New 10'-575g Starfire Reef Build

Sabreman0001

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Let the fun begin! After having a 600g 8’long x 36 tall acrylic FOWLR up and running for two+ years, my wife and I got the bug to do a predominately SPS tank …..so initially we where going to just convert that, but then decided to get a 10’ tank with external overflows on the ends and starfire glass on both viewing sides….the tank was ordered last week from Derek at Miracles Aquariums and will be here in 6-7 weeks…..needless to say, I have a lot of work to do….I have watched several other build threads and have found it to be a wonderful way to both gather information and share information. So here we go….come along for the ride…..btw…if you live in Charlotte…..come over and bring your sweat equity for beers and future SPS frags!!!!

Main Display: 575g â€"œ 120” (130” with overflows) x 36” wide x 30.75 tall, 6” euro brace, external overflow boxes on the ends, starfire on both viewing panels….in other words….a small mortgage!!!

Main sump: I have a 180g acrylic tank that I need to add baffles into…easy enough…..I work with acrylic…so no big deal.

In-Line Coral Prop tank: 67g - 36” x 36” x 12”

Refugium: 89g 18.5”x18.5”x60” I plan to run a remote DSB with Cheato and Mangroves…I have two 96W PC with 6500K bulbs….I may switch out to lesser Watt fixtures….

Flow: There will be two -2” drains in each overflow…..all drains will drain into the first compartment of the sump, from the first compartment of the sump, I will use a Sequence dart to pump to the coral prop tank, where I will use two-3/4” seaswirls (need one more used one…)….from the prop tank, I will partially drain into the fuge and partially back into the sump, so I can throttle flow through the fuge, the fuge will then drain into the second from last chamber of the sump to bypass the skimmer. The main return pump will be a sequence hammerhead to two ¾ wavy sea+’s located a 1/3 of the way down either side of the tank. I will run 4 â€"œTunze 6200’s on a 7095 controller to achieve the flow turnover….

Skimmer: I currently have two skimmers that would skim this tank, I have a 32” Aerofoamer (single beckett) or a 6’ dual recirculating beckett. I plan to either use an Iwaki 50 rlt on the aerofoamer or an ampmaster 3000.if I go the recirc…I will use an Iwaki 70rlt or the ampmaster….or I may build a new box for the 6-footer and go for the new needle-wheel dart….likely a project for down the road!!!!

Calc reactor: I currently have a MRC CR-2….I think that initially this will be okay as my coral load will not be huge to start…I plan to build/buy a much larger one after the tank is up and running.

Live Rock: I have approximately 800-900 lbs of Kaleini, Fiji, Marshall Island, and Tonga Branch…mostly all monster size pieces….not sure how much will go into the tank versus sump....depends on how I aquascape

BB or DSB or Faux Sand Bed…..the million dollar question!!!1….here is the deal, my wife has two decent size horseshoe crabs...that she mandates need to go into the tank and they need sand!!!…I do all the cleaning of the tank, which pushes me towards BB or Faux…..I really do not like the look of BB tanks….but on the other hand…I know my 6200’s are going to make a mess of the tank….my initial thoughts are to paint the foam that the tank will sit on tan to match the sand….and then use no more than 1 ½ - 2” aragonite sand bed…..input without making this into a DSB vs. BB thread!!! ?????

Lighting: Over the main display…I was planning on using 4- 400W SE Luminarc III /PFO’s and 4 â€"œ 5’ VHO Actinics as supplement, along with my LED moonlights…I would like to stick with the 4 MHs….but am also considering going to 5…..thoughts??? currently I have 24k hamilton bulbs....but will decide as I get closer which bulbs to go with....

For the Coral prop tank, I will run 1 â€"œ 250W MH on a luminarc and two 96 W PC actinics….

Stand/Canopy: This tank will be built into the wall….however, we have 10’ ceilings on one side where the dining room is, so the wall will only go up about 7’, my plans are to split the wall at the top of the viewing window and mould the 3-4" on either side so I can connect the canopy top to that….I will use 2 â€"œ 32” travel linear actuators and 4 â€"œ Linear slides to raise and lower the top half (canopy) to provide easy access for cleaning…..on the other side of the tank there will only be about 8’ of viewable tank, I plan to put cabinet doors and make them air/light tight somehow.....learned from my last tank…the more access into the tank the better!!!!

