My journey using Chloroquine Phosphate begins...

I've read that too, I've been doing water changes until I can find a salifert test locally. Been withholding chemical control until I know the true answer. I got a alert on the ammonia alert badge, and also a .25 on a API test kit. 30 gallon water changes everyday is not fun!

I cannot see any difference in behavior of the fish besides the lack of appetite, and that one of the anthias constantly hide.
 
If you have a true ammonia spike and you don't take care of it, your fishes would be dead.

I text my local dealer, who uses it 24/7 and asked him his experience and this was his reply.

"I'm using 60mg/gal solution in a 80gal holding system and 4x 5gal and 1x 10gal stand alone quarantine tanks. I only get false reading on one of the 5gal (could be the ammonia alert tag) and periodic false readings on the 80gal holding system. I don't do water changes but once a week and not when the ammonia alert tag tells me, but I dose Amquel or Prime, just in case. The readings don't change even after dosing Amquel or Prime, but the fish never seemed stressed. If they were stress from ammonia, they would be breathing heavy and their eyes or skin can show some bloodshotness. I believe that CP doesn't cause ammonia spikes unless there is a die off of something within the tank. If using a bare tank for quarantine, there is nothing that dies off. CP also doesn't kill my bacteria bed within the kaldness K1 bio media that I'm using."

HTH


Based off all this it would appear I have a false positive on ammonia. It's been a full 9 days since i've added CP. All the algae is gone, but I would assume a mass die off would cause a bit higher spike that I am seeing. It looks like the chemical control is a good assurance that things will be ok.
 
i've always used small frozen mysis or frozen cyclopeze soaked with garlic and selcon to temp them to eat.

i truly believe that the stop eating from the stress of the disease and CP doesn't add any additional stress like copper or formalin does.

I've been holding off on mysis since i didn't want to add more pollution to the water since they haven't been eating pellets. The algae eaters will go after the nori, but the wrasse, clowns, and anthias won't touch it. Will try this tonight.
 
Hey Deinonych did they give you any questions on who you were. I was going thru the questionaire to set up an account. What did you write under the compliance section. You can PM me if you want. thanks Louis

Well I tried alfa aesar. They sent me an email saying that they only ship to Govt. ,universities etc... They don't ship to residential. They do not work with individual credit cards.
 
Well I tried alfa aesar. They sent me an email saying that they only ship to Govt. ,universities etc... They don't ship to residential. They do not work with individual credit cards.

Weird. I had no problem ordering mine. Maybe this is a new policy? At least I have enough to keep me going for a while.
 
Someone who usually does the incoming orders was back on the job:headwally: or I should have ordered on Friday when everyone wants to go home..deinonych you got lucky:beer: I was freaking out since I was expecting this to come in. I got some tank raised banggaii cardinals from DD. I thought I was safe since these were 2 nd gen. But lo and behold they have ick. I had them in a brand new quarantine tank to themselves with a brand new aquaclear. I noticed one was not eating as well yesterday. It's hard to see ick on them when they have white spots normally as their disguise. Started to do tank transfer method with slightly lower salinity. I could have used that chloroquine right now. I ordered right away from the guy on eBay so hopefully I will get it by Tuesday. If not then I will go to KM. thanks no1fishman
 
All the female anthias are gone, they stopped eating midway through treatment and never made it back. Male is still alive and kicking though. After 10 days or so of CP, flukes started showing up on my trigger. Stupid trigger! I am now mixing prazi and Cp together. Couldn't get the trigger out, too smart.
 
sorry about your loss, anthias are sensitive eaters to begin with. never feels good to loose anything.

It's like a domino effect, once one bad things happens it all starts falling apart. This stupid trigger is the cause of all of it, everything was fine before that damn trigger with ich AND flukes.
 
Searching through this thread for "snail" I get two hits. One mentions that CP treated in a DT killed all their snails and the other said some snail survived the treatment. Has anyone who treated their DT for ich but also had vermited snails noticed if it killed off their vermited snail population? That would be a real plus for CP.
 
Someone who usually does the incoming orders was back on the job:headwally: or I should have ordered on Friday when everyone wants to go home..deinonych you got lucky:beer: I was freaking out since I was expecting this to come in. I got some tank raised banggaii cardinals from DD. I thought I was safe since these were 2 nd gen. But lo and behold they have ick. I had them in a brand new quarantine tank to themselves with a brand new aquaclear. I noticed one was not eating as well yesterday. It's hard to see ick on them when they have white spots normally as their disguise. Started to do tank transfer method with slightly lower salinity. I could have used that chloroquine right now. I ordered right away from the guy on eBay so hopefully I will get it by Tuesday. If not then I will go to KM. thanks no1fishman

Well, that's a bummer. Will be interesting to see if they will ship to me again, should I need to place an order. I'm tempted to order again just to test it out.
 
This is so ridiculous. It shouldn't be this difficult to get an anti-malarial drug. Without going thru shady sources and then wondering about it's purity. It's not like CP is a narcotic or some other form of illicit drug. :furious:
 
Exactly. The listing for the compound on Alfa's site even states, "not regulated for shipping." So, why would it matter that an individual wants to purchase it? Stupid.

https://www.alfa.com/en/catalog/J64459

I guess I'll go back to my vet if I run out, and they won't ship to me. At least I know he'll write me a script that I can fill locally.
 
My latest treatment was for 22 days. I had wanted to treat for longer but as mentioned, my kole tang stopped eating, so i took the meds out completely because he was getting very skinny. Now about 10 days later, appetite has returned completely..... and so has the ich. This was @ 80mg/g. I have been unsuccessful @ lower doses for 30 and even 45 days. The CP is from Luis. 99.9% pure. Guess i am going to try 40mg/g and see if the kole loses his appetite. If not, i'll try to leave it in for 60 days. (maybe even 90???) If that doesn't work, i'm about out of ideas
 
You may have to revert to Cupramine to treat the Kole. IME, active outbreaks of crypto require 60mg/g minimum, or 80mg/g optimally (if the fish can tolerate it).
 
You may have to revert to Cupramine to treat the Kole. IME, active outbreaks of crypto require 60mg/g minimum, or 80mg/g optimally (if the fish can tolerate it).

No chance i can remove him from this tank. I was hoping to start off @ 40 and see how he handled it. If the spots aren't gone in a week, move it up to 60 if he is handling 40. I think he was eating some cyclopeeze from what i could tell during the last treatment, but stopped eating pellets and picking at the rocks. I am starting to really question how CP works though, as i said, i have had ich come back after 45 days of treatment. No new fish were introduced and it's a FOWLR, so no corals, inverts absolutely nothing "wet" was added to the tank that could have caused re-contamination. After 45 days i removed the CP with carbon in a reactor (that had been dry for weeks). I'm beginning to lose a little faith here. Every time i remove the CP, ich comes back in about 10 days
 
That is strange. IME, CP is very effective at eliminating active disease outbreaks at 80mg/g. I have two clownfish that went through 4 weeks at 80mg/g. I removed the CP with carbon and Polyfilter and observed them for 2+ weeks and ich never returned. They are back in the display now.

How long did you leave your DT fallow?
 
That is strange. IME, CP is very effective at eliminating active disease outbreaks at 80mg/g. I have two clownfish that went through 4 weeks at 80mg/g. I removed the CP with carbon and Polyfilter and observed them for 2+ weeks and ich never returned. They are back in the display now.

How long did you leave your DT fallow?

Treatments are done in the DT, It's a FOWLR
 
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