o2manyfish 750g Tank, 1500g System "Built" Thread

Finished reading the complete thread, twice now actually. Great narrative and journey. I'd wager many a man or woman would have walked away at some of the turn of events. Courageous to say with it, almost monumental :)

Two small questions if you don't mind. How do you or did you do the slumped glass? I've been doing a bit of reading on it and I have a metric ton of wine bottles that I've been saving (not really a metric ton but about two hundred or so that I've been saving to maybe make a fountain/waterfall :) ) Looking at some of the work you did I'm thinking maybe I could make a couple large pieces like you have for that half wall divider to hang on the wall. Really nice job I just am not sure how you did it or if it can be done at home.

Also, did I see a tortoise? I could have sworn that I saw a part of one in some of the images on page 1 with the stand/tank and back yard. Then again I probably didn't have enough coffee yet this morning when I "thought" that is what I was seeing...

Anyway, really nice work. You have a artist touch in you.
 
Biecacka/Corey,

On the external surface there are patches of acrylic that have little cracks just below the surface. I've been told it's the acrylic drying out and it can't be fixed. Currently there are about 4 patches that are 2x2 to 3x3 and they keep getting bigger.

The tank builder who built this tank used a crap piece of acrylic for the front panel. He had to replaced my 360 under warranty and when he built the 400 he didn't do a great job.



Saf1 - There are many different types of damsels in the tank. The ones I think you are talking about with the Red tail are Fiji Blue Damsels and the tails are super bright orange. There are 3 or 4 of these damsels in the tank. They were sitting in tiny cubes at a local wholesale shop for almost 16 months. After watching them for over a year I offered to give them a good home and home they came. They are bright, they are pretty, they get lots of compliments. One is noticeably larger than two others and I think its egg bound. It seems to kind of have a nesting area. I don't know much about damsel spawning behavior but many of the damsels in the tanks have their own nooks, cave, holes they call home.

The back wall of the tank is full of life. There are thousands of polyps and hundreds and hundreds of stalks of xenia. When I built the tank I mounted flat slab rock onto the back wall of the tank. So when I break the tank down I will pop the rocks off the back wall. If I can remove the slab rocks and quickly mount them to the back of the new tank and keep the surfaces moist I will probably only lose 5-10% of the life on the back of the tank.

Question 2 - What happens when the light goes out.... The lights go from bright to dark over about 90 minutes. And the 120+ fish do pretty much vanish as the lights go down. Some fish like the wrasses can find a spot and create a little cocoon to sleep in. The tangs and angels all vanish into the rock work. Sometimes at night if I come down with the flashlight I will find the pipefish out and cruising about. Sometimes you can catch a glimpse of the Golden Angels and sometimes the Multibar is cruising at night. But most of the fish go away and if not sleep sit very very still in the same place for very long periods of time.


CHSUB - The Xenia is really flourishing. I know for many people it's a horrible weed issue that they hate. For me it's a sign of success. To grow something, anything so prolificly (sp?) is an accomplishment. And I think having all the back areas of the tank full of life really adds a lot of dimension to the tank. The rock work on the right side of the tank and the middle sits in the middle of the tank (from front to back) between that rock work and the back wall of the tank is a gap of 4 to 12". If you stand at the right end of the tank and look down the back of the tank - there is more coral, more life, and more diveristy than in most aquariums. There are large acro colonies, monti colonies, hammer colonies, duncan colonies, alveaporas and more growing in this back area that is totally hidden when you look at the tank from the front. Because of the depth and dimensions it's impossible to get a photo that shows all that is there. But it's a remarkable assortment of life with it's own group of fish that are never seen from the front... But back to your question about the xenia. The Xenia does every now and then encroach in my SPS areas. Every 2 weeks I remove in excess of 100 stalks of xenia. Sometimes I can peel it off the rock work and keep it in check. When it gets some place I don't want I rip the stalk off and then use a razor blade to scrape any remains. And when little patches show up close to the corals where using a razor isn't an option I have started using Kalkwasser Paste. I mix Kalk and water and use a plastic syringe for the Aptasia, and one day I tried dropping the paste on the problem xenia patches and it melts them away.

And all the Xenia I rip out I don't kill. My frag tank I have lost some control of. The Xenia is covering litteral square feet of the tank on the sides and bottoms. It's a fight to keep it off the frag racks. But everything I pull either is given away for free to any local reefer who wants some, or I trade it in at a local fish store for credit.



Saf1 - The slumped glass projects were done at a local glass shop. Full sheets of glass are laid ontop of a mold, then go into an oven and slow baked and then slow cooled. Some of the pieces we tempered after slumping depending on what I was using them for. I don't know about the metric ton of bottles. I never did anything with different pieces of glass. I have done a little bit of work with the dichroic glass and using a Kiln joining pieces of glass together but those were always little things. I don't know how it would work with big large items. I am not sure how much strength there is when the different pieces slump together.