Cooling: I am converting a major portion of my 1st garage bay into an enclosed fish room…1’ to 1 1/2’ of the tank will be exposed to this room ….I plan to put a 12000BTU portable A/C with dehumidifier and vented and continuous drain to outside….the room is only about 150 sq ft….and would typically require only 6000BTU….but…I know I will need this much….because… I plan to take the cold air that is near the floor….and using fans/ducts…pull it under the tank to the farside of the tank, then with a large (quiet) fan, blow directly across the lights the length of the tank…pushing the hot air back into the fish room…..another wife requirement is no light bleed through the top of the canopy or the cabinet doors (8' viewing side)!!!! So theoretically, I hope to keep the fish room around 70-75 degrees and the house in the range of 70-75 degrees

Chiller: I have not decided on which make to buy yet, but I plan to buy a 1HP chiller…I am leaning towards the Pacific Coast Imports…since I have a ½ HP (that will be posted FS soon) and has always been great….or a JBJ professional 1 HP….input???? Premium Aquatics recommended I go with the PCI due to a better heat exchanger, better warranty, and easier to get replacement parts….sounds like a plan to me….

Another Chiller issue I need to resolve is where to put the thing!!! I had planned to just put it out in the garden in a little dog house….however….this would create four issues…1, potential failure in winter due to no crank case heater in the compressor which could lead to compressor failure, 2, kills PCI’s warranty, 3, if/when the temp gets over 95 degrees, they are designed to go on thermal shutdown, and 4, my wife really does not want this in her garden….so with this said…I will need to put it into the fish room and ventilate it straight out the wall or up to the sofit via 2-3 4” in-line duct blowers (Home Depot Specials!!!) connected to the bathroom fan exhaust sofit fixtures.

Controller: Here is where I need to go to school on the big controller thread…I was leaning towards an ACIII….X-10 sucks…and I will never use it again (had an ACII and sold it due to X10 issues)…so the amount of DC8s etc that I would have to buy would really rack up costs….I will look into this a little later in the build before I locate all my plugs….

I have tried to be as descriptive as possible to generate some good discussion…..the pics will follow in the next coming days as I start to rip apart my house to get it ready.
 
may i tag? i gotta see thi$ :eek2: i have a few questions and some answers, i dont wanna hog the stage. :rolleyes:
JDM :cool:
 
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I had a few Pacific Coast Imports Chillers, 1/2HP - 1HP. And I did the little dog house thing also. But, I recently got a 1.5HP Tradewinds chiller through Premium Aquatics. I absolutly love this chiller. It is designed to be outside, so no dog shed. It is built very well, much better then the Pacific Coast Imports I had. I highly recommend this chiller to anyone with a big tank. Energy consumption is just below a PC 1HP, you can not beat that at all. I have a few pictures of it on my thread, just click on the red house right of my avitar.
 
okay...chiller solution solved thanks to bstone...getting the 1 1/2 HP Tradewinds....a big plus to this one is that it is actually built on an A/C unit and can be placed outside....I showed it to my wife and she is okay....The chiller will only be about 3-4' from the sump, so Tradewinds is going to give me the controller seperate so I can mount it into my fishroom and never have to touch the unit outside.....sweet!!!!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10217719#post10217719 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Sabreman0001
okay...chiller solution solved thanks to bstone...getting the 1 1/2 HP Tradewinds....a big plus to this one is that it is actually built on an A/C unit and can be placed outside....I showed it to my wife and she is okay....The chiller will only be about 3-4' from the sump, so Tradewinds is going to give me the controller seperate so I can mount it into my fishroom and never have to touch the unit outside.....sweet!!!!

Very cool, it is a sweet chiller!!! Premium Aquatics has free shipping on it too...

Make sure you give it enought flow, I have a dedicated Reeflow Barracuda on it. The water is pulled form one sump then to the chiller then into another sump.

Glad I could help!!!!:)
 
This guy is crazy everyone will enjoy this thread. He has big plans for a big tank. I have known him for a while and he really does his homework
 
David nice talking to today. If you need any help or question's answered just give me a shout....... It sound's like you have some good ideas on your new setup.... Good luck....

Mike...
 
as far as painting the foam under the tank, I had a couple issues with that...First, it scrapes off easily and many paints will melt the foam...be careful about that!

