my ritteri has arrived

[BonsaiNut]

once i had a very sick rbta that unfortunately failed. all the same with what i'm seein now. but even that sick, it could catch shrimp chunks

so that's my guess

If your anemone is not used to eating shrimp, it may not recognize shrimp as a food item.

Additionally, feeding is a high-energy activity. If your anemone is stressed due to changes in environment, it will often lack the desire to eat until it has acclimated to its new setting. This is particularly the case if it is actively expelling zooxanthellae (dead or alive). You will only see this during a dramatic change in environment.

You are now treating your anemone for a bacterial infection. Though it may NOW have a bacterial infection, you have to ask yourself what CAUSED the bacterial infection - and what were the precursors. Because if you don't address those causes, nothing you do with antibiotics will do a bit of good.

 

[D-Nak]

I think we've seen this happen with countless mags and gigs. Obviously we don't know what's wrong with them and rely on anecdotal evidence to guide us.

The bottom line is that we're all trying to help, but as we see when "second opinions" come into play when visiting the doctor's office, opinions may vary.

Personally, I would not feed, would not dose any meds, keep the light low, the flow just enough to help the nem remove wastes, and cross your fingers, pray, light a candle, etc.

I personally have never seen a gig or mag recover from the standard inflate/deflate not able to eat cycle. Nor have I heard of recovery process using meds that produce consistent results (since we don't know the cause, it's hard to diagnose the cure). If we knew of an acclimation process that produced positive results every time, then we'd all be doing it. I don't mean to start a debate here, just trying to set the OP's expectations.

Best of luck and I'll keep a candle lit for ya!

 

[M Woodhill]

i guess the biggest problem for the nem is

it is injured

three damages are so apparent: two at mouth and one on foot

presumably nem is just a big ball of protein, it is theoretically prone to bacterial infection when both stressed and injured

and an injured nem can show normal signs till its last day--this is what i learned from my last rbta. it stayed the cycle of deflate and inflate. i did nothin but to watch. when it finally dropped itself from the rock, half of its foot was completely rotten

few days later i intro into the tank a health gig that survived in the same water and environment.

 

[OrionN]

Like D-Nak, I think the light should be low, Heater to keep temperature up and current should be low just enough to move the tentacles.
Antibiotic or not, it really up to the reefers. I never have an Magnifica survive deflate and inflate cycle. I do keep a full blown reef as a quarantine for my new anemones and will treat my next anemone if he get into a inflate and deflate cycle

 

[M Woodhill]

Like D-Nak, I think the light should be low, Heater to keep temperature up and current should be low just enough to move the tentacles.
Antibiotic or not, it really up to the reefers. I never have an Magnifica survive deflate and inflate cycle. I do keep a full blown reef as a quarantine for my new anemones and will treat my next anemone if he get into a inflate and deflate cycle

i guess a big progress is its big mouth now tends to close. whatever results there'll be, i guess at least now it shows signs of recoverin

one question:

how long am i supposed to quarantine it?

till the wounds grow well? or what?

now the light is low, just under my bathroom lamp

the mp10 is tuned to 50%

 

[syrinx]

I have a rule for reef tanks that I have made after many, years in the business and hobby, once it goes in- it doesnt come out. I do have people that want to treat their animals- or have me treat them, and I understand their viewpoint. But for me usually the stress of treatment outweighs the effectivness. If something is to the point it is a risk to the tank and I am going to throw it in the trash- sometimes I will try a last ditch effort. In any case the advice offered here by all has been given with friendship- but using antibiotics requires a expert to guide- not the internet. The nearest university with a vet med program will gladly be of assistance.

 

[M Woodhill]

I have a rule for reef tanks that I have made after many, years in the business and hobby, once it goes in- it doesnt come out. I do have people that want to treat their animals- or have me treat them, and I understand their viewpoint. But for me usually the stress of treatment outweighs the effectivness. If something is to the point it is a risk to the tank and I am going to throw it in the trash- sometimes I will try a last ditch effort. In any case the advice offered here by all has been given with friendship- but using antibiotics requires a expert to guide- not the internet. The nearest university with a vet med program will gladly be of assistance.

thanks

but i gotta say'bout last part. guy, we all graduated from a uni so sometimes we do understand how some professors or experts earn their credits

not prof hatred but we went there, we saw and we experienced

 

[OrionN]

One of the sticky thread is "Pedal laceration in Gigantea". In this thread, the OP discussed antibiotic treatment of a sick Gigantea. He threw in the towel too soon IMO, but it seem working.
I would treat it, if it work until the anemone no longer deflates. Then get him back to the main tank. You got to be careful with light once you finish quarantine, if you ever get to this point. Very slowly get the light level back to the current level.
About how much to dose once you got the initial dose of medication, I would dose only on the water you change. In our body, our liver and/or kidney eliminate the medication. In the reef tank, I am sure that there are going to be some breakdown, but doubt that it is very fast so you won't have to dose medication other than in water change. I would make the assumption that the total medication in the tank is almost the same from this AM to tomorrow AM.
Amoxicillin is much better than Penicillin. Baycol was withdraw from human market, only use in animal I think
Good luck

 

[M Woodhill]

