my rice experiment

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I think I am going to give this a shot. My tank is pretty bad off with Cyano so I really have nothing to loose. My attempt with rice should be for a longer timer period then some of the others that have given it a shot. So maybe we can get some more answers to the possibility of benefits that Rice could possible provide.

My tools:
RiceEquipment.jpg


I should get start Fri or Sat.
 
Thanks bones, be sure to keep up on the results. Although I wont be trying rice, I want to thank the rest of you who might figure it out!
 
I didn't really use it continuously because I was afraid to mess up my tank. Just noticed my bryopsis was gone after I tossed 8-10 pellets in my sump. Probably just a coincidence but I have been pulling out those pesky bryopsis manually every week.

no way! how long did you have them in there? was there any reaction to the livestock, and when you pulled them out what were they like (gooey). Thanks.

skunk
 
Ok, to continue my rice documentation, here is where we started.

As stated previously Cyano has overrun the tank. So I am starting with some problems that I have not been taking enough time to figure out what was causing them. I had been using Algea Fix, which did wonders for about three weeks, but then the Cyano can back and pretty much was unaffected by any quantity of Algea Fix. Which brought me to the forums looking for some possible solutions. I ran across this thread and found the experiment of interest, and thought it was worth a shot (I mean most of my corals look pretty bad, and no new introduction was going to make it with the Cyano anyways!).

Photo of the Tank today (9-29-10):
RiceStart023.jpg

(Not sure why photobucket will not show this picture any larger, might have to pay for the service versus the free version I use. I'll try to figure out how to get a larger image so everyone can see it better)

As can be noticed, Cyano is pretty much on every piece of rock and PVC tube in the Tank in some quantity. While my reduction in feedings and upgraded Skimmer have helped, there is still work to be done. I am hoping this Rice Experiment continues to assist in the fight against Cyano along with my other improvements.

Although the picture above is the tank today, I started the reactor on Friday, 9-27-10. My front panel was covered in Cyano and Coraline Algea, so I wanted to clean it before snapping a picture. The Rice doesn't seem to have done much in the initial 48 hours, so this picture is a good baseline for future reference (I make the comment of "not much", but I do have to say that I have noticed that some Cyano junks are loosening from the rocks and starting to tear away, so something is happening, but I cannot pin it to the Rice itself yet).

I also took some readings on Friday, to see where the tank was sitting before I started the experiment on the essential parameters:
Ammonia = 0 ppm
Nitrites = 0.1-0.2 ppm
Nitrates = 2.5 ppm
So, this confirmed it. Something is causing some issues, still not sure what it is though. Some guesses are, I had a tiger cucumber which I have not seen for weeks, but I would think if he died I would have MAJOR problems, not just some Cyano outbreak. I also had a Court Jester goby, and he also has not been seen in a while. The tank has tons of none viewable hiding spots, but he usually comes out every once in a while. So my guess is he may have past away, which could be a source for the Cyano to thrive off so well.

What has been done so far - pretty straight forward. Added about half cup to two thirds of a cup of rice to a Two Little Fishes 150 Reactor. I have a MaxiJet 1200 pushing flow through it and a tee for a PhosPhat Chamber. The teed off chamber does not take much flow, so the Rice seems to have a decent tumble. I decided to use MB7 with my Rice Experiment, as it seems like a very well received product that can provide closed Ecosystems with a added boost of micro organisms. Following the instruction on the MB7, I have been adding 35ml everyday and turning the Skimmer off for about four hours. I have not been adding the MB7 straight to the Rice reactor, just into the sump.

Some others notes so far. I have read several threads about others using BioPellets and/or Rice having a heavy cloudy time periods. I did not experience this at all (maybe a slight haze, but my tank has that from time to time). This could be to the way I washed my Rice. I did not do anything fancy, but I did rinse it 20 times! Then let it sit in RO/DI water for 24 hours before placing it into the reactor. Other things, the skimmer is pulling a lot more junk out! Which I find encouraging all in itself. I mean the skimmer has pulled the same amount in 40 hours then it did in a week before hand. Everything in the tank seems to be doing just fine or at least as good as it did before, so all is moving forward.

