My Breeding attempt - Perculas:

[dazed]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12734676#post12734676 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by billsreef
Usually green water does help with ammonia. If it's clearing out in the tank, might need to use more. With the sediment, it's definitely good to siphon that out of the larvae tank, not a big deal in the rot cultures.

:thumbsup: thank you for the information.

Update: Over the course of yesterday i continually dripped new water back into the larvae tank until reaching my 5g mark. I also went to the lfs and picked up some prime and a new ph test kit. I dosed the prime at a little more than the manufacturers recommendation but figured i did not have much to lose as i was still having losses occur; i lost another 6 yesterday.

I think i found out where my mistake was made.

Ph in the larvae tank was 7.8. The new water i was adding was at 8.4:uzi:

It is even mentioned in Joyce's book that the hobbyist thinks they are doing right by doing the water change but in reality is doing more harm to the tank.
Ahhhh live & learn.

The good news is i checked my ammonia badge this morning and it's yellow again

I think i have around 15 survivors :bounce2:

 

[jmadison]

that could be quite a stressful water change on them then. is controlling the ph of the replacement water helping the ammonia yet?

 

[dazed]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12738653#post12738653 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jmadison
that could be quite a stressful water change on them then. is controlling the ph of the replacement water helping the ammonia yet?

yeah stressful on them & me.

It appears to be helping as the ammonia badge this morning reads safe.

I picked up some ph down at the lfs but i don't know for sure if it is a freshwater product?

???? Anyone what would be the best way to lower the ph of incoming water to the tank??

I might need to use some different salt mix; currently using RC would switching to IO help?

 

[billsreef]

The pH down is fine for SW use

 

[FB]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12738623#post12738623 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by dazed
It is even mentioned in Joyce's book that the hobbyist thinks they are doing right by doing the water change but in reality is doing more harm to the tank.
Ahhhh live & learn.

I would have to read Joyce's book again but there is a chart in the book that references PH and ammonia toxicity. I believe she said something along the lines of; once your ph drops to a certain level the effects of ammonia are irrelevant. I don't recall what the number was.

Again don't quote me on this but the ammonia badge only measures free ammonia. So if you ammonia is high and your ph is low it may not actually be that bad for your fish.

If you have the book in front of you feel free to correct me.

FB

 

[dazed]

Yep i know which part of the book you are talking about and i plan to read that part again tonight; I could have kicked myself when i read it last night; she states something like and along comes the hobbyist and performs x,y,z, and i thought hey that's me lol.

billsreef; thanks for the confirmation on the ph down product...

 

[FB]

By the way I love your avatar.

Especially since I have given myslef a nice shock twice in the last 4 months.

 

[dazed]

FB; thanks i think my avatar is ironic if you consider the fact that i work for a electrical eng. firm; lol.....Everytime i see yours i can't get that line out of my head GET IN MY BELLY!!!!!....

Tank update for me well i am a bit confused today is the start of day 12 for the remaining larvae I count 10 maybe 11 of them are left.

I still can't not figure out if any of them have gone thru meta???

They still swim with a rapid tail fluttering is how i would describe it.

and they are still very SMALL i now have bs in the tank that have out grown the larvae it seems.....:eek1:

the ammonia still reads safe so i am happy about that but not so happy with the little runts

Oh and Happy Father's Day to those out there i plan to start enjoying mine with a nice bbq and a couple of cold ones..

 

[Lifes A Beach]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12751662#post12751662 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by dazed
I still can't not figure out if any of them have gone thru meta???

Sometimes it's hard to see the first head stripe early. I find that if you look down on the fry with a flashlight, you'll be able to see the stripe even if you can't see by looking at them from the side! See if that helps!

--Barbara

 

[dazed]

Well i have looked down on them from the top and all i can see is their eyes,body, and tail; i will try the flashlight trick later on toady and see what i can see i guess.

Should i try and remove the larger brine shrimp from the tank and if so how is that accomplished?

I have been using the decapsulated bbs and not all of them have been hatching if i add eggs that have not hatched will they just hatch in the larvae tank?

 

[agsansoo]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12756855#post12756855 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by dazed


Should i try and remove the larger brine shrimp from the tank and if so how is that accomplished?

