My Ultimate Multi Mantis System(s)

[Kharn]

So I feel the thread name is more deserving with the addition of the sumps.

Due to the nature of the Nems I am getting and them being on very short term stocking...(basically others want them so if I don't take them they will go to someone else).

I have really knuckled down and got to work on the tank for the intended nems, in the form of my largest DIY Fake Wall construction yet 900mm Long x 300mmTall. (3 individual pieces).




The plateau is intended for the possibility of a 3rd different nem, hopefully a small RBTA, the Hells Fire is going to be by itself in the half without a plateau and must remain alone aside some specific shrimp like Emperor that will host it.

Getting a Harlequin Crab for the Mini Maxi just to increase the :O factor

 

[Calappidae]

Lissocarcinus laevis (harlequin crab) host hell's fire anemones..

Emperor shrimp host certain nudibranch and cucumbers not anemones. Sexy shrimp+porcelain anemone crabs on the other hand will give off a delightful display on the mini maxis.

 

[Kharn]

I don't believe anything host hell's fire anemones.. for obvious reasons

Emperor shrimp host certain nudibranch and cucumbers not anemones. Sexy shrimp+porcelain crabs on the other hand will give off a delightful display on the mini maxis.

"In the wild they have a symbiotic relationship with some Periclimenes sp. of shrimp. They do not host clownfish."

http://animal-world.com/Aquarium-Coral-Reefs/Hells-Fire-Anemone

If it can hose something I am more then happy I just want each nem having something hosting it and something different to the previous

Going to introduce the "hopeful" hosts with the nem I "hope" the host.

A Harlequin crab on the Mini Maxi I have planned O.O .... Can't wait to shoot pix

 

[Calappidae]

A Harlequin crab on the Mini Maxi I have planned O.O .... Can't wait to shoot pix

Actually I just edited the last post I made..


Your harlequin crab.. assuming Lissocarcinus laevis.. actually host hell's fire They leave any other nem http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2283599

 

[Kharn]

Actually I just edited the last post I made..


Your harlequin crab.. assuming Lissocarcinus laevis.. actually host hell's fire They leave any other nem http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2283599

Sweet even better as I said, I prefer Crabs to Shrimp any day I just think crabs are more noticeable and really cool!

So at least 1 Harlequin in each half if i get another Mini Maxi nem for the substrate I might get a Porcelain Crab (or pair would be great) for it instead of another Harlequin.

But I do want a BTA of some sort on that ledge (hopefully) for clowns to host (hopefully).

Really kool that a Hells Fire will host a Harlequin Crab

 

[Kharn]

This Harlequin Crab is hosting inside a Hells Fire nem



Seals the deal

 

[Fartin'Gary]

I dunno, once you get about 10 or more sexy shrimp together it's quite comical. It looks like a dance club with a bunch of big booties shaking all around.

 

[Calappidae]

Anemone porcelaibn crabs live in pairs. They also live happily with sexy shrimp.

Be careful tho.. housing two different species of anemones in the same tank is asking for nukleur warfare.. even if it's bta+mini maxi mix. Same species I don't know how that works but I don't see an issue with it.

Anemones will move and relocate until they find a comfortible place.. some species more often than others.. if they collide there's a major issue waiting to happen.. Condylactus is the worst for this reason.. BTA's sting is very weak and nearly harmless and it doesn't move as much, and mini maxi's sting is fairly strong like a carpet (not as) but they don't move much at all either.

Also screen off any pumps and powerheads.. otherwise you may be losing a whole system.



*shrugs* I'd be scared to even think about killing a hell's fire.. that would litteraly kill and nuke any system anyday..

 

[TundraGuy]

*shrugs* I'd be scared to even think about killing a hell's fire.. that would litteraly kill and nuke any system anyday..[/QUOTE]

And just think of the stink coming from the skimmer..... opps just threw up in my mouth a little.

 

[Fartin'Gary]

My mini maxi barely moves at all. It does not like to be in flow strong enough to fold it over or push it around but it will move to where it can get maximum light. Mine likes to be near the top facing the light. It looks amazing under moonlight. It has not moved in a year from that spot. I feed it once a month if I remember. I have watched it eject waste once or twice. Pretty disgusting. My wife calls it the butthole nem.

 

[Kharn]

The Mini Maxi is the prime target...

The Hells Fire I am still willing to try...the tanks in a good position that if something did go wrong "Nuke" wise I could shut down that tank alone quickly whilst the system keeps going.

Having said that.....Hells Fire Nems are extremely easy to care for from what I have read, almost like Aptasia but it doesn't spread and gets much larger, so I don't think it will die :X...

There is no possible way the Nems will make contact with one another that is positive (as far as nems in opposite compartments).

I am worried about chemical warfare and should it occur the Hells Fire will be first out.

Having said that I have seen many many images online of peoples tanks with various nems in it, usually bubble tip and BTA.

I just want to recreate that in the plateau compartment but very small scale and keep it small scale via fragging, fragging the Mini Maxi will be like gold!

 

[Kharn]

On the subject of Hosting critters...

I'm still inclined to go with the Nem Crabs first

Called around yesterday and was on FB chatting with a few people, you can keep more then 1 Harlequin Crab to 1 nem just depends if they will like each other and I know 2 that do which are close and have been together on same nem in same tank

So they would go to the Hells Fire...