Second, you can't really see it that well because of the reflection off the bottom pane, and once coraline grows over it, it won't look like sand anyway.

How much sand do the horseshoes need? What you could do, depending on that, is what Steve Weast and I did: We only put sand in the viewable areas and left the rest of the tank BB. As you vacuum, some will come out, and over time you can replace it with fresh sand. That way it won't get overloaded with PO4.
 
yup. In fact, if I were to do it again, I would stack the rock on 1 - 2" slices of PVC pipe to get them off the bottom and allow flow under them.

I would only put sand where you can see the bottom around the rocks. Then with strong flow under the rocks, you won't have to worry about detritus building up under them. I believe that the sand should be swapped out at about 1/3 every 6 months and that this is a key element in avoiding a tank crash down the road. JMO...
 
Kewl, a new large tank build... And someone that has done his/her homework.

Sabreman, you are headed in the right direction. Going from fowlr to a full blown reef will take more equipment. You flow requirements will increase. My 500 gallon runs with a Hammerhead on CL. Also (4) Iwaki 70's on sea swirls and (1) Iwaki 100 for my 1 HP Chiller return. Which is directed straight down from the top through a bulkhead. In the middle back, to keep the barebottom clean. I find this works well at keeping detrius from building up under rock work. Just 5 months ago installed (4) 620 Tunze's on multicontroller. With the coral growing the flow is still a little low.

You will find your MRC 2 way under sized for your tank.. I just upgraded to a MRC CCR-824 with dual 8" chambers. And still find myself behind. Although I have some very large 2'x 2'+ colonies and large Gigas clams.

As far as BB DSB, I've had both.. And not to start a debate on the issue!!! I perfer BB much easier to keep clean. And once your tank matures, you will never notice the lack of sand. I've never had anyone commet on the missing sand in my system.. I have no sand anywhere in my system!

I think you will find (4) 400 watt on a 10" tank under lite for SPS. I run (6) 400 watt 20K radiums on PFO HQI's. Along with (4) 160 watt VHO atinics and (4) 96 watt PC's. You should consider at least (6) if not (8) on a 10'..

On to the chiller issue.. Can you install under your house, in the crawl space?? Also you might consider a backup chiller. I think it's a must!!! You will spend thousands of dollars on your stock and years of growing. Just to have your chiller shut down when your not home. And return to find your tank cooked.

And the million dollar question, which I'm sure you are aware of, MONEY... A large reef will eat it up, ask anyone.. Sure you will get low budget arguments.. But I feel in the long run it's a must.. My system runs around 500- 600 a month.... Keep us posted..

Good Luck,

Ricks
 
ricks...all good points....I will be upgrading a new calcium reactor within the first month the tank gets setup.....leaning towards a starboard insert in the bottom of the tank with a dusting of sand over it. Chiller issue resolved, as stated above...as for lighting...I am going to start with 5 lights...and the way that I am building my canopy with the light rack, adding additional lights/moving them will be easy....as for budget...I know what this will take...the only difference between this and my 600 FOWLR that I had is a chiller and the upgraded lighting...so I will only be a little higher......this is something we certainly considered..and decided it was worth it to us. I have a back up chiller on hand!!!!!
 
I had the same decision to make about BB vs DSB not to long ago. I also felt the same way you do about it. I didn’t want to go BB because of the look but at the same time wanted it because of maintenance etc etc. So I decided I was going to go with a SSB( just a dusting) and build my tank around that idea. To make a long story short, I ended up going with a BB and I don’t regret it at all. I’m actually starting to love the way it looks. The one thing I do regret is not having planed it into the design of my tank. I should have put more flow towards the bottom of the tank via my CL. If and when I do it over again I’m going to be aiming allot of my flow at the bottom of the tank. If your not sure about what you’re going to go with yet, I would design the tank with the thought and intensions of going BB. (just in case:D)

This is going to be an amaizing!! Tank. Keep us updated!
 
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Demolition has started......

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Ripped all drywall down in the garage to insulate and run electrical

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Another garage pic, the plywood is up temporarily to keep the cat and the a/c in the house....I need to replace the current header with a much larger one...

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Pic of the dining room where the full 10' foot will be viewable....

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pic from the kitchen where 9' will be viewable, the door comes out and that hallway pushes into the garage another 6'

I will have more pics this weekend!!!!
 
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