mag didn't seem responsive to cipro

Jamie1210

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First off, I apologize for the lack of pictures. In this case, Im sure it would have been more helpful to everyone. (Not really a picture-taker person, don't have a smart phone connected to internet, too lazy to bust out w/the digital camera, etc. but I digress!)

2 Sundays ago, I picked up what I thought was a green BTA at my LFS's bag sale. It wasn't until that I got it home and already put it in my tank did I realize that it was actually a ritteri. Green ritteri, 100% positive on the ID! I have 2 gigs in my display, and I crossed my fingers that it wouldn't be sick and infect my other nem's.

Unfortunately, by Day 2, the nem had already deflated. I decided not to take any chances and set up a QT for it. (Side note: thank GOODNESS other gigs are still healthy!). Good thing I did! Dosed cipro following Orion's sticky instructions, but at Day 2 of treatment, the mag was already deflated, mouth expelling a ton of stuff. As the treatment went on into Saturday, 5 days, it did not seem to be getting better, seemed to be getting worse. In fact, it remained deflated longer, expelling more and more stuff every day--dark rat poo pellets mixed with lighter stringy brown stuff, and it seemed to be losing its tentacles as well because I could see small neon green particles in the water as well. I figured it was a goner. Also, as a side note, the nem was never fully attached at this point. Only seemed like 2 sections of the foot was attached to the glass of hte QT tank, and the rest always sorta floated in the water, if that makes sense.

Well, I figured I had nothing to lose, and i remember other threads like Worm's, where his new gigantea did not seem responsive to cipro, maybe it had a bacterial infection that was cipro resistant? I had some erythromycin on hand to treat fish from API. 200 mg packets. I decided to do a 50% water change, and add in 1 packet at night when lights were off.

The next morning, not expecting much, the first thing I noticed was, wow! The mag planted its foot entirely down. Although the mouth was still a bit loose, it actually looked more like the "typical" ritteri shape, holding itself up. When I came home from work, the mouth had closed as well. I knew I wasn't out of the woods yet, but this seemed promising. I did another water change, siphoned out more of the excreted gunk and put in another 200 mg packet of erythromycin.

I check this morning, and there's still a little bit of gunk that it somehow excreted. But the mouth was tight and closed. I know I'm still not out of the woods yet, but I am cautiously optimistic. Let's see if I can take some pics tonight and get them up. Either way, if it goes downhill, or continues improving, I will keep u guys posted.

As a side note, if anyone remembers my older threads, the blue gigantea that I received 2 years ago is doing awesome, and the green gig from October is thriving as well :) I'm keeping them with rose anemones, and have never had a problem with alleopathy (sp?), which is strange bc I've always been a firm believer that that happens in tanks :p

thanks for reading this text-heavy post!
 
Good luck I hope It makes it. I treated 3 after I got my first one(got lucky and still have it) and lost them all. They truly are magnificent animals
 
Good luck I hope It makes it. I treated 3 after I got my first one(got lucky and still have it) and lost them all. They truly are magnificent animals

I see what you did there... Haha

To the OP, good luck and keep us updated. Nice to see more options for those with no luck with cipro. Cipro seems to have brought mine back.
 
That is good news that he is getting better. Tell us how you dose the erythromycin. That will be a huge help for people with anemones continue to go south with treatment
 
What is the total volume? So far 200 mg twice a day with water change?
Please be really specific in what you did so that other people can replicate it if needed
 
Thanks for sharing. I hope it works out.

And definitely outline what you did in detail, as Dr. Minh suggested. I think it's a good experiment to replicate (not that I'd want to as it would indicate that I was in possession of a nem that wasn't responded to Cipro).
 
the package on the erythromycin appear to say 1/10gals. However we would like the OP to tell us his procedure. btw, where the heck is he? lol :)
 
Thanks for the responses everyone. Man, I REALLY suck w/taking pics!! Forgot my camera in lab last night, but I will def. take pics tonight! Also, because I'd like to hear what ppl's opinions are as well.

So, yesterday, went home, and noticed that brown stringy stuff is again all around its tentacles. But the mouth was closed.

This morning, again, brown stringy stuff with tiny bits of green pieces mixed in (not much, maybe 4or 5??). But again, what throws me off is, the mouth is closed.

I don't *think* it's coming from the 'nem internally bc the mouth is tight as can be. I will def. take pics of this when I get home. It has never 100% inflated (either that, or it's just a smaller ritteri...maybe about 4 inches big). Man, if it wasn't for all this brown stuff being sloughed off/attached to its tentacles, I would think it was good to put in the display.

I'm tentatively thinking the erythromycin is helping w/the tight mouth/lack of deflation lately, but I'm really puzzled as to what the brown stringy stuff being constantly sloughed off is. I even checked that the nem is not dying/rotting ... there are no rotting pieces falling off!
 
In terms of my set up, here is the info:

SG: 1.025
Lighting: Par38 bulb shining directly on nem.
Flow: HOB aquaclear filter (forgot the model, will take a look tonight)
10 gallon AGA tank
Temp: 78 degrees

H2O change every other day from DT

Dosed cipro for 5 days, 250 mg every night at lights off, nem seemed to be getting worse, not better in terms of deflating a lot, gaping mouth, exerting that classic "rat poo", sloughing off thick, brown stringy stuff with occasional bits of green tentacles mixed in as well

Changed to erythromycin, 200 mg/packet, 1 packet every night, on 3rd dosage. Still H2O change every other night.

Nem is fully attached to glass, mouth has been tight since beginning of this treatment. However, still sloughing off a ton of that thick brown stringy stuff.

Yes, yes, pics are worth a thousand words, i know! Pics tonight for sure!! lol :p
 
does the brown thing look like this?
 

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hmm... not quite... the stuff i'm getting is a bit darker, thick, but on the stringy side.... judging by your pic, yours seems more gelatinous
 
Typically you'll see sloughing of tissue from the base of the nem. It's almost as if the nem is shedding a layer of skin. It's brown and stringy, and may sometimes gets caught on the tentacles. This happens when a nem moves or is acclimating. I'm wondering if that's what you're seeing. It could also be poop. Healthy nems poop brown stringy stuff as well. It's hard to describe in words, but the two are different. Nem poops looks more like stringy gel, sloughing tissue more like dirty, thin wet plastic. Sorry -- that's the best I can do.
 
Normal slime looks like when you spit really phlegmmy. All guys have hocked a phlegm ball into the toilet will taking a leak (don't deny it) you know how it spreads through the water as long strings of clear but holds together? That's the stuff D-nak is talking about.

Man my description was worse that's for sure.
 
Description was right on the mark. LOL

Or the stuff kids spit out when no one wants them to, on the sidewalk, and you have to walk over it.
 
LOL... We all could come up with our opinions of what it is like... I thought of it as a condom rolling up. What ever we think of, we can all agree it's the outer layer it's sloughing off, it rolls up, gets dirty/starts decomposing, etc. In and of itself, not a bad thing, as long as the nem continues to improve and the snot strand is removed in a timely manor. On the half dozen I've rehabed the last year, most, or all of them that I can recall have done this. It usually stops after the first couple days, while the nem continues to improve.

Thanks for trying this Jamie. I've lost only a couple gigs that wouldn't respond to cipro, and they were quite rich in color from the beginning. I'm interested in seeing some pics. Jamie, in person, how would you say the color is? Bleached, or does it have a lot of zoo inside?
 
pictures! finally!

pictures! finally!

Here we go!

Here is last night at lights on. The mouth I noticed was not open exactly, but sort of loosely puckered, if that makes any sense.



This is how it looked like this morning, lights off. The mouth is back to tightly closed again. I believe the color could be a bit darker, but to answer some questions, I don't believe it's bleached badly at all.



This is the stuff that it is sloughing off. not sure ... I think it fits the Pheglm description that you guys were talking about! :p lol Notice that there are some bits of green tentacles in there still :( For sure that's not a good sign.






Have not seen it deflate since last week, which must be a good sign ... but what in the world is making it slough off all that stuff? Come this Sunday, it would be in my care for 2 weeks now.

LMK what you guys think. Thanks!
 
He looks pretty good for a sick anemone. Need to take picture when he looks his best and when he looks his worst every day. Having these pictures, you will be able to judge if he is getting better or not.
 
Thanks a lot for the comments. The nem looks like this in the morning before I leave for work, and when I come back home in the evening. Does not deflate at all ...or, at least not in the hours that I am at home. (Should probably do one of those webcam things that Worm set up wit his gig! haha)

I don't want to risk (at least not right now) putting him in my DT with my giganteas while he's still excreting all that gunk. Also, I think he LOOKS fine, but there's something still kinda "off" about him. I don't think a normal nem excretes that much gunk + tiny tentacles inside, y'know?

Hmm...for sure I will keep updating you guys for better or for worse. But in the meantime, assuming he keeps this up til who knows when, I'm going to settle for Saturday as the day when he gets put back in the DT. That way, I"ll be home to closely monitor him. Obviously, if he goes downhill between now and Sat., he's not going into the DT. I believe it's Day 4 of erythro now.
 
came back home, nem looked just like it did in the above pics ... still a lot of that same brown stuff complete with green tentacle bits.
 
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