My updates will most likely come in weekly intervals, as work is crazy, so the weekdays are pretty much shot. The most I think I will do is add the daily MB7 dosage anyway. So I will try to document on Fri and Sat the status of the tank and continue with measurements and all. If there is any questions I will try to answer those as soon as possible, but bear with me during the weekdays!
 
quick update
my rice got flushed out of my reactor for some reason and was left on the skimmer chamber at the bottom. I figured rather than try to pull it out and put it back in the reactor I might as well let it stay there to experiment on LOW FLOW.

result.........
DO NOT USE RICE IN A LOW FLOW OR PASSIVE MODE.......the rice fowls up within 3-5 days and theres a bad smell......it still pull out the no3 and po4, but it will do more harm then good.
luckily for me I decided to pull it out within a few days and the rice was all clumped up and starting to turn mushy and smelled real bad.
when I had my power outage, the rice was left in the reactor for days within any flow (my sump was disconnected due to overflow problem), my whole sump water turned black.

FOR RICE TO WORK IT SHOULD TUMBLE IN THE REACTOR AT A STEADY PACE.

MBONES......within a few days say day 3-4 you will see a slight increase in cyno, but other algaes will die off, after day 5-6 you will see that cyno will start to die. if u pull out the cyno at this time, it will be completely gone and will not come back, if u let it be it will start losing color and slowly detach and turn stringy, within the next few days it will be gone

keep us posted

I'm moving my tank, and will probably restart a new experiment again within the next week
 
Wow that was a bunch of reading. I think everyone may be looking past the benefits of rice. I seems to be great for dropping N/P in a short period of time. Why does it need to be used for a long term fix. If you are battling algae or N/P you could use it for a week to help get your parameters back in check and then go back to your normal husbandry.
 
Wow that was a bunch of reading. I think everyone may be looking past the benefits of rice. I seems to be great for dropping N/P in a short period of time. Why does it need to be used for a long term fix. If you are battling algae or N/P you could use it for a week to help get your parameters back in check and then go back to your normal husbandry.

this could be an alternative, especially for QT tanks and holding tanks.
 
Mbones, Do not turn off your skimmer at all when dosing MB7. The older bottles says to in the instructions but brightwell has changed them. MB7 will decrease your oxygen in your tank and running the skimmer while dosing is a must. it has been well documented in SunnyX's thread. Just wanted to give you a heads up.

-Chris
 
After Week 1 (Notes and Thoughts)

After Week 1 (Notes and Thoughts)

OK, so it has been a complete week since I started down the path of the Rice Experiment, and as promised here is the documentation of week 1.

To have data side by side, I will include my starting points and picture within this post as well.

The basic info first:
Started At:
Ammonia = 0 ppm
Nitrites = 0.1-0.2 ppm
Nitrates = 2.5 ppm

After Wk 1:
Ammonia = 0 ppm
Nitrites = 0.1 ppm
Nitrates = 0-2.5 ppm (Darn Red Sea tester!)

So it seems I have made some progress getting the parameters back to zero where most of us want to be. I do want to make a specific statement, that these changes are 100% due to the Rice Reactor and MB7 Dosages. I have not performed a water change throughout this whole process. With that said, I do plan on performing a water change tomorrow, so this fact won't hold true for the next report.

Photo of the Tank (9-29-10):
RiceStart023.jpg


Photo of the Tank today (10-3-10):
RiceWeek1.jpg


I think it is easy to precise the difference. While I do think the Photo Program I used made some subtle adjustment differences between the two pictures, for the most part they are taken in the same fashion without a flash.

Things I would like to bring to your attention between the two pictures:
- The two PVC closed loop returns in the front right and front left give good indication on the improvement with the Cyano.
- The far left portion of the Live Rock was completely covered in Cyano at the start point, looking at the Week 1 picture, you can see it is nearly completely gone in this section.
- Lastly, I want to point out the water clearity between the two pictures. The After Week 1 photo is a whole lot more clear! (I feel this is why the photo software made those subtle changes between the two pictures)

My Personal Thoughts:
Overall I am very pleased with the progress of the Tank. I believe that there is some benefit to running the Rice Reactor on the tank. With this system running, and following the MB7 manufactures recommended directions, I have been able to make a bigger dent into the Cyano Algae than I ever was ever able to without using other additives. Even when using Algae Fix, which I think is another good product when used correctly, it took me much longer to get the same results that I am showing today. Not to mention, with my parameter issues, the Algae Fix was not showing any signs of Cyano evacuation.

