Tuscaquatics
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They're not gonna be exactly the same, though. That's the reality.
Name this chalice?
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They're not gonna be exactly the same, though. That's the reality.
franklypre
New member
Color has everything to do with lighting, I have 2 colonies and several frags of a chalice that looks exactly like this one. Big Frank's "barny's revenge". I personnaly disagree with the name branding of coral.
Tuscaquatics
Active member
That's why people usually try to use a standard color temp. for their lighting when comparing different corals. You'll notice how on some websites they'll say something like "photo'd under 14000K MH."
SkullV
They Got My Number
It doesn't matter who collects the corals for Tyree. Once they hit his tank if they are unnamed and he slaps his name on them they become Tyree corals. Something that you can not collect, can not name, and can not sell unless you got it from that lineage (unless you choose to be dishonest). Do you think Phil Knight (Founder of Nike) is over there in the 3rd wold sewing up shoes? No, of course he has not. He has however earned a reputation which allows him to sell cheaply made shoes at a huge price and get away with it. Tyree, Fox, ORA, and whoever else has also earned this reputation. Whether or not you choose to pay their price or not is up to you, but something you can not do is call something that you collect or purchase without a name a Tyree, Fox, ORA, etc. coral. If you want you can call it an israel.kendall long polyp toadstool (or whatever else), but I don't think many people would pay an inflated price for that from someone without a well respected reputation in their field.
His being an auto mechanic (while it has absolutely nothing to do with this thread) has nothing to do with his stellar collection or his reputation in the reefing community. No matter what you say, nothing that you purchase that has not at one point come from a mother colony in Jason Fox's tank can be called a Jason Fox coral (unless you choose to be dishonest).
In any case, I do not purchase corals for name, and do not know the name of anything in my tank other then the stuff I purchase from divers den. Everything else gets a "looks like such and such" coral title.
hansnfrans
New member
Man, I started reading through all of this and about halfway through I couldn't read anymore so I apologize if I am stating something that was already said here. From what I read, I think I am agreeing with BigE here...
IMO, when this topic comes up, most people make this more complicated than it has to be. YOU as the buyers determine the worth of a coral. Who cares what somebody wants to call it because YOU as the buyers have total control over the pricing of the coral by what you choose to purchase and at what price you are willing to pay for it. A name does not determine the worth of the coral, you do! Buy your corals based on the colors and you can't go wrong. I haven't seen a chalice yet that is worth more than $50 per eye, I don't care what you call it or how many people are willing to pay $1000 for that eye.
With that said, I personally find the names useful. It helps with shortening the amount of explaining you have to do when referring to a particular color combo on a coral in conversation. Also, lineage is nice because you know the color potential of a coral that you're buying, even if the coral is browned-out upon purchase. I find this useful b/c I tend to brown-out my corals more often than most people
Now, as for a name for your chalice, I would recognize that color morph anywhere. It is, in fact, "Super Rare, Ultra Special, Extra Colorful, Electric, Fluorescent LED-eye, Rainbow Watermelon Chalice"
Seriously though, I never got excited about any watermelon chalices that I've ever seen. But that one you have there is one that I'd definitely put in my tank. Nice find :thumbsup:
IMO, when this topic comes up, most people make this more complicated than it has to be. YOU as the buyers determine the worth of a coral. Who cares what somebody wants to call it because YOU as the buyers have total control over the pricing of the coral by what you choose to purchase and at what price you are willing to pay for it. A name does not determine the worth of the coral, you do! Buy your corals based on the colors and you can't go wrong. I haven't seen a chalice yet that is worth more than $50 per eye, I don't care what you call it or how many people are willing to pay $1000 for that eye.
With that said, I personally find the names useful. It helps with shortening the amount of explaining you have to do when referring to a particular color combo on a coral in conversation. Also, lineage is nice because you know the color potential of a coral that you're buying, even if the coral is browned-out upon purchase. I find this useful b/c I tend to brown-out my corals more often than most people
Now, as for a name for your chalice, I would recognize that color morph anywhere. It is, in fact, "Super Rare, Ultra Special, Extra Colorful, Electric, Fluorescent LED-eye, Rainbow Watermelon Chalice"
Seriously though, I never got excited about any watermelon chalices that I've ever seen. But that one you have there is one that I'd definitely put in my tank. Nice find :thumbsup:
israel.kendall
Padawan Reefer
First off you are the one who said Tyree was pulling them out of the ocean. Since you typed it, i thought you believed it, thus my reply. The part you have right is that yes, he is selling cheap corals at a huge price and getting away with it.
As for putting his name on a coral of mine, no way. There is a setosa in my tank that will never have his name on it again.
My mechanic comment was meant to say he's just a regular Guy, because so many sites hype him up as some sort of world renowned superhero.
Comparing ORA to Tyree or fox is like apples and oranges, they operate totally differently.
You mention the reputation of Tyree and fox. Well, I contend they have two reputations. The Rep I and many others see us that of a rip off artist.
Jeff
Premium Member
Wow, it's called free enterprise. Just because he marks things up does not make him a rip-off artist, it makes him a businessman.Why do you think he's such an evil person? He sells outstanding corals that you don't see often. He also breeds fish that no one else has been able to, something that is very important to this hobby.
Let's pretend this is a hobby, not a science project. Buy what looks good to you and what you can afford.
israel.kendall
Padawan Reefer
First, I'm not saying anyone is an evil person, just rip off artists.
"Many have heard about him the myth the legend a giant of a man who has the largest private collection of exotic corals."
Is the above statement honest or a lie? Does it use false information to advertise something?
