New Deodronephthya sp. study group?
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Jens Kallmeyer
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HI
Some pics from a Danny Dame from Holland
http://www.marineaquarium.nl/februari-2006english.php
Things are getting better all the time, the question is whether the owner of the tank is willing to invest all this effort.
Jens
Some pics from a Danny Dame from Holland
http://www.marineaquarium.nl/februari-2006english.php
Things are getting better all the time, the question is whether the owner of the tank is willing to invest all this effort.
Jens
reefnewbie54321
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I wish I could help, my tank comes in june 3rd and by the time the dendros are put in it will be about early september.
I will be sure to post all my results in this thread or maybe even the soon to be non-photo froum
It says on the sight its only up and running 2 months ... does it need an update or has it only been 2 months. Many people have success for the first 3-4 months ... its after that were things start to go down.
Stingray Tank Thread is pretty big, I'll tackle it this weekend
reefnewbie54321
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I was just thinkng about something, I havnt really researched it yet but I thought I would share while its fresh in my brain and see if anyone has some input.
Alot of people seem to think dendros eat bacteria ... in the sand bed, coral mucus, and in live pytho. I havnt been all that interested in dosing vodka or sugur becuase I dont use a skimmer but from what I understand that bacteria poulation increases like crazy.
DSB+Vodka = tons of bacteria
stir the bed 2x a day and you will have a bacteria buffet!
Things to think about:
-Oxygen will be greatly depleted ... proabbly need to add an 02 reactor of some sort.
-To much bacteria ... could this be a bad thing?
Alot of people seem to think dendros eat bacteria ... in the sand bed, coral mucus, and in live pytho. I havnt been all that interested in dosing vodka or sugur becuase I dont use a skimmer but from what I understand that bacteria poulation increases like crazy.
DSB+Vodka = tons of bacteria
stir the bed 2x a day and you will have a bacteria buffet!
Things to think about:
-Oxygen will be greatly depleted ... proabbly need to add an 02 reactor of some sort.
-To much bacteria ... could this be a bad thing?
dannyfromholland
New member
Hik I've made an update about the project its 4 months up an running
The link to recent foto's and dutch text are here:
http://www.marineaquarium.nl/Danny.php
And the english translation is here:
http://www.marineaquarium.nl/smf/index.php?topic=11.0
cheers
Danny Dame
The link to recent foto's and dutch text are here:
http://www.marineaquarium.nl/Danny.php
And the english translation is here:
http://www.marineaquarium.nl/smf/index.php?topic=11.0
cheers
Danny Dame
reefnewbie54321
In Memoriam
Well my tank wont be setup for around another 4 months so I will just have to wait and see what happens to your tank, hopefully you will have great succsess and reach the 6 month mark but if not atleast I can learn ffrom your mistakes lol
dannyfromholland
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Hopefully I'll also learn from my mistakes. My new tank (I'm moving) is also goiing to be set up around that time (sept/oct) and will be 750 gallons non photosyntetic only!
firefish2020
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Nope not true at all, it's a simple matter of supply and demand. If LFS stop purchasing a certain coral the wholesalers will stop ordering the coral. Im not trying to be negative only being logical. If you don't know how to keep this coral or are not versed in it's care or anyother corals care, simply leave it alone. To many LFS sell this as a coral that anyone can keep "as long as they feed it." Misleading sales pitches and disinformation are not what this species needs and have lead to the deaths of untold thousands of these creatures and until progress is made by experts in it's care the death toll will continue to rise until the Government steps in and puts an end to the collection of this species. Don't think it can happen? It can and likely will. It is far easier to blame irresponsible hobbyists for the problem that the reefs are facing today. The senseless killings of these creatures due to lack of serious animal husbandry technique by new reef hobbyists will not help matters IMO. That said I do believe a breakthrough can be found one day but it will take time and it will require serious research and data collection on this subject. I also believe this thread can be essential in that research but it should be stressed that these coral are not for just anybody and not for any reef system this might.
Jens Kallmeyer
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Exactly, but isn't this what the 'Advanced Topics" board is for? Discussing things that are somewhat outside the average reef?
To get this straight: NO, Dendros do not belong in the average reeftank, NO they do not survive on a single weekly feeding of artificial Plankton of some sort, YES, it is possible to keep them alive for extended periods of time (years), YES the amount of work still necessary to do so is outrageuos, YES, feeding these corals SUFFICIENTLY will most likely screw up your water parameters, YES they should be available, but only on special order for people who are crazy enough to invest a lot of time and money.
