Lets talk about "Radioactive Green Dragon Eyes" for just a minute.....

[SIR PATRICK]

I am sure most of us reefers know what "Radioactive Green Dragon Eyes" are, but for those that dont know- these are them, from my understanding at least-

http://zoaid.com/index.php?module=Gallery2&g2_itemId=270

Now- These have been a named polyp for a really long time. Really really long time. It has become one of the most common, but colorful, polyps in the trade, right? Most commonly collected in Indonesia, right??

My question-

Are all these polyps that we have now 'a days, commonly called and labeled "Radioactive Green Dragon Eyes" still radioactive green dragon eyes? They were not directly from the the person who labeled them this name, and were most likely collected wild recently, or even from a generation or 10 from a wild colony from a local hobbiest. There is no "Lineage".

They look and act like "Radioactive Green Dragon Eyes", were collected from the area of "Radioactive Green Dragon Eyes" and act like "Radioactive Green Dragon Eyes"-

Can, or should they still be ABLE to be called Radioactive dragon eyes? Or since there is no "lineage" and they didnt come from the PERSON who named them, are they something different?????? Are they no longer a Green polyp, with green skirt, that can be very bright, I should say, radioactive bright, collected in the Indonesian reefs, that has gained the common name "Radioactive Green Dragon Eyes"?????'

Looking to hear what those who call polyps by the names they have been given think on the subject.

As far as a name goes, that has been commonly accepted long ago, on a polyp that has been described this way for many many years-

Is it commonly accepted as a "Radioactive Green Dragon Eye"? does it matter if it was wild collected, gotten free from a freind, or have direct lineage from the original person who named it, years ago? Or does the name only count if the Frag or colony came directly from the person who named the very common, and commonly collected "Radioactive Green Dragon Eye"? Is it still a "Radioactive Green Dragon Eye" if you have no idea where it came from, other than where it has been collected, and looks identical?

I know what I think about these common bright green polyps- but want to hear what others think also, as far as their common "Dubbed" name goes.

 

[Nicodemayo]

Honestly dude, being that these are probably the most common zoa in the trade, I don't think anyone cares enough about these zoas to be specific as to whether or not to call them radioactive green dragon eyes, let alone be picky about their lineage and original origin... I've heard a ton of names for these common things, and I'm sure no one will know for sure exactly what they looked like when they were first imported. Bottom line, names seem to vary on all sorts of zoas and you can call them whatever you want. Like just about every coral, there are slight variations in each depending on the conditions of their origin, even among the same species, but names are names, and especially in among the fans of zoas and palys, names are mostly hype. These are common green zoas to me and will always be, even despite slight variations between different lineages and locales...

 

[SIR PATRICK]

Nico- thats what I was thinking......looking forward to hearing what others think!

Lets say we make it a bit broader......and say it was devils armor. Same colors, hues, pattern and all. Still the same idea?

 

[Jarred1]

If they look the same then they should be called the same name. If someone named each new polyp that looked the same as the others then there would be way to many names out there.

 

[Reef Bass]

As a short cut for describing "Green polyp, with green skirt, that can be very bright", names like "dragon eyes" can be useful. Same for "devils armor", if that's the term people wish to use. If all polyps could be described using a standardized, not overly hype laden set of terms, then relating to others what your polyps look like would be easier. And it would cut down on unscrupulous vendors making up extremely hyped terms to somehow make their "Green polyp, with green skirt, that can be very bright" polyps seem somehow different or worth paying quadruple for.

 

[Gamepro_inc]

Just one more example of what a NAME becomes once everyone has it and shows that the price is just an example of demand and if you stop demanding it the price will go down. Also on a side note I have 2 zoe colonies named the same name. I got the green ones about 5 years ago as one of my first pieces of coral and I got the orange ones as a freebie on an order I did with an online vendor labeled also radioactive dragoneyes.

 

[CCarlson]

I love and hate the old name game at the same time. It does make it easyer to mention exactly what color morph you are talking about, Eagle Eyes, RDE's, Whamn Watermellons, etc, are all very common, and certainly not coming from the same lineage. Just a name.

Although, it seems like some of the Acropora guys are stuck on the lineage aspect.

To me, its just colors. *shrug*

 

[SIR PATRICK]

Thx for the responces so far! Looking forward to hearing more opinions on the subject.

If a polyp isnt able to traced back to the original names, but looks exactly the same, does it deserve the label anyways?? Is this a commonly exepted practice, or is the name strickly for a polyp that can be traced back to the original?

