Mysterious fish deaths are more common now (Flukes)

any updates on the people that used it in their system?

I'm thinking of using it in my FOWLR tank, do you guys think it's ok for a FOWLR.
 
I'm quite sure PraziPro is safe for FOWLR. I use it in my quarantine tank and it has no ill effects on the biological "mechanics" of the live rock.

I would like to know if anyone has used PraziPro in a LPS and/or SPS reef environment.
 
This thread has definitely been most insightful. Thanks for all the helpful info.

Right now I have a 2" Powder Blue, 2"Scribbled Rabbitfish and 2" Bartlett's Anthias in my 50g quarantine. They've been in there for a little over a week and seem to have very healthy appetites. The Tang and Rabbitfish actually go through an entire sheet of nori almost every day. A couple days ago I noticed the tang with a few light blotches on it's body and it tends to swim around a bit hyper-like. I also noticed a small white "skin tag"-type thing behind its eye.

Before I start over-diagnosing and subect the poor guy to treatment, I'd like to confirm if it really is flukes. Do flukes lay flat on the body or can it look like a flap of skin? Can the slight discoloration also be signs of stress? It's appetite is strong and breathing seems normal. Other fish seem pretty healthy.

Sorry for the lengthy post, just want to make sure I've covered everything. Any suggestions? I'm hoping its simply a piece of skin from scratching a rock.

Thanks!
 
It doesn't hurt to treat with PraziPro. I treat every new fish with it. Flukes are seemingly very common. I think treating every incoming fish for them is a necessity .. even if it's just for piece of mind.
 
Is PraziPro anything like treating with copper where it pretty much kills everything biological in the tank? I use an older wet/dry 50gal uniquarium as my quarantine using rubble rock to replace the bio balls. Will the medication always be on the rocks?

Are inverts safe? I have a cleaner shrimp in that tank as well. And has anyone had experience treating a Powder Blue Tang with that stuff?

Thanks
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11915046#post11915046 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mikeintosh
Is PraziPro anything like treating with copper where it pretty much kills everything biological in the tank? I use an older wet/dry 50gal uniquarium as my quarantine using rubble rock to replace the bio balls. Will the medication always be on the rocks?

Are inverts safe? I have a cleaner shrimp in that tank as well. And has anyone had experience treating a Powder Blue Tang with that stuff?

Thanks

From the previous threads and posts Prazipro is reef safe with the exception of worms (feather dusters) and Xenias. Prazipro does not affect your biological filter or live rocks unlike copper. It does make your skimmer go crazy and over flow so leave your skimmer off or adjust your skimmer water level lower.
 
shoulda READ this thread!!

shoulda READ this thread!!

well my priced Vlamingi died last night ): it has not been eating for maybe 3 days i think it was the new fishes i bought that brought the FLUKES. I have been watching the rest of the fishes and all look healthy and eating..

Q: should i pull out all of the fish and quarantine it to a praziPro tank OR just wait if i see sign of Flukes??

anybody else use PraziPro their main system? fought off ICk now this happens! UGH!
 
I would treat all of your fish if you suspect flukes. If it's a FO or FOWLR tank you can treat right in the display tank.

I've never gotten a definitive answer as to whether PraziPro is safe for corals, or not.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11918101#post11918101 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by cthetoy
From the previous threads and posts Prazipro is reef safe with the exception of worms (feather dusters) and Xenias. Prazipro does not affect your biological filter or live rocks unlike copper. It does make your skimmer go crazy and over flow so leave your skimmer off or adjust your skimmer water level lower.

it actually doesn't kill the featherdusters or other types of worms in my tank... I overdosed it in my tank and my fishies were gone, but the feather dusters and worms are not affected by it.

Also, I have 3 anems in there and it was fine
 
I have been following this thread because I think I have a sixline wrasse that has flukes. It has been hiding and when it is out in the open it hardly moves and it has cloudy eyes. It is the only fish that is acting this way. All other fish seem to be fine, all eating very well except the wrasse. I have a 135g. FOWLR tank and I have tried to catch him and put him in QT but I have had to luck catching him. I am really afraid to treat in the display tank because I don't want to lose any of my fish. Anyone have an idea how I can catch him.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11962441#post11962441 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by pattibird1
I have been following this thread because I think I have a sixline wrasse that has flukes. It has been hiding and when it is out in the open it hardly moves and it has cloudy eyes. It is the only fish that is acting this way. All other fish seem to be fine, all eating very well except the wrasse. I have a 135g. FOWLR tank and I have tried to catch him and put him in QT but I have had to luck catching him. I am really afraid to treat in the display tank because I don't want to lose any of my fish. Anyone have an idea how I can catch him.

ask 'OrangUtang' he had a 6-line and caught it with a coke bottle method... Not sure how he did it, but ask him how he did it.
 
opps, newbie mistake. I have a Lyretail Wrasse and it's to big to fit the the opening of a coke bottle. Should I just take out all my rock (which is alot) and remove him that way or do you guys think that if he has flukes other of my fish do too and I should treat the display tank?
 