I have been using the decapsulated bbs and not all of them have been hatching if i add eggs that have not hatched will they just hatch in the larvae tank?

If you want to remove the larger brine shrimp, you can use a brine shrimp net. I would leave them, or suck them out during water changes.

I have good luck the the decap bbs. Are you mixing 1 part ro water to 2 parts saltwater ? And yes they will hatch in the larvae tank. That's if the larvae don't try to eat them. Which might chock them.

 

[dazed]

Yes i have been using 1 part ro and 2 parts saltwater but i do not have a heater in the hatchery maybe that is the problem; i will have to decide what to do with the larger brine shrimp i guess.

 

[agsansoo]

You can put them in front of a light fixture. That should warm them up a little.

 

[dazed]

Actually they are but it's just a normal fluorescent the hatchery is sitting right next to my phyto bottles.

 

[dazed]

Well, bad night for me i got home from work yesterday and found that i had lost 7 more; bummer....

I have 3 left at this point and they are still very small. I think that all of them stopped growing a least a week ago not sure why but i must be doing something wrong because this is the start of day 14 and the ones that are left just don't seem to be progressing at all.

I ordered from reed the otohime starter pack not really sure what to do with it now; lol...

The other issue is my pair have not laid anymore eggs since their last batch on the 10th and that batch only waited 6 days to hatch in my reef.

So at this point i don't know what to do

 

[FB]

When I was losing mine around that time it was because they were starving. Are the bodies very skinny. I found that the 10 - 24 day period you really need to feed them like pigs. This is where they grow a lot and they need as much energy as possible. What are you currently feeding them.

 

[dazed]

Yes the bodies are skinny of the ones i siphoned out last night all 7 had silver belly's. The larvae tank has rotifers, phyto and brine shrimp. Some of the bbs that are in the tank have easily outpaced the growth rate of my larvae.

Ammonia still reads safe in the tank.

It just seems that around the same time that i had the ammonia issue all of the growth progress stopped as well.

 

[FB]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12763914#post12763914 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by dazed
Yes the bodies are skinny of the ones i siphoned out last night all 7 had silver belly's. The larvae tank has rotifers, phyto and brine shrimp. Some of the bbs that are in the tank have easily outpaced the growth rate of my larvae.

Ammonia still reads safe in the tank.

It just seems that around the same time that i had the ammonia issue all of the growth progress stopped as well.

Thats very interesting that there are uneaten brine shrimp in the tank. When you feed the brine shrimp how old are they (the shrimp). They may be too big for them to eat. When I feed bbs the larvae stomachs get very large and orange not silver. Joyce's book also talks about rotifers don't contain enough energy for them to survive on beyond the first couple of days. She says something along the lines of, it takes more energy for them to catch a rotifer than the rotifer gives back. So the more they hunt for rotifers the further they fall behind. If they do not get very large orange bellies when you feed bbs something is wrong. BBS at this stage are key they cannot eat just rotifers. It may be that they are full of rotifers and are not interested in the BBS. I would stop feeding roitfers past day 7 or 8. The roitfers are only there for the straglers.

FB

 

[dazed]

FB; I started introducing the bbs on day 5 (freshly hatched) at that time i did have some that were consuming them as i did note that some of them had orange belly's. Then i had the ammonia issue and lost many of the ones that were further ahead it seemed. I kept on adding the rotifers due to what i think is a batch of larvae that have done nothing but struggle. At the time when i started adding the bbs i did cut back on the amount of rotifers going into the tank i just looked back over my notes and it looks like i was only adding the rotifers every other day and that was due to the fact that there were allot of stragglers still at that point. I guess i was trying to fill the void between the ones that were moving ahead and the ones that seemed to be frozen in time.

At this point there are plenty of brine shrimp in the tank although they are of many different sizes.

This is day 14 and i still can't say with any confidence that any of them even went into or completed meta.

The 3 that are left in the tank as of this morning are still tan or very light brown in color and are small.

Not sure where to go from here as i don't even have eggs from the parents to try again.

 

[FB]

do they look like this after eating or are they skinny.