Mountains of sawdust (360g plywood, LED, Arduino build)

Just for her hahahahahaha, You should tell your wife that she's been begging for a pair of candy basslets as well. :)

In July my wife bought me a tv for our bedroom for my anniversary Present. the funny thing is she wanted the tv not me I have only used it once when I was sick she uses it everyday. So she has a birthday coming up and guess what she's getting from me? Yep that's right CORAL! LOL
 
Hey DWIZM, have you considered a school of anthias?

And what kid doesn't love aquariums (please ignore the ghetto style tank stand)!? :lol:

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Hey DWIZM, have you considered a school of anthias?

Yeah, but I don't like the "must be fed every 2.5 seconds" factor, and they're more expensive than other schooling fish. I think I'm leaning towards some species of Apogon cardinals for the schooling fish, since they also hit the "can be captive bred" check box.

And what kid doesn't love aquariums (please ignore the ghetto style tank stand)!?

Holy crap he's getting SO big! :eek:

+1 on the sailfin. One of my all time favorite fish. how long have you guys had that one?
 
Yeah, but I don't like the "must be fed every 2.5 seconds" factor, and they're more expensive than other schooling fish. I think I'm leaning towards some species of Apogon cardinals for the schooling fish, since they also hit the "can be captive bred" check box.
I dunno. Before the "Tornado/Power Outage Incident of 2009", we had a pair of lyretail anthias that did just fine with 2 feedings a day of flake food.

Holy crap he's getting SO big! :eek:

That picture was taken in January. He's even bigger now. :(

+1 on the sailfin. One of my all time favorite fish. how long have you guys had that one?

We've had that fish for at least 6 years. Not as much of a bully as many people make sailfins out to be but it's definitely a food hog. That fish photobombs the tank every time I try to take pictures of it :lol:
 
I like the red spot cardinals that LiveAquaria gets in from time to time; they are in tune with the shoaling cardinal idea but are a little more interesting and different then just the longspine.
 
Someone asked me about my skimmerless comment in the ghetto thread via PM so I thought I'd explain my thoughts about keeping the tank clean. (Subtitle: "A post in which DWIZUM alienates half his audience").

IMHO, skimmers can do an extremely good job of keeping water in a closed system clean. By clean, I mean "free from stuff we don't want in that system." However, I also feel that they can put a huge kink in the system's natural biological balance, since they remove lots of stuff that desirable livestock (or desirable livestock's food) would love to eat. Hence, I'm hoping to avoid longterm use of a powerful skimmer on this tank.

That leaves me with a gaping hole to fill. How do I get rid of all the stuff I don't want in the tank without a skimmer? I have a three-pronged plan of attack:

1) Use of an algae turf scrubber. This is a well-proven but often overlooked method of exporting undesirable nutrients from the system - the same nutrients that can harm livestock and/or lead to outbreaks of pest algae in the display tank. My turf scrubber will be roughly based on the vertical-screen model that SantaMonica presents on various reefkeeping forums. Initially it will be lit via CFLs since they are foolproof in this application. Over time I hope to transition to LEDs, once I understand a little more clearly how to choose the proper LEDs for this purpose (some folks on a certain forum dedicated to ATSs are making real progress here, so I'm waiting until I can copy their soon to be pending successful results). I built two 1" valves into the main return line for the ATS, such that I can basically run two independent ATSs next to each other - this will allow for some redundancy and will lessen the impact of regular cleaning, since I can stagger the cleaning schedule.

2) Use of activated carbon. Not sure of the exact method I will employ here, because I'm not really sure what demand there will be at this point. I did leave an extra 1" valve on the main return line in case I want to run a reactor. I'm hoping that carbon will clean up anything undesirable that the ATS doesn't take care of.

3) Regular small water changes - I am going to implement daily changes of a few gallons a day from the saltwater storage container in the basement. This has a few advantages - it reduces the shock from larger changes, and eliminates the work of performing such large changes (which IMHO are much more of a challenge to automate). Also, it eliminates the need to heat the new saltwater, since it's entering the tank in low doses at a slow speed.

Besides nutrient export, skimming provides aeration. The ATS should take care of that, due to both the natural effects of photosynthesis and the physical aeration of the water as it's pumped over the (exposed to the air) vertical screen.

So that's the plan. We'll see how it works! :)
 
I dunno. Before the "Tornado/Power Outage Incident of 2009", we had a pair of lyretail anthias that did just fine with 2 feedings a day of flake food.

That's not so bad, especially since I plan on using an autofeeder for at least half the food requirements of the tank.

We've had that fish for at least 6 years. Not as much of a bully as many people make sailfins out to be but it's definitely a food hog. That fish photobombs the tank every time I try to take pictures of it :lol:

I had a sailfin for about 6 years in my previous systems. He was a model citizen. Very shy for being such a large and active fish actually.

I like the red spot cardinals that LiveAquaria gets in from time to time; they are in tune with the shoaling cardinal idea but are a little more interesting and different then just the longspine.

Don't know if I've ever seen those. It'll probably boil down to whatever the vendor I use (online or LFS) has in stock when I want to buy. Saltwaterfish.com has a "Candy Striped Cardinal" right now - they just list it as Apogon sp. which is really annoying because searching for the common name of "Candy Striped Cardinal" doesn't turn up much at all. I'm not a real stickler for binomial names but in some cases it's the only naming method that's useful, so I wish it was used a little more thoroughly in this hobby.

:lol: My husband told me that he would finish that stand before the baby started walking. The best laid plans of meece and men :lol:

I'm glad I haven't volunteered such a goal!
 
I might have missed it, but do you plan on going with a completely skimmer-less sytem or just run a skimmer for certain time periods every day? There is a lot of discussion going on about skimmers right now and its all very interesting so it will be cool to see how your system evolves.
 
