my ritteri has arrived

[M Woodhill]

finally closed mouth

vets-said scares of bacterial infection

the changing of pump direction

it's said water should surge and press down towards a mag, rather than direct flow on its body

yet probably i need one or two more to mimic a reef rushin-down surge

and i gotta cancel my night wave decrease cuz waves don't sleep at night. they vary from a variety of factors like tides, winds and weather but they don't shift between day and night

well, i've done whatever those vets told me except dosin medicine to dt

what i can do now is put the destiny of the nem to god

 

[D-Nak]

it now enters a probable state of last breath before death
well, presumin the entire dt is in good condition with lots of expensive and exotic sps's, i'd better leave the nem there now

Praise the Lord we have a breakthrough. I'm kidding, sorta.

To summarize... When you purchase a mag, there are only two possible choices:

1. Put it in the DT and hope for the best, and DON'T mess with it. Lower the light and lower the flow, just enough to move its tentacles. If it needs more light or flow, it will look for it. Most come in sick and are too weak to do anything but sit tight and try to get better (or die). Don't feed it, don't poke at it, don't try to move it, don't sit it in front of the television, don't give it a sponge bath.

2. Set up a dedicated quarantine tank for the nem. Meds can be attempted, but since we don't know the cause of illness, we can't provide the cure. It's a crap shoot to see if it turns out okay.

In both cases, the nem should be isolated from the clowns if you have them, to avoid stressing them out. Despite what we think we might see, I don't think clowns are smart enough to actually "help" out the nem. More often than not, they are too rough on the nem and stress it out even more. Case in point -- I was trying to to nurse a sick gig, so I moved my clowns into a critter keeper. They started fighting so a removed on of them. It began trying to torpedo its way into the gig's mouth. When I tried to feed the gig, the clown would remove the food -- I don't think it was because the clown knew the gig didn't want to be fed. The gig was actually showing a feeding response at the time.

Also, in both cases, stability is the key. Most anemones don't like changes in pH (I was told a .3 change makes a difference) and all other parameters should be stabilized PRIOR to bringing in the nem. I personally recommend not adding calcium since nems don't need much calcium (not sure if they even do since they are mainly water and don't need it to build a calciferous structure) since calcium additives tend of affect pH.

And finally, I've been on the boards for a while now and have had all sorts of nems. In all cases of mags and gigs going into an inflate/deflate cycle, I have NEVER seen one survive -- ever. I've read a couple of articles written by some experts who recommend that collection be banned since we can't figure out how to acclimate them.

 

[M Woodhill]

Praise the Lord we have a breakthrough. I'm kidding, sorta.

To summarize... When you purchase a mag, there are only two possible choices:

1. Put it in the DT and hope for the best, and DON'T mess with it. Lower the light and lower the flow, just enough to move its tentacles. If it needs more light or flow, it will look for it. Most come in sick and are too weak to do anything but sit tight and try to get better (or die). Don't feed it, don't poke at it, don't try to move it, don't sit it in front of the television, don't give it a sponge bath.

2. Set up a dedicated quarantine tank for the nem. Meds can be attempted, but since we don't know the cause of illness, we can't provide the cure. It's a crap shoot to see if it turns out okay.

In both cases, the nem should be isolated from the clowns if you have them, to avoid stressing them out. Despite what we think we might see, I don't think clowns are smart enough to actually "help" out the nem. More often than not, they are too rough on the nem and stress it out even more. Case in point -- I was trying to to nurse a sick gig, so I moved my clowns into a critter keeper. They started fighting so a removed on of them. It began trying to torpedo its way into the gig's mouth. When I tried to feed the gig, the clown would remove the food -- I don't think it was because the clown knew the gig didn't want to be fed. The gig was actually showing a feeding response at the time.

Also, in both cases, stability is the key. Most anemones don't like changes in pH (I was told a .3 change makes a difference) and all other parameters should be stabilized PRIOR to bringing in the nem. I personally recommend not adding calcium since nems don't need much calcium (not sure if they even do since they are mainly water and don't need it to build a calciferous structure) since calcium additives tend of affect pH.

