New S. Haddoni...

[Toddrtrex]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13966432#post13966432 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by miniwhinny
Beautiful nem $eaba$$. Can't comment on much as I'm still in the research and development stage of getting my first ( a RBTA ). Carpets are the host of choice for percs so I sure wish I could get one though. Yours looks great and I wish you luck.

Giganteas are a natural host for percs, but not a Haddoni. Though that isn't to say that they won't be hosted by a Haddoni.

 

[$eaba$$]

alright. well what do you "experienced" people think about the haddoni? Also, about thinking one can keep a carpet nem but being told they can't, i don't always buy into this. My friend has a 40 gallon, and he got a very nice gigantea. He has 194 watts of powercompact lighting on his 40 gallon, and every one said it was a horrible idea, and that it would never make it. So far, he has had it a few months, and it is thriving. It has doubled in size and is doing very very well. I guess you just never know until you try it... so ii dont think its impossible for me to keep my nem well.

oh one more thing. would it be any better if I added a 24 watt t5ho bulb to my setup? i could possible put one in my canopy... i mean just lighting wise. will it help with lighting for the nem? will it make any difference?

Thanks.

 

[Toddrtrex]

As for your friend... considering how long anemones can live, I wouldn't consider a few months success. IMO, after about a year you can start to say you are having success.

With you feeding more (( to make up for lack of light )), I really feel that you are going to run into water quality issues with a 20 gallon tank. Then can/will grow very fast and huge. While they can be sort of easy to keep (( for an anemone )) they are still a challenge.

I have found that the first couple of months can be difficult with Haddonis, and putting it in a less then ideal situation isn't going to help that.

 

[$eaba$$]

alright, but I'm just saying that so far his nem has thrived.

Anyways, I will feed less. I will maybe just feed 2 or 3 times a week or so, as not to hurt my water quality as much. What do you think? I will keep up on my water changes though, so I think that my water quality should be fine, no?

Also, what do you think about the extra light i mentioned?

thanks.

 

[RyDoggsReef]

of course you wouldnt consider it a success toddrtex. its me.
But Todd is right...

 

[Toddrtrex]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13966759#post13966759 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by RyDoggsReef
of course you wouldnt consider it a success toddrtex. its me.
But Todd is right...

:rolleye1: Get over it.

It wouldn't matter who it is, 2 months is not success for anyone with keeping an anemone.

 

[RyDoggsReef]

Also, elegance coral.. you def know your stuff and have a beautiful tank with an a couple impressive anemones. But... how the fk do you have over 2000 posts in less than a year and a half. You must spend all your time in here giving people advice and making you feel good about yourself even though it may not be correct. I mean 2000 posts!! in less than 2 years is sad. But dont worry, theres plenty of people on here like you... like my buddy Toddy. . anyways, his tank is fine. he does water changes regularly and keeps track of parameters daily. A year from now he can post pics and prove you wrong. so "not bashing, although you may not like what i have said !) iiIii

 

[RyDoggsReef]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13966776#post13966776 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Toddrtrex
:rolleye1: Get over it.

It wouldn't matter who it is, 2 months is not success for anyone with keeping an anemone.

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[elegance coral]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13966821#post13966821 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by RyDoggsReef
Also, elegance coral.. you def know your stuff and have a beautiful tank with an a couple impressive anemones. But... how the fk do you have over 2000 posts in less than a year and a half.

If you must know, I came to RC because I was in the middle of a research project. I racked up a large post count very fast discussing the research with others. Now that the research is over I don't post that often. I have posted 22 times in the past month. That's less than your monthly average.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13966821#post13966821 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by RyDoggsReef
You must spend all your time in here giving people advice and making you feel good about yourself even though it may not be correct.

What's not correct? There have been two people in this thread with 20+ years experience stating that the anemone needs a larger tank. Todd agrees and he has more experience with haddoni than I do. This is the largest site of its kind and yet, no one with any experience has come on stating that all will be fine.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13966821#post13966821 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by RyDoggsReef
I mean 2000 posts!! in less than 2 years is sad. But dont worry, theres plenty of people on here like you... like my buddy Toddy. . anyways, his tank is fine. he does water changes regularly and keeps track of parameters daily. A year from now he can post pics and prove you wrong. so "not bashing, although you may not like what i have said !) iiIii

I would be amazed if they could post a pic of the anemone in that tank 6 months from now.

 

[RyDoggsReef]

What's not correct? There have been two people in this thread with 20+ years experience stating that the anemone needs a larger tank. Todd agrees and he has more experience with haddoni than I do. This is the largest site of its kind and yet, no one with any experience has come on stating that all will be fine.

I have yet to find anyone on here with lots of "experience" that would say an anemone would be fine in a tank less than about 90 gal, about 4 koralia 3's and dual 250w MH's with T5's..exept maybe aptasia. Im not trying to bash or say anything like that but many people on here would have a problem having a pair of clowns and 1 green chromis in a 20 gal. IMO many people on here are too picky and stingy as far as what will be fine

 

[Toddrtrex]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13966843#post13966843 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by RyDoggsReef
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Why aren't you cleaver.

And to answer, no. But, I do wonder why you ask, are you projecting?