If I was to try to quantify the percentage of Cyano change in the aquarium, I would feel save in saying there has been about a 40% reduction in the amount of Cyano throughout the entire tank. One thing I have noticed, there is small batches of Cyano that have seem to intensified or become more of an organized mass. It seems like it may be trying to strength itself to maintain it's position in certain locations, as if to make a last stand. So I will be monitoring those areas over the next couple weeks to see what happens. Otherwise the rest of the Cyano population in the tank is thinning out and turning Gray like kkil4life indicated it would.

One other item I would like to share, just as some what a third party only slight biased opinion, my wife made a comment about the tank yesterday. She knows that I have working on this project, but really could not care less, but she did make a comment that the Tank was looking a lot better. So I feel for her to make this comment, you know something is improving!

A quick comment on the livestock. I have not seen any changes in behavior, and since adding the reactor, I have gone back to feeding the tank a little heavier (I notice some weight loss on some fish). So it seems like all the livestock is very happy with no problems. All corals have experienced no change, although the Cyano has done a number on the GSP. I did not think anything could kill GSP, well I was wrong. Hopefully the Cyano will be 100% evacuated from the system and the GSP will grow back.

Path forward:
I plan on doing a water change this weekend, just to try and get some of the dead stuff out of the water column, as I do not run a filter sock. Otherwise I will be keeping to the MB7 manufactures recommendation of adding daily doses for the initial 2 weeks.

I hope this is helping some of the others thinking about trying this Rice Experiment out.
 
Mbones, Do not turn off your skimmer at all when dosing MB7. The older bottles says to in the instructions but brightwell has changed them. MB7 will decrease your oxygen in your tank and running the skimmer while dosing is a must. it has been well documented in SunnyX's thread. Just wanted to give you a heads up.

-Chris

Chris,

Thanks for the heads up. I was worried about this the first couple days, so I monitored the tank closely and never saw any signs of stress. I have a pretty low bio-load for the size of the water volume, so that may be what saved my livestock from being stressed. I will look into this more though based off your recommendation.
 
Mbones, the remaining cyno, if siphoned off will not return.
u will notice that all forms of algae including macro will start to die.
chaeto will start to die slowly also, but just prune off the dead part and in the end u will be left with a sufficient ball that can sustain itself.

since right now, ur into day 7-10
read my updates on day 7-10 and PLEASE keep the following points in mind
1.VERY VERY important......make sure the rice has a gentle tumble and does not stay still in one place. also make sure u have a mesh on ur reactor top so that the rice cannot get out.

2.u will notice that ur corals will react after a few days to the lowered nutrients, but will bounch back within a few days, dont worry about this.

3.use good test kits

4.make sure ur skimmer is ALWAYS on and running efficiently by cleaning the cup before it fills up.

will keep following ur progress till I get my rice setup again.
just moved my tank and need to get water into it
 
I just also started my rice reactor today. I have about 2 cups of rice in a kent marine reactor. Running a Maxijet 1200 at full bore to tumble the rice. Last night the water was very cloudy, this morning its abit better, and i bet by tomorrow it will be 100% back to clear. All livestock is acting normal and happy. Skimmer went nuts and I had to empty the collection cup twice, but now it has settled back to its normal operation, and is pulling out some decent skimmate.
 
Well, mine has been setup for almost a week now, and the skimmer is pulling out some REALLY nasty, black skimmate that stinks to the high heavens. My Cyano got worse at first, but is now starting to string up. I also now have some brown algae starting to form. The front glass was COVERED in it today when i got home. I will see what the glass looks like tomorrow. Im going to give it a good solid month before I form any sort of opinion or conclusion. My nitrates are at 10ppm, and phosphates have always been undetectable.
 
I love it, people talk down about other products, but I obviously missed something because this guy puts rice in his tank... LOL
 
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