And finally, I've been on the boards for a while now and have had all sorts of nems. In all cases of mags and gigs going into an inflate/deflate cycle, I have NEVER seen one survive -- ever. I've read a couple of articles written by some experts who recommend that collection be banned since we can't figure out how to acclimate them.

i don't guess clowns r as clever as a vet

but let's just think about the power of nature

they reply on each other in the wild---and who can guarantee there r no bad things happenin upon either of them?

i guess the problem rises just cuz after shipment some nems r 2 sick 2 receive the care from clowns--be aware they r just fish without hands, feet, least those medical tools

all they could do to help is nippin away those waste

believe, i really watched very closely what happened between the sick gig and its host. i even made a vid diary unfortunately ruined together with the laptop. i actually record every nem. since i'm always told how hard to keep one, i guess if i learn from one by one by keepin recorded the entire process, i can finally learn more and master how to take care of'em

except for bta--cuz i only prefer ocellaris or percula--nemos in the movie, i've witnessed twice clowns nipped the mouths of gigs--one sick and the other healthy. i didn't see any harm. i guess the clowns finally made the sick gig survive. it was like a chimney smokin out mucus---def not sperm

once again i'd like to repeat to tell what i saw. they snout or smell around the mouth. sometimes they passed away. and if they started to nip or even torpedo into the mouth, the mouth would sooner or later gaped and expelled lots of mucus chunks. the clowns then picked'em away and then the mouth closed and the gig inflated again. it lasted for few month and finally the gig made it. it lived in my tank for more than a year and then was gifted to a friend and died 4 months later due to unknown reasons---probably without any nemos hostin it

for the mag, it is too sick with bad bacterial infection that is decayin its body. the clowns r still eager to pick away the waste, but probably brutal nippin def hurts more. in a clean and sterilized environment, such surgery brings no problem but in a tank full of bacteria, such behaviors def bring more harm

 

[M Woodhill]

besides, i do agree

In all cases of mags and gigs going into an inflate/deflate cycle, I have NEVER seen one survive

i had 7 nems. 4 rbta--one inflated and deflated--let it be policy--death

2 gigs--one inflated and deflated and smoked like a chimney--with help of clowns, made it for a while of more than a year

1 mag--uncertain but almost doomed destiny

i guess inflation and deflation CANNOT be simply interpreted as a sign of acclimation. it is really a bad sign of nem. so i'd like to hear more about other guys' inflation and deflation nems

i saw 2 rbta acclimatin---if they were 2 weak to move, they just KEPT DEFLATED TILL THEY COULD MOVE AND THEN MOVED KINDA QUICKLY TO WHERE THEY LIKE. they didn't deflate for a while and the inflate for a while

 

[syrinx]

??? sorry I think I am misunderstanding you. Were you responding to my question? Do you think a vet will know ANYTHING about sea anemones?

Some vets actually specialise in such things. I have many vets that I use- and yes the license plate of one is "FISHDOC".

 

[M Woodhill]

so accurate

at around 2, it started to deflate

 

[BonsaiNut]

Some vets actually specialise in such things. I have many vets that I use- and yes the license plate of one is "FISHDOC".

LOL - big difference between koi and anemones. Kinda like saying "my crested gecko is sick so I called a brain surgeon - after all, they both took BIOLOGY!"

Regardless, this has to be the most bizarre thread I've ever encountered on Reef Central. I've never seen an anemone die and be resurrected so many times I'm just hanging around to see what the next emergency will be!

 

[M Woodhill]

LOL - big difference between koi and anemones. Kinda like saying "my crested gecko is sick so I called a brain surgeon - after all, they both took BIOLOGY!"

Regardless, this has to be the most bizarre thread I've ever encountered on Reef Central. I've never seen an anemone die and be resurrected so many times I'm just hanging around to see what the next emergency will be!

I guess at my school there r experts on sessile animals

And I also guess fortunately there r pets that study and treat diseases of invertebrates

And due to their unique body structure, an anemone probably takes half a year to die. During the process, it could resurrect many times cuz of their stem cells distribution

A live tentacle probably leads to resurrection of an entire body. A rotten tentacle can also lead to the demise. Fortunately there r still someone that really studies invertebrates in universities

 

[BonsaiNut]

I guess at my school there r experts on sessile animals

And I also guess fortunately there r pets that study and treat diseases of invertebrates... ...Fortunately there r still someone that really studies invertebrates in universities

I see. And do you have a source for any of this? A scientific paper? A text? Without a reference you're just spouting gibberish. I have listened as this thread has gotten weirder and weirder, and we have wandered from science into fantasyland.

So since you seem quite content to challenge other peoples' credibility, I'd like to challenge yours. I'd like to see a reference for any of the following statements:

And due to their unique body structure, an anemone probably takes half a year to die.

During the process, it could resurrect many times cuz of their stem cells distribution

A live tentacle probably leads to resurrection of an entire body.

Because as far as I know you are making up these statements and many of the other statements you have posted in this thread. But here's a chance to prove me wrong. Share your source...

Additionally, many of the things you are suggesting are just the OPPOSITE of what you want to do. Treat a display tank with antibiotics? Really? How are you going to handle the ammonia spike when you wipe out your entire bacteria population? This is madness. Try reading a book first.