 

[organism]

Most commonly collected in Indonesia, right??

Vietnam and Fiji

Are all these polyps that we have now 'a days, commonly called and labeled "Radioactive Green Dragon Eyes" still radioactive green dragon eyes? They were not directly from the the person who labeled them this name, and were most likely collected wild recently, or even from a generation or 10 from a wild colony from a local hobbiest. There is no "Lineage".

Can, or should they still be ABLE to be called Radioactive dragon eyes?

I think lineage only applies when someone's making money off of it and has a vested interest in keeping their greed well fed. I love this thread though, it's a great take one the line scammers draw between "those are just common green on green so they must be radioactive dragon eyes" and "these are lineaged to me because the skirts are 1/16" longer and the centers aren't blue they're turquoise aqua."

 

[MUCHO REEF]

Vietnam and Fiji



I think lineage only applies when someone's making money off of it and has a vested interest in keeping their greed well fed. I love this thread though, it's a great take one the line scammers draw between "those are just common green on green so they must be radioactive dragon eyes" and "these are lineaged to me because the skirts are 1/16" longer and the centers aren't blue they're turquoise aqua."

+1 :thumbsup:

 

[Mr. Microscope]

Yes..They're still RDE's. Period.

 

[SIR PATRICK]

Yes..They're still RDE's. Period.

Long time no see! I agree-

RDE's. Period. Thats how I thought it went.

 

[mighties_keeper]

Radio active dragon eyes, they may be common but still my fav.

 

[BillyC]

RDE IMO is just a term used to describe one of the most common zoas in the trade. We all know the look of them so we can all know what someone is talking about when the name is used. I believe lineage is only important in LE corals. Most LE corals are extremely unique and have very distinguishable characteristics although I agree that some also look very ordinary and common.

 

[SIR PATRICK]

Lets take this a step further.....and up the stakes.

What if we are talking about "Rastas"???

What if the skirts are a bit longer, or the heads are smaller, or the colors are the same, but either a bit duller or brighter in appearence? Are they still rastas? They look like rastas, act like rastas, grow like rastas.....but just cannot or will not be linked back t=o whoever originated the name rasta.

Are they Rastas??

 

[Jarred1]

Yes, they are still rastas. All corals will look a little different in different tanks because no two tanks are exactly the same.


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[Mr. Microscope]

Lets take this a step further.....and up the stakes.

What if we are talking about "Rastas"???

What if the skirts are a bit longer, or the heads are smaller, or the colors are the same, but either a bit duller or brighter in appearence? Are they still rastas? They look like rastas, act like rastas, grow like rastas.....but just cannot or will not be linked back t=o whoever originated the name rasta.

Are they Rastas??

RDE IMO is just a term used to describe one of the most common zoas in the trade. We all know the look of them so we can all know what someone is talking about when the name is used. I believe lineage is only important in LE corals. Most LE corals are extremely unique and have very distinguishable characteristics although I agree that some also look very ordinary and common.

The same zoas taken from the same colony placed in different conditions will look different. Lighting, flow, nutrition, etc. all play a part. Some zoas get longer skirts under more flow, or brighter colors under LED's, or super fat with the right feeding/water.

A rasta or red hornet can look super cool or like crap and have different value. It's like getting a classic 1963 Austin Healey 3000 that's been well taken care of and repainted and all shiny and attractive, or the same 1963 Austin Healey 3000 that's all rusted out and needs a new engine. One will clearly cost more than the other, but are still 1963 Austin Healey 3000's.

Vs.

(well, this one's actually a 1958, but you get the point)

 

[organism]

It's like getting a classic 1963 Austin Healey 3000 that's been well taken care of and repainted and all shiny and attractive, or the same 1963 Austin Healey 3000 that's all rusted out and needs a new engine. One will clearly cost more than the other, but are still 1963 Austin Healey 3000's.

imo for corals it would be that both cars are identical aside from the paint color. Browned out zoanthids don't need a new engine or money dropped into them, just some time to sit in a good system and develop a better paint job.

If it were corals the realistic price difference between two mint condition 1963 Austin Healy's, one with flawless paint and one with some rust that needs repainting, would be about 500-1,000%. I think a better analogy for corals is that one guy painted his Austin Healy to pass it off as a Rolls Royce and yells at anyone who says otherwise, with guys who were dumb enough to buy his "Rolls Royces" lending a hand with the idiocy