Same bloke also has a pair (male female) of porcelains that would be perfect for this rainbow Mini Maxi I got lined up

Finally if I get a BTA for the Mini Maxi half I would be looking at a peaceful clown type like Skunks

Now if for whatever reason the BTA & Mini Maxi Do no get along, I would hopefully swap out the BTA and hopefully be able to get a really nice Hammer/Anchor/Torch for some clowns to hopefully host...(at this point I'd be worried about clowns taking Mini Maxi from crabs, hence I want the peaceful clowns like Skunks).

 

[Kharn]

IF for whatever reason it fails...

The Hells Fire proves to much and literally is the Fire of Hell which must be removed....then it will be and replaced with likely an RBTA.

I don't see a problem with RBTA in the half that has no plateau and Mini Maxis in the half that does have the plateau.

They will NEVER touch and I have seen BTAs & Mini Maxis in same tank before.

 

[Kharn]

If the Hells Fire is that tough (as I have been told and am reading...) I might just throw it in the Live Food tank temporarily (if things don't work out in the Nem Display).

Till I can sell it / find it a home.

This nem does make me nervous due to its extremely potent sting, however its not why I want it...it is unique, that is why I want it and they rarely turn up, mixed in with this ones really nice colors along with its very easy to keep nature made it attractive, the harlequin crabs hosting it sold the deal xD...

 

[Kharn]

Also screen off any pumps and powerheads.. otherwise you may be losing a whole system.

DIY Fake Walls :deadhorse:

Ain't nothing getting trapped when only the output pump nozzle pokes through the wall (hides all equipment internally & protects nems).

EDIT: This is the reason I haven't got them yet... the tank and water is ready but the tank that is planned is bare right now I cleaned out all the substrate after the Stomatopod died within, the wall will go in today and the aqua scaping will begin as brief as it will be cause I want it to stay as bare bottom as possible.

I have terracotta pots lined up for both Hells Fire & BTA on plateau and flat large hand sized pieces of Live Rock for Mini Maxi, if everything worked and the nems liked the homes that I "offer" it would look damn good!

 

[Calappidae]

Mini maxis won't host clowns..

However my anemone crab which was hosting a ric stole the BTA I wanted the clowns to host.. Clowns would've kicked it out IF they ever actually hosted it..

Clownfish don't just see a nem and host it that easily. Infact it could be a year or never for the clowns to successfully find and host the nem.. mine have yet to find the nem.. when even acclimated in the same bag..

Ironically tho.. on the topic of your clowns not hosting the mini maxis.. they still have a chance that they will.. before the anemones nuked the entire 55 gallon tank from stupid mistakes of mine.. I had a pair of clarkii clowns hosting the dreaded condylatus anemones. Anemones which were claimed to not host clowns whatsoever..

Clowns are weird.. nuff said :lol:

 

[Calappidae]

If the Hells Fire is that tough (as I have been told and am reading...) I might just throw it in the Live Food tank temporarily (if things don't work out in the Nem Display).

Till I can sell it / find it a home.

This nem does make me nervous due to its extremely potent sting, however its not why I want it...it is unique, that is why I want it and they rarely turn up, mixed in with this ones really nice colors along with its very easy to keep nature made it attractive, the harlequin crabs hosting it sold the deal xD...

Definitly go for it!

Um... one thing tho.. one way to tell if an anemone is healthy.. is if it's "Sticky".. of course gloves or even tongs would solve that issue.

Like I said, it may or may not happen.. like gary said, mini maxis will go to where they feel the lighting is good and the water flow is good.. if the mini maxis AND the BTA think the same spot is good.. then you may have a problem.. hell's fire will do the same thing and that definitly would be an even worser issue.. I'd had BTAs die before and it never affected anything.. two condylactus were enough to crash a 55 gallon..

and by nucleur warfare that's the anemones touching eachother and one releasing chemicals as a death response.

 

[Kharn]

Nuclear War I thought came from the nems feeling the presence of one another in the water more so then each other touching....touching (beyond same species) is the end for 1...chemical war is the warning before the end for 1...

The Hells Fire will NOT be able to touch the Mini Maxi or BTA (look at the DIY wall... you see the divider in the middle, that will meet the front of the tank, thus cutting the tank into 2 equal halves.

However the possible BTA & Mini Maxi I have planned might touch, something I will watch with sharp eyes...having said that I see "hopefully" the mini maxi destroying the BTA should that happen, something I am willing to allow seeing the Mini Maxi is far nicer... either way it's a gamble in this half only (physical contact).

As for the hosting creatures, I totally spoke from a "I really hope" point of view...I am well aware of the sometimes difficult to impossible ability of getting certain specific hosts to host within nems but I'm also aware of the sometimes instantaneous bond they could have attracting to each other within minutes/hours.

Again another gamble, I don't know maybe I am just more optimistic then most but I always tend to look at the greatest possible outcome and so far....it has all worked , from the giant spearer tanks to the DIY projcets :X....they have all come true.

 

[Kharn]

The nem DIY Wall & Divider combo is now cooked and drying out in the hot aussie sun

Shortly when it dries I'll cut, drill and manipulate it how I need to for the sake of it fitting neatly into the tank, good thing is the tank is literally ready for it with nothing to take out xD, I emptied the tank a while ago cause I just didn't want all that substrate sitting in their building up whatever.

 

[Kharn]

What would be AWESOME is if the nems really love the wall and attach to it that would make my day and I think also seal the deal on the walls overall effectiveness