<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13361794#post13361794 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jtarmitage
Oh, and Jayda and that other oneare doing very well indeed.
Thats good to hear Jeremy. I am glad Emma, Jayda and Joe all made it to your tank
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Thats good to hear Jeremy. I am glad Emma, Jayda and Joe all made it to your tank
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The tough thing is your average worm is pretty simple and is probably tougher than the actual SPS.....So what is so strong that can kill adults, eggs 100% of the time with no chance of developing a resistance......but gentle enough not to kill the host coral, or the rest of the tank later on.......thats the real kicker, and where polyclad biology comes into play, determing how to target them. Which as Mark mentioned.......is lacking to an extent I can't even joke at.
The real challenge is the eggs....what are they made of? Most eggs have a "shell" that is pretty resistant.
Rather than drug therapy I had been pondering things like extreme rapid pressure changes (worms are mostly water), flash heat/freezing, a UV chamber to destroy egg DNA, perhaps even ultrasonic like how kidney stones are broke up, or some microwaves for an opera singer and the old wine glass effect.
I am picturing the eggs to be gelatenous and based on thier relative size, (much like how freshwater dips work), one of these techniques may destroy, boil, remove from the surface, or do just enough damage to end up with a bunch of harmless baloon holding, retarded worms.
But its probably just me holding my own ballons in the end :celeb3:
The real challenge is the eggs....what are they made of? Most eggs have a "shell" that is pretty resistant.
Rather than drug therapy I had been pondering things like extreme rapid pressure changes (worms are mostly water), flash heat/freezing, a UV chamber to destroy egg DNA, perhaps even ultrasonic like how kidney stones are broke up, or some microwaves for an opera singer and the old wine glass effect.
I am picturing the eggs to be gelatenous and based on thier relative size, (much like how freshwater dips work), one of these techniques may destroy, boil, remove from the surface, or do just enough damage to end up with a bunch of harmless baloon holding, retarded worms.
But its probably just me holding my own ballons in the end :celeb3:
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eagleONE
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Doug, that make absolute sense-- physical rather than chemical. True, eggs are pretty resistant. Hmm... this reminds me of spores.
I think freshwater dips work is based on relative concentrations of egg and it's environment. High concentrations flows to lower concentrations...
Mark, the reason I thought of this is because, levamisol, treats for flatworms found in livestock. I cannot say with full certainty, but polycads generally share similar characteristics.
So the question is, what other flatworm products are there ( ie: dogs, humans, animals, etc.) and can we can apply it to the "aefw"
All of this sounds great, but the ideas need to include the survival of the coral. I will give this some more thought.
J
I think freshwater dips work is based on relative concentrations of egg and it's environment. High concentrations flows to lower concentrations...
Mark, the reason I thought of this is because, levamisol, treats for flatworms found in livestock. I cannot say with full certainty, but polycads generally share similar characteristics.
So the question is, what other flatworm products are there ( ie: dogs, humans, animals, etc.) and can we can apply it to the "aefw"
All of this sounds great, but the ideas need to include the survival of the coral. I will give this some more thought.
J
Thanks guys, This whole dilemna has me to a point where I really don't care anymore.
I basted some of the corals last week and only saw one little bugger come off and it was when I was basting some cyano off of one of the rocks. One of the corals I basted actually losty color and dead skelaton is showing.
On another note, I might not have to worry about QT'ing and treating my corals as I forgot to turn back on my Ca reactor and solenoid after a water change last Friday. My dkh dropped to 5-5.5. :hmm4:
I basted some of the corals last week and only saw one little bugger come off and it was when I was basting some cyano off of one of the rocks. One of the corals I basted actually losty color and dead skelaton is showing.
On another note, I might not have to worry about QT'ing and treating my corals as I forgot to turn back on my Ca reactor and solenoid after a water change last Friday. My dkh dropped to 5-5.5. :hmm4:
jamesdawson
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Sorry to hear that Mark. FWIW, I have survived a couple of low alk instances myself. Once my C02 ran out when I was out of town for a 3 day weekend and corals were stressing at about 4-5 dkh--lost a nice coral and everything else browned out for a while.
LMK if there is anything I can do to help.
James
LMK if there is anything I can do to help.
James
Justin74
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Mark your not alone. Due to a recent job and alk spikes from Reef Crystals. My tank has never looked so horrible. So far Im at 25% loss and counting. To the point all I can do is throw my hands up in the air.
Not the same scenario I know, but same results basically. And same overwhelming state of helplessness and depression. Seems for every year of advancement me and my tank make, something rears it's ugly head and takes me 6 months back.
Hopefully we'll find our silver lining soon brother
-Justin
Not the same scenario I know, but same results basically. And same overwhelming state of helplessness and depression. Seems for every year of advancement me and my tank make, something rears it's ugly head and takes me 6 months back.
Hopefully we'll find our silver lining soon brother
-Justin
PreacherMan607
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Great thread! Do you feed your corals anything? Or dose anything? I apologize if you have already answered this before I didn't read the entire thread.
Thanks be Blessed!
Thanks be Blessed!
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13416554#post13416554 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Justin74
Mark your not alone. Due to a recent job and alk spikes from Reef Crystals. My tank has never looked so horrible. So far Im at 25% loss and counting. To the point all I can do is throw my hands up in the air.
Not the same scenario I know, but same results basically. And same overwhelming state of helplessness and depression. Seems for every year of advancement me and my tank make, something rears it's ugly head and takes me 6 months back.
Hopefully we'll find our silver lining soon brother
-Justin
I am sorry to hear Justin. How did you get alk spikes from a salt mix? Was it because you were using two different batches?
Just another reason why I went to mixing salt mixes awhile ago and never looked back.
Hang in there.
Thank You to everyone who has been passing along the good mojo my way of late. Things have been rough to say the least, but I am still trudging my way through.
I ordered some Prazipro, levamisol, and Revive today. The Prazipro will be a new chemical that I have never used before.
The garage tank is pretty stable and I am comfortable enough to start the process of removing my acros this weekend. Some people have told me that I should trim some of the tips, but I am sure that this may happen on its own. I not so sure how much more stress I want to put the corals through.
The only thing I am still looking for is a decent 10x magnifying glass. I want to be able to inspect the corals before and after each round of dips.
I ordered some Prazipro, levamisol, and Revive today. The Prazipro will be a new chemical that I have never used before.
The garage tank is pretty stable and I am comfortable enough to start the process of removing my acros this weekend. Some people have told me that I should trim some of the tips, but I am sure that this may happen on its own. I not so sure how much more stress I want to put the corals through.
The only thing I am still looking for is a decent 10x magnifying glass. I want to be able to inspect the corals before and after each round of dips.
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Justin74
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Evidentally the majority of the buffer settled to the bottom of the bucket making the very last water change one I'll never forget. My alk was at 7 prior to the WC, after a day of beginning to see tips being burnt to high hell I tested the waters alk., was at a high 10. I can only imagine what it was at the time of the WC, needless to say raising your alk more than 3pts within 30 minutes is a recipe for a catastrophe I didnt bother to test the fresh SW, as the last 2 water changes prior the alk was tested at 8. Lesson learned...>sigh<....
You do the same, I guess for now our silver lining may be in our LPS. Thank God for that :thumbsup:
-Justin
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