YES the same discussion was going on about 15 to 20 years ago, but the topic was Acropora not Dendros.
Jens
firefish2020
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Jens, thank you that about sums it up
reefnewbie54321
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Jens Kallmeyer- whats is the teperature of your tank? I was wondering if the cold temp. suggestion was fact
Jens Kallmeyer
New member
????Did I mention temperature anywhere, perhaps I am getting old but I can't remember saying anything about temp. Anyways, my tank has 77 F at the moment.
Jens
reefnewbie54321
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I meant what other poeple suggested about keeping the tank at 75 or lower earlier in the thread
reefnewbie54321
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looks like this thread lost its steam
Jens Kallmeyer
New member
HI Siapin
I have a few Scleros, in some ways they are easier to keep then Dendros because they have so much bigger polyps and can actively grab prey. Mine even take BBS. The one thing they don't like is light. They have to stand in the shade, otherwise they won't open, at least that is how I got mine to open. Flow is gentle but steady.
Jens
I have a few Scleros, in some ways they are easier to keep then Dendros because they have so much bigger polyps and can actively grab prey. Mine even take BBS. The one thing they don't like is light. They have to stand in the shade, otherwise they won't open, at least that is how I got mine to open. Flow is gentle but steady.
Jens
graveyardworm
Premium Member
As far as dendros are concerned I would hope that it would remain a slow forum, but with the many other nonphotosynthetic corals, as well as the fact that many more corals benefit from regular feeding it would be a much better place to share information than scattered through all the forums like it is now.
Also I'm not going to point any fingers, but there are other forums here which see very little activity yet they persist, and the reason is that the dedicated forum is a much better place to share with more focused attention on the animals in question.
Back to the topic at hand. An LFS I regularly visit has two nonphotosynthetic corals possibly dendros, an orange one which has bailed out and now has polyps spread throughout the tank which are most likely perishing. They also have a pink one which appears to be doing well, both in the same tank. They've had them for atleast a couple months. I'm considering trying the pink one becuase it appears to be atleast slightly hardier.
What I've observed seems to be a rule with these, the pink ones do seem to be hardier. They both have colored stalks and polyps not the white stailks with colored polyps. Anyone else with similar observations.
dannyfromholland
New member
I think your talking about scleronephthya. These are easier to keep as Jens allready said.
These are taken from my aquarium and are sclero's
Pictures are taken by Ron Hessing: www.marineaquarium.nl
Siapin
Member
Hey dannyfromholland...those are beautiful specimens.
Well, if you look earlier, I said that my buddy bought those scleros without looking into them. So he asked me to take a frag to try it out and experiment with and to keep it thriving in my aquarium, and that's my intent. I've kept up with this thread for a while now, mostly because I'm interested in these guys, not because I had one, but now that I have one, I'm kinda in a dilemma/experiment/joyous ride (hopefully).
I know generally what needs to be done for the husbandry of these species. I know I got to keep a constant flow, and constant flow of food. I was planning on first hanging the sclero on a ledge and keep it away from direct light. As far as food, I was planning on buying Marine Snow. I have Kent Phytoplankton...any other food suggestions? I can really use the help. After reading throughout successful aquariast feedings, I believe one way to successfully keep these is to maintain a variety of food, and lots of it. So if you guys can let me know of some foods I can give it, or some other links to feeding, that would all be helpful.
Thanks alot...RC is an amazing site.
Here's a couple of the 1.5" frag and the smaller guys around it:
Well, if you look earlier, I said that my buddy bought those scleros without looking into them. So he asked me to take a frag to try it out and experiment with and to keep it thriving in my aquarium, and that's my intent. I've kept up with this thread for a while now, mostly because I'm interested in these guys, not because I had one, but now that I have one, I'm kinda in a dilemma/experiment/joyous ride (hopefully).
I know generally what needs to be done for the husbandry of these species. I know I got to keep a constant flow, and constant flow of food. I was planning on first hanging the sclero on a ledge and keep it away from direct light. As far as food, I was planning on buying Marine Snow. I have Kent Phytoplankton...any other food suggestions? I can really use the help. After reading throughout successful aquariast feedings, I believe one way to successfully keep these is to maintain a variety of food, and lots of it. So if you guys can let me know of some foods I can give it, or some other links to feeding, that would all be helpful.
Thanks alot...RC is an amazing site.
Here's a couple of the 1.5" frag and the smaller guys around it:
