Male mandarin attacking the female.

rt67ghy

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I've had a fully grown male mandarin for 1 year, 4 months. It is fat and healthy feeding on pods in my system. Recently I added a mature female of almost the same size to the tank. The male started to bully it and I had to separate them. Here are 2 pics. The first pic shows the new (female) mandarin with its short dorsal fin and the second shows the male. Anyone who has experience of keeping a mandarin pair please tell me why this happened.

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The males need to be larger than the females.
Females usually won't accept an equally or smaller sized male as a spawning partner.
If the size relation isn't right they may fight if the male gets pushy.
I had this with my pair in the beginning when they where equal in size. The male wanted to mate but the female refused. I my case it was the female who attacked the male. It took a few months for the male to grow larger and now they are spawning all the time.
 
When I try to pair Mandarin, I always get the female first. Sometime male lost their spike in fighting and look identical to female until the spike grow out again. This happened to me several time, buying a female and after a few week, she turn out to be a he.
 
I have had larger female relentlessly attached a smaller male. Seeing this, I doubt that adding two females to a tank will work.
I would really be interested in ThRoewer experience in adding the second female to the tank.
 
The males need to be larger than the females.
Females usually won't accept an equally or smaller sized male as a spawning partner.
If the size relation isn't right they may fight if the male gets pushy.
I had this with my pair in the beginning when they where equal in size.

This may be the case in my case. The female looks to be the same size. I didn't expect the male would refuse her. Thanks for sharing your experience.
 
Sometime male lost their spike in fighting and look identical to female until the spike grow out again. This happened to me several time, buying a female and after a few week, she turn out to be a he.

Yes, I can see how this could easily happen. This thought did enter my mind so I took some macro pics of the dorsal fin and it appeared to be intact.The female has found a new home with a fellow aquarist. I'll try with a smaller female next time but damaged fins are certainly something to watch out for. Thanks for sharing your experience.
 
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The male does not attack larger females. It is the larger female that attack the male.
When the male lost his spike in fighting at the level below that of the dorsal fin the new growth will not look any different than the female, without any evidence of breakage. It just keep on growing and form spike as it grow.
IMO you got two males.
Scooter dragonet seem to tolerate each other. I do not think female green dragonet tolerate each other. That is why I am interested in see if anybody ever put two females together for more than 3 months. Three months so that we know for sure that the two females are actually a male and a female.
 
I am in the middle of a mandarin marital dispute right now. A little over a year ago I introduced a small female to my large established male in a 225gal display. They paired immediately and would often do their spawning dance in the evenings. Everything was great until this week when I noticed the male hanging out in the corners of the tank with one of his pelvic fins looking damaged. As this was not normal I did all of the usual things like a water change, fresh carbon and gfo, and skimmer cleaning to ensure that the tank was running in top shape. However, upon further observation I discovered that the female was bullying him and would not allow him to hide out and forage within the live rock and coral. So I've moved him to my 120gal frag tank/sump which is also equipped with sand and live rock. There is only one other fish down there with him, a longnose hawk, so he should be fine staying there indefinitely. However I'll consider reintroducing him in the display in one months time or longer if/when his fin heals back to normal.

I suspect that my recent tinkering with the tank over the past 2 weeks which involved syphoning out the old sand bed to replace it with a new one may have had something to do with this. The old sand bed was 1-2" deep and consisted of a combination of crushed coral and sugar sand. It was old, cluttered and grimy but also teaming with life. The new bed is sterile caribsea select (grain size is smaller than crushed coral but larger than sugar). I switched to it for aesthetics. This was a bit disruptive and may have induced the problem. Or maybe the power balanced just reached a tipping point with the female steadily growing in size.
 
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