Have you read or heard what Ken Feldman has to say about skimmers?

Nope, you have any links? I have had a few influences. Eric Borneman doesn't run ATSs that I know of, but I know he's had a few skimmerless systems longterm. Plus, there's whats-his-name who wrote that "Natural Aquarium" book (I'm struggling to remember the name of the author OR the book, but I'm sure someone knows what I'm talking about). I think some of his ideas are a little out there but others are very solidly founded.

Plus, my time spent tinkering with planted FW aquariums strongly influenced my approach with this system. Honestly, this was probably the thing that really convinced me to go this route. My largest and most longterm planted system was run with ZERO filtration, just an empty canister filter to create water movement. It was dosed with nutrients and CO2, and I had to rip out and throw away handfuls of plants on a regular basis because they grew so well. This is a common approach for planted FW aquariums but is so vastly the opposite of the mindset for the typical reef aquarium hobbyist. Clearly a planted FW system and a reef system have different requirements, but it has been a learning experience to see vastly different approaches to aquarium maintenance.

In the end, I'm a firm believer that there are many, many ways to successfully keep an aquarium. We should all be concentrating on what we're trying to accomplish, and less on how we're accomplishing those goals. This shift would encourage more variation in approach and IMHO further development of the hobby at a faster pace.
 
I might have missed it, but do you plan on going with a completely skimmer-less sytem or just run a skimmer for certain time periods every day? There is a lot of discussion going on about skimmers right now and its all very interesting so it will be cool to see how your system evolves.

Likely skimmerless in the long term, or at least a very very small skimmer. If I do put a reasonably sized skimmer on the tank, it'll be a short term measure until the ATS or other nutrient export methods are up to speed, though I'm really thinking I won't even need to do that since I can carefully control nutrient load as I get these systems online.

Another factor that I feel is important in this approach is my use of synthetic live rock. IMHO stuffing a tank full of natural live rock is a mistake, unless maybe it's fully, really cured rock from an established system. I don't want to start off with a tank full of gunk, I want to start with a clean, sterile system and build the ecosystem up from there.
 
(Subtitle: "A post in which DWIZUM alienates half his audience").

:lol:

1) Use of an algae turf scrubber.

2) Use of activated carbon.

I'm wondering if having a turf scrubber under your tank is going to smell? Perhaps running carbon will help somewhat but isn't some, if not all, of the algae in an algae scrubber above the water line?

I'm glad I haven't volunteered such a goal!

I'm not even going to bother posting a picture of our ghetto lights that sit over our tank :lol:
 
Ken Feldman skimmers:
Jan. 2009 http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2009/1/aafeature2
Further Study (more info) Jan. 2010 http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2010/1/aafeature

I saw him speak at NERAC this year, ultimately he says that no skimmer removes more then 35% of the TOC (total organic carbon) from a body of water; and between all the skimmers he tested they all removed between 25% and 35%. Ultimately, bubbles are not the most effecient way to remove TOC and there is no need to go out and buy the most expensive skimmer. Skimmer value should be attached to the size, volume, features...that you are interested in because they will all pull out the same amount of stuff, more or less.
 
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Another factor that I feel is important in this approach is my use of synthetic live rock. IMHO stuffing a tank full of natural live rock is a mistake, unless maybe it's fully, really cured rock from an established system. I don't want to start off with a tank full of gunk, I want to start with a clean, sterile system and build the ecosystem up from there.

I agree with your approach. There are so many unknowns when it comes to LR and the hitch hikers that come with it. For instance, the xanthid crab that I FINALLY got out of my system after three years. It killed well over a hundred snails and hermits and near the end, two fish.
 
Phew people, we just went through like a whole page in 10 minutes. :lol:

Looks like A. cyanosoma

If it is I would be happy, since that's one of my favorites and their price is reasonable. But I'm not totally sure. Saltwaterfish's photos are sometimes really low quality and poorly lit which IMHO makes it tough to ID fish. I mean, just look at these side by side, liveaquaria and saltwaterfish:

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The saltwaterfish photo looks drab in comparison, and it makes it hard to tell the coloration of the stripes. A. cyanosoma has stripes that fade from blue to silver on a yellow background, while the saltwaterfish photo looks like silver stripes on a brown background.
 
I'm wondering if having a turf scrubber under your tank is going to smell? Perhaps running carbon will help somewhat but isn't some, if not all, of the algae in an algae scrubber above the water line?

In this design, it's essentially all over the waterline, under a constant bath of water. The algae grows on a screen that has a thin stream of water running down it. I don't expect any smell, and haven't seen any reports of smells from other users. This type of scrubber is cleaned regularly, unlike some of the tilt bucket designs common in the past. Plus it could be argued that skimmers can stink, too.


Thanks!

I agree with your approach. There are so many unknowns when it comes to LR and the hitch hikers that come with it. For instance, the xanthid crab that I FINALLY got out of my system after three years. It killed well over a hundred snails and hermits and near the end, two fish.

Exactly! While I do want diversity, that doesn't mean I can't be picky. I'm "borrowing" about 20 lbs of rock that was growing in the sump of a local reefer. He's got a clean and well maintained system with no pest issues. So I'm getting a good diversity of desirable micro-life with no real worries about pests. Once my tank is seeded, I'll give the rock back to him. In the longterm sense, the tank will have no "real" live rock harvested from reefs, except little bits that may come attached to wild collected coral colonies. Though, when I get around to talking about my coral stocking plans in more detail, you'll see that wild-collected corals won't be at the top of my list.

I forgot to mention another one of my influences in using the ATS - Inland Aquatics. While I haven't visited them in person, I've read about their systems and seen plenty of photos. IMHO it's a slam-dunk example of how ATS can be successfully used.
 
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