New Life Spectrum Ick Shield
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Dmorty, I ended up getting some live rocks from another reefers tank and used that. Not having ammonia issues anymore.
My purple tang was eating like a pig but today stopped. I looked closely and noticed he was pooping white stringy poop. Can I treat the tank with metronidazole? Has anyone used CP with metro before?
I was reading through the CP primer thread and couldn't find the answer to this.
It's been 10 days and there are no visible signs of ich on the purple tang. He was heavily covered in ich at the beginning of treatment.
My purple tang was eating like a pig but today stopped. I looked closely and noticed he was pooping white stringy poop. Can I treat the tank with metronidazole? Has anyone used CP with metro before?
I was reading through the CP primer thread and couldn't find the answer to this.
It's been 10 days and there are no visible signs of ich on the purple tang. He was heavily covered in ich at the beginning of treatment.
Ignore this post, finally got to the last page of the CP primer thread and saw that humblefish did use metro with CP without issues.
Breakthecycle2
New member
Forgive me If I missed it, but are people saying the powder form is OK to dose in the main tank?
jmm
New member
Not with corals, anemones, snails or shrimp (shrimp kind of depends on some other factors).
Fish only doesn't seem to hurt but since it doesn't always kill all stages of the life cycle of the parasites, it sometimes comes back after treatment.
Dmorty217
Saltwater Addict
This was provided to me from Humblefish on the half life of CP
Source: Molina DK (2011) Postmortem hydroxychloroquine concentrations in nontoxic cases. Am J Forensic Med Pathol
So, if I run with that and use the "worst case scenario"; it means a 40mg/gal dosage could be down to 20mg/gal in 32 days. Or it degrades 0.625mg/gal per day after the initial dosage. A 60mg/gal dosage could be down to 30mg/gal in 32 days; or it degrades 0.9375mg/gal per day after the initial.
Source: Molina DK (2011) Postmortem hydroxychloroquine concentrations in nontoxic cases. Am J Forensic Med Pathol
So, if I run with that and use the "worst case scenario"; it means a 40mg/gal dosage could be down to 20mg/gal in 32 days. Or it degrades 0.625mg/gal per day after the initial dosage. A 60mg/gal dosage could be down to 30mg/gal in 32 days; or it degrades 0.9375mg/gal per day after the initial.
LobsterOfJustice
Recovering Detritophobe
Anyone used this on a regal angelfish?
Can you have LR in the tank or does it interfere with the medication similar to copper?
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Can you have LR in the tank or does it interfere with the medication similar to copper?
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Dmorty217
Saltwater Addict
Yes I have used it on blue and yellow belly regals. Rock won't interfere with the meds but sand will
LobsterOfJustice
Recovering Detritophobe
Interesting, do you know why that is? Just wondering. I'm hoping to keep some rock in with the regal during treatment so he feels more secure and to also hopefully offer some biological filtration.
Tried to start TTM on this fish yesterday and he was immediately disoriented when I put him into the QT tank and within an hour he was laying on the bottom gasping... I freaked out and threw him into the refugium and he was fine within a few minutes (this is the system I removed him from so no risk of him infecting). I think the bare bones tank with only PVC to hide in completely freaked him out.
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ThRoewer
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What size is that regal?
I quarantined small ones (2.5" and 2.75") in bare bottom 10 gallon tanks with no issues. Both were eating like pigs and rather little pricks to the other (larger!) fish they were with. The 2.75 is now the terror of my 42 gallon tank where he chases a way larger Starki damsel, a fully grown neon dottyback and 2 marine bettas around. The only fish safe from him are the percula - but only when deep in their anemone.
IME the larger ones are the ones making problems during acclimatization.
I quarantined small ones (2.5" and 2.75") in bare bottom 10 gallon tanks with no issues. Both were eating like pigs and rather little pricks to the other (larger!) fish they were with. The 2.75 is now the terror of my 42 gallon tank where he chases a way larger Starki damsel, a fully grown neon dottyback and 2 marine bettas around. The only fish safe from him are the percula - but only when deep in their anemone.
IME the larger ones are the ones making problems during acclimatization.
Dmorty217
Saltwater Addict
I don't know the reasoning behind it but can confirm that rock doesn't absorb it. The only time I have had a CP failure aside from buying the ebay crap was when I treated a tank with sand. If and thats a BIG IF, you can get some one to talk to a New Life Spectrum they will confirm the sand absorbing the med and advise to dose a higher amount (can't remember what exactly I was told and I haven't been able to talk to them again since even after trying several times)
scchase
Premium Member
While I was very optimistic about this med, my recent experience has not been great. Near the end of June I recieved a tank full of fish that were in the process of being wiped out by velvet, I brought them home to a cycled Q tank and dosed per instructions from my newest bottle. After one week all fish still showed evidence of infection so I doubled the dose. After two weeks no improvement had been made. It did seem to reduce the amount of parasites available to make the fish sick as I only had one additonal loss during this period that did not appear to be related to the velvet but was unable to clear the infection. At the two week mark I removed the Ich Shield from the tank with Carbon over night and immeadiatly brought the tank up to full strength copper treatment the next morning as this strain of velvet had proven to be a quick killer before I brought the fish home. The copper cleared all signs of infection within one week.
Now for some ancedotal evidence, this bottle of Ich Shield never killed all the algae in the tank as my first bottle did, this combined with the lack of cure indicates to me that the CP in the bottle was of poor quality or nearly absent.
Now for some ancedotal evidence, this bottle of Ich Shield never killed all the algae in the tank as my first bottle did, this combined with the lack of cure indicates to me that the CP in the bottle was of poor quality or nearly absent.
Dmorty217
Saltwater Addict
What was in this tank?? Rock, sand ect? What was the dosage per mg/g? I would never dose CP with the scoops as the bottle says, it's not accurate at all.Copper isn't known for being great at treating ich, let alone velvet. Sounds like the CP you used was bad. I have seen CP cure velvet in 10 days before so there is no question it works. Carbon doesn't remove CP from the water very well contrary to what people believe, also the med isn't broken down by UV from lights on the tank like was previously thought
Dmorty217
Saltwater Addict
I agree and I have received bottle via Amazon that didn't have a tear off on the lid and there isn't a expiration date to make it easier to determine if it bad or not. I usually like to have at least 2 different bottles on hand in case this happens. The fact that it didn't kill algae means its bad for sure
ThRoewer
New member
The algae killing is the key as Amyloodinium is in part an algae. It is also an easy way to test the effectiveness of the CP you have: just fill a 5 or 10 gallon tank with old tank water (you would have dumped after a water change), let it sit for a while where it gets enough light for algae to grow and then dose the CP you wanna test. The CP is good when the algae die quickly. If they don't die it's bad.
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scchase
Premium Member
I think at this point I have just had bad luck one bad bottle and my first bottle I was trying to treat a disease that it didn't work on. Still don't know what that one was 2 years later, wiped out all but one fish out of more than 30 in less than a week, CP and copper did nothing, only thing that finally saved my one fish was daily baths in Formalin and a new tank each day, thinking now it was bacterial though metro didn't help either. Other guess was a particularly nasty strain of brook since most of the fishes skin fell off before they died.