Ok update on PraziPro, I notic that my flame wrasse have fluke so i think my whole system have fluke in its. I dose the PraziPro in to the main system, every thing seem to be ok, that include shrimp, crab, wrasse, clown, coral both soft and sps, all invet. seep to be find that include feature duster. The only thing that not ok is my maxima, die after the dose, I'm not sure it because the PraziPro or not, coz my other clam is doing fine.
Thanks
 
I have clams, Xenia, anenomes, shrimp, crabs (the tank, not me), Zoos, loads of fish in my 270 gal tank, and a fish store with flukes. This will be my third treatment of this tank. This time I bought the BIG bottle of Prazipro and told the LFS owner I'm tired of paying for this stuff since I only stock this tank with his fish. He says he will put Prazipro in every bag of fish I get from now on. I wish he and his wholesalers would just regularly treat their tanks so I don't have to. This stuff kills flukes dead and nothing else. I love it. I thought I had a rather long new tank syndrome until this thread started months ago. My only gripe with this stuff is having to turn off skimming, UV and carbon. It makes me nervous. I have very high bio load. So far I have never lost a fish to flukes after my discovery of Prazipro. Thanks so much for starting this thread.
Kevin
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12017110#post12017110 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by hydrahawk
I'm treating my fish in a QT using hypo method. Will it also kill off flukes?


Hypo will not kill off flukes. I had several fish in hypo before and fish still had flukes.
 
I think the least precaution I would take with a new fish is a fresh water dip. I know it wont get them all but I know if it's a heavy infestation you'll see some fall off in the bath.

As for who should treat for these pests? That's a tough question since whoever does it will need the system and the man-hours and all associated expenses. Then add to that the time lost in recovering money invested in the livestock. All those things just add to the cost and would need to be passed on to the always cost conscious hobbyist.

I've seen fish stores stock wiped out more than once by these.

SteveU
 
Re: Mysterious fish deaths are more common now (Flukes)

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11272723#post11272723 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by cthetoy
I’m starting this thread because over the past year I lost numerous of new fish for unexplained reasons. Until a few months ago I found that my fish were not dying of ich or velvet but FLUKES! Flukes are so common that I can even spot fish at the LFS that has symptoms of flukes.

Just a warning for anyone buying new fish from any LFS that a lot of fish carries flukes now. It’s more common in small and large Angels but I’ve seen them in small butterflies as well. I’m not sure about tangs since I haven’t purchase any of them the past year.

The obvious symptoms:

1) Fish twitching the head side to side once in a while like if wanted to shake something off his head.

2) Discolored blotches of skin (Most people think this is velvet or some bacterial infection and misdiagnose it with antibiotics)

3) Frayed fins or tail.

4) Sudden loss of appetite. Fish was fine yesterday but today it’s not eating at all.

5) Cloudy eye(s)

6) Rapid breathing

If you can catch it early the fish will recover fine. If not they will never recover and stop eating completely. In my experience if I caught it after it stops eating for 3 days there’s a chance it will recover. Beyond that it’s usually too late.

Easy Treatment:

You can not see flukes on the fish but if you freshwater dip them you can see them literally fall off the fish from the eyes, gills and under the scales. Its amazing to see how much of it falls off. I kept saying "Where did all these flukes hid?" My small week old 3" Regal Angel had symptoms 1, 4 and 6 so I freshwater dipped it for 10 minutes. The next day his appetite came back. Same goes for my Chysyrus Angel and Goldflake Angel. Flukes are almost the same size and shape as sesame seeds but opaque white after a freshwater dip. Use a flashlight to find them because it’s hard to see the flukes against a white bucket.

Prazipro from Hikari is a great fluke cure as well. I once treated 5 fish that all had flukes. Using the recommended dosage and on the 2nd day my quarantine tank looked like it had a bad case of dandruff but actually they were dead flukes all over the water column.

If you freshwater dip your fish the flukes may come back. I had this happen to me. Some flukes lay eggs on the fish and some lay eggs on the gravel, rocks, etc. Only Prazipro or any fluke medication can kill the flukes in its egg stage. After searching Prazipro is the best fluke medication.

A 10 minute freshwater dip usually works for me. Why 10 minutes? Usually after 3 minute dip most flukes will fall off. Most fish will have flukes on the eye as well and there was one fluke that was still on the eye after 3 minutes. I had to wait till the 10th minute before that fluke finally came off.

Here are some pics from another thread that shows what flukes look like after a freshwater drip
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Here is a picture of Prazipro
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I've purchased all my fish from difference LFS ranging from Orange County to LA County and a few acquired directly from wholesalers.

are we only to use Prazipro in a qt tank or is it safe to use in the main tank?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11274369#post11274369 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by wishntoboutside
great post.
very nice if i would have know this 6 8 months ago. =) i learned the hard way. my freinds angel tank to hits and hits until using the prazi pro, i do recall it would kill lion fish or something like that wierd. fyi

Anyone else have comments regarding Prazipro and lionfish? I suspected flukes on my fish a number of months ago and a freshwater dip seemed to confirm it. I treated the main with PraziPro. Shortly after that my seemingly healthy lionfish died. I had him 6-10 months, eating good (variety of frozen food), active, and growing and found him mysteriously floating dead in the tank one day. I never was able to pinpoint the cause and have been shy to try one again until I can figure out what went wrong. The tang and wrasses in the tank seem to be fine after the treatment.
 
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