 

[tufacody]

Even the best advice is subject to exceptions Ry. But there is a reason nobody has come on here saying that all will be well with this haddoni in a 20 gallon.

Look, if you can do it, I suggest you post the method to your success rather than bashing the people that are trying to offer advice. That would be much more contructive and useful to the hobby.

 

[traveller7]

$eaba$$,

I have been in the anemone game for more then a few days and can't find fault with advice you have already been provided by the long term experienced RC anemone keepers. It is up to you, to take the advice, or leave it.

Best of luck either way.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13966843#post13966843 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by RyDoggsReef
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Bye.

 

[$eaba$$]

just wondering, what is the main reason you guys don't think it will do well; is it mainly because of the small water volume and how you think it will be unstable? The lighting should be fine though right, though it definitely is on the low side, right? What about water movement?

Thanks.

 

[roushracer]

It's a number of reasons.

- Lights are inadequate
- Tank is too small
- No skimmer

And that's just a few...

 

[$eaba$$]

just incase anyone wants to know water params, I just tested. This is 10 days since the last waterchange. I will be doing a water change tomorrow.

Amm:0
Nitrite:0
Nitrate:0
pH:8.4
Temp:76
Salinity:1.0255

 

[traveller7]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13973121#post13973121 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by $eaba$$
just wondering, what is the main reason you guys don't think it will do well; is it mainly because of the small water volume and how you think it will be unstable? The lighting should be fine though right, though it definitely is on the low side, right? What about water movement?

Thanks.

In my experience:

- the lighting should be fine as for a tank that size as long as the bulbs are changed every 6 months(rotate 1 per 60days or so). Most folks dont follow the plan adding stress to the specimen triggering bleaching, forcing increased feeding, etc.
- water params are going to be tough with haddoni in that small a space, they regurgitate quite a bit when annoyed and tend to catch fish, snails, hermits, etc., in tight quarters. Of course they regurgitate portions of the caught inhabitants fouling the tank.
- my haddoni have not been fan's of high water flow, just enough to blow off the slime and possibly lift the oral disk periodically.
- Most smaller haddoni's are either going to double in size quickly or slowly shrink into oblivion over the first 4 months. Neither is a good outcome with a tank your size.

It is possible keep haddoni in tight quarters with experience in identifying anemone issues early, but it is against the odds for a critter that has a poor record in captivity to begin with; hence why stack the deck further against it and yourself? A tank and regimen as you describe is much better suited to SPS, softies, LPS, or Bubble Tipped Anemones then S. haddoni.

It's late, I am tired, hopefully that rambling answer provides some useful info

 

[Toddrtrex]

I agree with everything that "traveller7" said. And to add about flow. I have found them to be very very sensitive to too much flow, and any slight change in the existing flow.

The only time that mine have moved is when I changed the flow, or even took a powerhead off for 24 hours while cleaning it. Heck as they grow they will change how they "feel" about it. My blue one was fine for 6+ months, but had grown, all of a sudden it started to move about the tank (( no changes had happened to the tank )). I ended up turning off a powerhead that had always been in the same spot, almost instantly it stopped moving. With a smaller tank, any changes in flow are going to be magnified.

 

[tcmfish]

Well I read this thread, and while not having an experience with haddoni's but I do have experience in the hobby and a little with nem's. I'll give you my a piece of my mind.

So you keep asking why people don't think it will work, well maybe if you listened to the advice they gave you early in the thread you wouldn't be asking the same questions over and over. Also I highly doubt you will be so on top of your water quality as time goes on. Sure the water is fine now, but will it be in the future when the nem is bigger? Instead of shutting down good advice why don't you take it and upgrade the lights? Maybe get a skimmer? Do something smart instead of trying to bash the advice.

Also maybe 5 years ago, when I was just getting into the reef aspect of the hobby, I had a 75 gallon with PC's on it. Bought a nice healthy H. mag from the LFS. Awesome specimen... brought it home it soon took to the top spot on the glass right under the lights, like many people have observed before. The thing did "great" for 6-7 months, then suddenly stopped eating and bit the dust. That's when I was running a canister filter and no skimmer and cheapo lights look where that got me another dead nem.

I've learned my lesson, and haven't attempted another nem yet, but I will now that I know how to better care for the animals. So if your not going to give it to a better home why not improve the home you have for it? Seems logical to me...

We aren't trying to figure out what type of environment this type of anemone needs. We already know that. Now its your job to replicate the environment it needs, based on the advice you were given (which it is good advice from people who have successfully kept this type of anemone) that you asked for.

 

[garygb]

Seabass, if you do decide you want to put the haddoni in a larger tank you could keep the 20 gallon that you now have that is fully cycled and use it as a sump. A 40 gallon would make a good home for your haddoni and you could use a reliable overflow box (I think there is one called lifereef or something). You could use your current PC lighting on the sump and have a nice large ball of chaeto for nitrate and phosphate control. If you chose to do this, you wouldn't have to worry about cycling a new tank, as the 20 gallon is already ready to go. Obviously you would have to be out the expense of another lighting system, preferably T-5 HO or MH and an overflow box, but you wouldn't be looking at an exorbitant outlay of cash. It's not an emergency that you get a larger tank, but in time this suggestion might prove useful. Best of luck to you and your haddoni.