually sourced from.
If collectors actually had to dive 'deep' (over 10-15 mtrs) to find nice acros they would cost a lot more than $15 to $25- a piece/colony that most pieces wholesale to the shops here for. ;)
 
That's only when you have great over hanging Biggles mother colonies!
It's tough to use a 1inch frag to shade another one inch frag... Like in my case..

Also, in deeper tanks, there's such a par drop off that putting the 'deepwaters' down low - even if they do get full light, they are probably fine..
 
Hm. That's an issue.. Vancouver is as far from Montreal as Chula Vista is from New York..
It's a small detour. :)
 
Now that I have gone fully back to old fashioned methods of reef keeping (skimming, cheato fuge and dsb)... Except for the bacteria additions, I want to get a fts up as a 'day one' type of thing..

I'll be interested to hear how you make out, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised... right now I'm running nothing but a skimmer. No carbon, GFO, biopellets, DSB, or macro algae. No additions of any bacterial or seeding additives. I haven't even done a water change in two or three months (I have a very very small bioload and feed very lightly), and things haven't looked better. I do have some green cyano however. Who knows if this is sustainable long term, but I plan on finding out!
 
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