 

[M Woodhill]

I see. And do you have a source for any of this? A scientific paper? A text? Without a reference you're just spouting gibberish. I have listened as this thread has gotten weirder and weirder, and we have wandered from science into fantasyland.

So since you seem quite content to challenge other peoples' credibility, I'd like to challenge yours. I'd like to see a reference for any of the following statements:







Because as far as I know you are making up these statements and many of the other statements you have posted in this thread. But here's a chance to prove me wrong. Share your source...

Additionally, many of the things you are suggesting are just the OPPOSITE of what you want to do. Treat a display tank with antibiotics? Really? How are you going to handle the ammonia spike when you wipe out your entire bacteria population? This is madness. Try reading a book first.

yup, try readin a book first

most of commercial fish drug is designed to kill those that infect your fish but maintain those that keep your water clean

otherwise those guys my at school UNNECESSARILY STUDY VETERINARY AND DO EXPERIMENTS IN LABS TO FIGURE WHAT ANTIBIOTICS DO BEST

you don't even have to read a book

just purchase a bottle of fish erythromycin and READ THE INSTRUCTIONS on it

IT IS A PITTA THAT NO ONE SPONSOR SUCH EXPERIMENTS ON ANEMONE BUT THERE ARE SOME ONE SPONSORIN SIMILAR ON OTHER COMMERCIAL SESSILE ANIMALS

FURTHERMORE, NONE OF ANTIBIOTICS ARE ABLE TO WIPE OUT YOUR BIOLOGICAL SYSTEM CUZ EVERY ANTIBIOTICS HAVE ITS OWN SPECTRUM

SO ONCE AGAIN, I GOTTA REITERATE THAT ACCURATE DOSAGE AND CORRECT PROCEDURE WILL DEPRESS OR SUPPRESS THE BIOLOGICAL FILTERING SYSTEM BUT NOT DEVASTATE IT

so the source is every place. at least THERE R PLENTY OF FISH DRUGS ON SHELF DESIGNED TO TREAT THE DT

HOWEVER YOU CAN ALWAYS BE RIGHT AS LONG AS YOU THINK SO

 

[LoneRanger]

I have chosen NOT to post in this thread due to the ridiculous context and lack of knowledge contained herein.

waste of cyber space imo.


L.R.

 

[M Woodhill]

I have chosen NOT to post in this thread due to the ridiculous context and lack of knowledge contained herein.

waste of cyber space imo.


L.R.

Yup, exactly. just like u chose not to post but sneaked in and posted



well, since bein lack of knowledge, i am tryin to contact a lab of the ottawa u

when this nem passes away, i'd like to send it there and check if it is infected and what bacterium did so

i'm not a let-it-be-and-then-die guy

i guess i agree the point that inflation and deflation cycle means bacterial infection and death--well, i have source this time just in this thread

i'd do--at least attempt to see what on earth is behind the curtain or curse of inflation and deflation

 

[olemiss reb]

I'd like to see a reference for any of the following statements:

^this and

TYPING IN ALL CAPS DOES NOT MAKE A STATEMENT TRUE- just difficult to read

 

[M Woodhill]

^this and

TYPING IN ALL CAPS DOES NOT MAKE A STATEMENT TRUE- just difficult to read

TYPING IN CAPS JUST ENSURES THOSE WORDS WILL BE READ

true or not----given references are also denied----who cares

 

[garygb]

I sincerely hope your magnifica recovers. For what it's worth, I'm a successful, long-term magnifica keeper (just over 10 years now for one) and I think you shouldn't remove the anemone and expose it to antibiotics. For now, I believe you should provide it with excellent water quality achieved through small regular water changes, protein skimming and the use of activated carbon. I would keep an eye on nitrates and keep them as low (preferably undetectable) as possible. I suggest you keep the sg at 1.026-1.027 using an accurately calibrated refractometer or a large (quality) hydrometer. I would keep the temperature in the 80-82F range. As far as feeding, I would try small, as I mentioned before the size of a small peanut, pieces of fresh shrimp or PE Mysis. Other than that just pray and...well, pray ; )

 

[AD87]

If and when it does die, what do you plan to do with the anemone?

 

[ken6217]

If and when it does die, what do you plan to do with the anemone?

What kind of question is that? Based on your signature, are you the Jeffrey Dahmer of the reef world?
Ken

 

[AD87]

What kind of question is that? Based on your signature, are you the Jeffrey Dahmer of the reef world?
Ken

Well in his above post he plans on sending it to a lab to test to see if any bacteria may have caused its demise.

The Dahmer comment I dont get....

 

[ken6217]

I hadn't read back that far. I was joking in the comment though.
Ken

 

[AD87]

My bad i had a brain lapse... i didnt get ur comment at the time... haha.