One of the sticky thread is "Pedal laceration in Gigantea". In this thread, the OP discussed antibiotic treatment of a sick Gigantea. He threw in the towel too soon IMO, but it seem working.
I would treat it, if it work until the anemone no longer deflates. Then get him back to the main tank. You got to be careful with light once you finish quarantine, if you ever get to this point. Very slowly get the light level back to the current level.
About how much to dose once you got the initial dose of medication, I would dose only on the water you change. In our body, our liver and/or kidney eliminate the medication. In the reef tank, I am sure that there are going to be some breakdown, but doubt that it is very fast so you won't have to dose medication other than in water change. I would make the assumption that the total medication in the tank is almost the same from this AM to tomorrow AM.
Amoxicillin is much better than Penicillin. Baycol was withdraw from human market, only use in animal I think
Good luck

yup, i changed all the water today

and then as doc suggested--but he's def for human beins, i used combination of amoxicillin and volesef, a stronger antibiotic

if fine, tomorrow i can reduce to 2 capsules by just changin half water then if fine, i'll continue the process till its mouth wounds recover--if there's one day

 

[M Woodhill]

yet the doc--much much heart warmer than those vets in ottawa--believe those purple chunks or waste led to infection

he--def from a human perspectives--explained his idea to me

nem wounded and stressed---self immune system broke down---some collagen protein sealin the wounds---like similar tissues in human bodies they r prone to be infected---infection leads to tissue necrosis---purple chunks i saw

i guess i put my last straw on his prescription

 

[BonsaiNut]

i guess i put my last straw on his prescription

I'm not so sure. From what I have read I would be with AD87 on this one. Though we can't be sure, it is possible (likely?) that you are dealing with a vibrio spp. bacteria.

 

[M Woodhill]

I'm not so sure. From what I have read I would be with AD87 on this one. Though we can't be sure, it is possible (likely?) that you are dealing with a vibrio spp. bacteria.

thanks

i guess i can pass this important info to him and try some human drugs designed for it

or could i try some amino acid?

this is my humble thought, eeeeeeeh

cuz i used it for sps's and received kinda positive results. it did help bleached corals grow tissues back

 

[BonsaiNut]

Everyone will have an opinion. If I were treating this anemone with antibiotics, I would be most concerned about getting the dosage right, maintaining super high oxygen levels and good water movement in the quarantine tank, changing the water frequently, and treating the waste water to destroy the antibiotic agents. I would also make sure I used low level lighting of the type that was in my community tank. I wouldn't do ANYTHING else - no feeding, no supplements, no moving, no messing with it. Let it alone - run your antibiotic treatment and let it sit and recover. If you have a good quality UV that you can run your makeup water through that would also be good - you want the water going into quarantine to be as sterile as possible.

I have had anemones that wrapped around heaters and melted almost in half recover completely. They have amazing powers of recuperation if the environment is right and you let them sit and don't pester them.

 

[M Woodhill]

thanks all u guys

and special thanks to my boss, who gave me 2 days off to take care of the little critter

he's always so nice

the anemone never seems completely deflated now

the mouth closes but gazes out occasionally. but it never becomes fully inflated again

some snapshot from my iphone. i never thought one day it could be used as monitorin camera

first was taken last evening be4 water change

and the rest taken this mornin. after water change to now, it just stays like this. sometimes the mouth opens but closes shortly afterwards

one weird thing is water becomes clearer. yesterday water became cloudier little by little

 

[BonsaiNut]

Where is your water movement? Doesn't look like the water is moving AT ALL. Remember that anemones absorb oxygen from the water around them and have very limited abilities to respire. If you keep an anemone in still water you are suffocating it. H. magnifica in particular likes strong water movement - in the wild it sits up on top of rocks in full tidal flow.

Also - don't forget that there will be a lot of proteinous waste in your medical tank. If you can't skim the water, make sure that you are agitating the surface via venturi. Otherwise you will have a coating of protein on the top of the water that will be blocking oxygen absorption. Keep the dissolved oxygen levels as high as possible!

White cloudiness may mean that your anemone is a male and has been releasing sperm - which they do when stressed.

 

[M Woodhill]

Where is your water movement? Doesn't look like the water is moving AT ALL. Remember that anemones absorb oxygen from the water around them and have very limited abilities to respire. If you keep an anemone in still water you are suffocating it. H. magnifica in particular likes strong water movement - in the wild it sits up on top of rocks in full tidal flow.

White cloudiness may mean that your anemone is a male and has been releasing sperm - which they do when stressed.

the water flow is kinda strong but not reflected by the phone camera

i placed an mp10 behind the egg crate and tuned it to 60% efficiency. gonna increase efficiency 10% day by day after every water change. so last day the mp10 will be workin at maximum

 

[BonsaiNut]

Make sure you are agitating the SURFACE of the water. I normally have a skimmer in my quarantine tank but if you don't have a skimmer you almost HAVE to use a venturi on your powerhead. Otherwise there will be a thin film of protein on the surface of the water (because you are using a tub and there is nowhere for the protein to go). Just moving low oxygen water around does not do your anemone any good - you have to have high water movement at the surface and no protein blocking oxygen transfer. If you can't run a venturi, throw an airstone in there.

 

[M Woodhill]

i guess if so, i can tune the mp10 to short pulse model

and the ritteri is startin bleachin to some extent

yet the mouth seems really closed and stopped deflatin, though not fully opened

 

[M Woodhill]

yet i guess the biggest problem is still the mouth

i'd try my best to take a pic

it's not a round, it's fairly like a cut--though now it closed so it's a line

and u can't see the rim of mouth

 

[M Woodhill]

finally i got the pix of mouth with my camera

the cut is kinda clear, just under the mouth

so the mouth is not regular round with a rim

this ritteri probably dooms--once be4 i had gigs, bta and leathery, i guess mag resembles bta, body is kinda soft and very likely to be torn. and once they r torn, their destiny dooms