Or just take the entire concept of a "Limited Edition" coral. Limited Edition means that it is limited, which can not possibly be accomplished when no one knows how many are in existence (especially when it is known to already exist in other peoples tanks). If you sell someone something, and tell them it is limited, but you have zero control over how many are put into existence, then it is a lie, it is not limited. Any other venue, someone releasing something "Limited Edition" can be asked the key question to limited: "How Many?". By definition, something "Limited" has a set number in existence, these corals do not meet this definition thus it is false advertising.
Here is an example from California Civil Code, not sure how this pertains to corals, but just to give an example of how the law feels about "Limited Edition" things:
(6) "Limited edition" means any collectible that meets all of the
following requirements:
(A) A company has produced a specific quantity of a collectible
and placed it on the open market.
(B) The producer of the collectible has posted a notice, at its
primary place of business, that it will provide any consumer, upon
request, with a copy of a notice that states the exact number of a
collectible produced in that series of limited editions.
(C) The producer makes available, upon request of a consumer,
evidence that the electronic encoding, films, molds, or plates used
to create the collectible have been destroyed after the specified
number of collectibles have been produced.
(D) The sequence number of the collectible and the number of the
total quantity produced in the limited edition are printed on the
collectible.
So I argue no coral should ever be called Limited Edition.
Arguing about this topic seems to be like arguing politics or religion though, no one will ever change each others minds once they have made it up. I'll stop derailing this thread now, sorry about that lol. There is another thread on RC strictly for this topic.
israel.kendall
Padawan Reefer
You asked a question, I answered it. Cool picture though, I'll save it and put it in my "Snappy Forum Comebacks" folder.
Jeff
Premium Member
Yes, and then some. We get it, you think Steven Tyree does not have a right to run his business they way you want him to and make money.
Good, it will come in handy.
People get the way I do around here because when a person enters a conversation that is unable to keep an open mind, imposes themselves on others rather then simply voice a viewpoint and can't back anything up with experience/reputation the Chicagoan comes out. My apologizes for that.
israel.kendall
Padawan Reefer
Um, yeah, I expressed a viewpoint with a law to back it up, but I guess experience and reputation trumps that. You ignored the facts I typed so I will stop typing if it is a waste of time. My only replies here from this point on will be in the form of pictures from my folder.
kingfisherflesh
New member
Make up your own sexy name and sell it for three times whatever you paid for the original frag.
Jeff
Premium Member
Um, yeah, I expressed a viewpoint with a law to back it up, but I guess experience and reputation trumps that. You ignored the facts I typed so I will stop typing if it is a waste of time. My only replies here from this point on will be in the form of pictures from my folder.
Stop while you are behind. Cutting/pasting a law from your state that even you admit is unclear as to how it pertains to this is discussion regarding coral names is not helping you. You did not type "facts" as you say, simply your long rambling viewpoint and something that does not pertain.
Steven Tyree, Ora and others can name their corals anything they want as long as it does not infringe on copyrights. I am pretty sure their lawyers have given the nod. The reason I say "pretty sure" is that they have experience and a reputation to uphold and would not take a chance making themselves look like fools by speaking garbage.
Let it go. We agree that designer names, for the most part, jack up prices. They are also a way of someone putting a brand on something unique and a way of identifying something. What we don't seem to agree on is that hobbyist turned businessmen can do what they want with their products in regards to naming without being called out as scammers. Don't buy their products and you won't be scammed.
HighlandReef
Chalice Monger
Seems like some peep's are taking this personal?
A certain well know seller on e.b@y is a good example, i know of a couple of look a like corals he has been selling under the le names but in fact are not the real deal, it's deceiving and wrong to do. why lie about it?
I am not going to even mention the name, already been a couple threads about it so pointless.
If I like a coral I buy it but if I'm paying top dollar for a le coral, I expect the lineage to pan out, if it doesn't then that's an issue. It's misleading and just plain wrong
I have almost purchased le corals that people had lineage to and when I im'd a few of the peeps just to verify the lineage it didn't pan out, that's just dirty.
Lucky for them I checked before payment. I suppose lucky for me as well
Not to mention you stand a good chance of getting flamed in the feedback forum.
Imo... Just not worth it, if it's a nice coral it will sell itself.
A certain well know seller on e.b@y is a good example, i know of a couple of look a like corals he has been selling under the le names but in fact are not the real deal, it's deceiving and wrong to do. why lie about it?
I am not going to even mention the name, already been a couple threads about it so pointless.
If I like a coral I buy it but if I'm paying top dollar for a le coral, I expect the lineage to pan out, if it doesn't then that's an issue. It's misleading and just plain wrong
I have almost purchased le corals that people had lineage to and when I im'd a few of the peeps just to verify the lineage it didn't pan out, that's just dirty.
Lucky for them I checked before payment. I suppose lucky for me as well
Not to mention you stand a good chance of getting flamed in the feedback forum.
Imo... Just not worth it, if it's a nice coral it will sell itself.
israel.kendall
Padawan Reefer
I posted the law to show you that there are laws governing what people market things as, words matter. There is much more to commercial marketing law than copyrights. Calling something Limited Edition has a very specific meaning.
Ok, lets step it back. You asked me why I said Tyree was ripping people off.
1) He sells ANIMALS as "Limited Edition"
2) The animals are not "limited" nor are they "editions".
3) This is dishonest marketing.
Not sure how to make it any more clear.
Let's let this chalice naming thread get back to naming the chalice.
This thread is meant for people to debate this issue if you want to continue.
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