And yes you did see some Tortoises. I rescued and raised some Sulcata tortoises. It started with rescuing two and then at one point I had 7 and then I was down to 2 for about 15 years. I raised them from 12 lbs to 175 and 160 lbs. They were destructive beasts and just demolished my flower beds, my sprinklers, my frag tank plumbing, my guest house water line over and over and over again. The breaking point was when they sheared a 1/2" gas line sticking out of the ground for my fire pit. Snapped a 1/2" galvanized pipe off!!! 24 hours the gas just pumped into the back yard. When we discovered it I gave up. I had tried everything to keep the tortoises corralled away from the house and guest house but they always out smarted me with their brute strength. While we were repairing the gas line (and a $800 gas usage bill) they caught the copper water line going into the guest house, ripped it out of the stucco wall (2' worth) and pulled about 8' of 3/4" copper line up into the air that had been buried 20" underground for 10+ years. --- They were just too much for me. So I found them a new home and have no regrets.

Dave B
 
The ones I think you are talking about with the Red tail are Fiji Blue Damsels and the tails are super bright orange. There are 3 or 4 of these damsels in the tank.

Thanks. With my new tank I'll be adding some for sure. I really like them. I have 3 Asure's now in my tank and they are really neat. The colors are so sharp that they almost look painted.

The back wall of the tank is full of life. There are thousands of polyps and hundreds and hundreds of stalks of xenia. When I built the tank I mounted flat slab rock onto the back wall of the tank. So when I break the tank down I will pop the rocks off the back wall. If I can remove the slab rocks and quickly mount them to the back of the new tank and keep the surfaces moist I will probably only lose 5-10% of the life on the back of the tank.

I think it adds a lot of depth to the tank. I also like Xenia. I've tried a few times picking up samples from my LFS. For whatever reason it never took off. I don't think it was the greatest quality looking back. Recently I spent probably more than I should have for a ORA frag of it. It is really doing well and starting to spread a bit.

Question 2 - What happens when the light goes out.... The lights go from bright to dark over about 90 minutes. And the 120+ fish do pretty much vanish as the lights go down.

Thanks again. I'm sure it was a odd question but I've never had a tank with so many fish. One of those things that made me go hmm. :)

And yes you did see some Tortoises.

Ok, I thought I saw one in there. Just wasn't sure so figured I'd ask. Didn't mean to pry, I just noticed. I have a bad habit I guess of really looking at stuff. In another thread I was looking at a tank someone posted. I noticed this piece of art on their wall. I'm like hey, I know that piece. I bet they picked it up at so and so gallery. Send a PM, and low and behold it was the same piece I've been looking at and they did pick it up at the same place. Crazy world. Those Tortoises are more destructive than what I would have though, wow.


Thanks for the time and answers. Especially with the glass/slump/kiln art and how it is done. Not a DIY project for sure but boy does it look nice. Have a great evening and great looking tank. It really is something to use as a reference.
 
saf1

I don't know where you are in California. But I give away my Xenia to anyone that wants to come pick it up. And not just a little stalk I can hook you up. If you are anywhere close by make a visit and I will send you home with lots of stuff for your tank. And it won't cost you anything but gas. If you aren't close enough to make the trip shoot me a PM. If we can figure out a way to ship that doesn't cost me anything I will gladly ship you some xenia.

Dave B
 
saf1

I don't know where you are in California. But I give away my Xenia to anyone that wants to come pick it up. And not just a little stalk I can hook you up. If you are anywhere close by make a visit and I will send you home with lots of stuff for your tank. And it won't cost you anything but gas. If you aren't close enough to make the trip shoot me a PM. If we can figure out a way to ship that doesn't cost me anything I will gladly ship you some xenia.

Dave B

I'm up North just outside Sacramento. I believe you are located further South around LA. I make it that way at least once or twice a year while visiting Disneyland but not much outside of that. Not that LA is really far and it is always nice to stretch out the car a bit on the open roads.
 
Don't get queasy

Don't get queasy

Been awhile without an update. Had a couple of work projects that sucked up all my time. I was in court for 5 weeks. The tank got algae wipes and nothing else. Other than something upsetting and knocking out a colony every 8-10 days for a month everything else did just fine.

I've been waiting a long time to replace my beautiful Goldflake angel that just vanished one day without a trace.

Finally some became available, but they were oh so tiny. I found one with a misbar dot on the top fin.

Unfortunately this week I have been dealing with a nasty kidney stone. After days on end of painkillers, Dave the party machine wanders outside with his cell phone to take a pic of the baby angel and next thing you know I am talking to myself while taking a video of the tanks.

It's shaky, it's blurry, but gives you a chance to see what's going on in the boxes full of water at my house.



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Wow! Great video! Thanks Dave for the in-depth description of the system, coral and fish. I especially like your outdoor natural-lit system. Please keep the videos coming.
 
One of the tanks I always enjoy seeing updates on. One can clearly see that you enjoy the hobby. The tanks outside seem like they really help with the overall system too. As you said it gives the new or smaller fish a place to mature while also allowing a place to store stuff that breaks off or gets trimmed. Actually, I don't think you trim or prune which makes your tank look all the more natural.

I really like the multi coral mix and fish selection. It really adds a lot of depth to the tank. Very well done. Thank you for the update.
 
Glad you guys enjoyed it. I've been keeping Goldflakes for over 15 years. I have tried several times with small juveniles (not this small) and have had no success. Large Juvies and adults have always done well and I have only lost them due to tank crash or jumping out.

This one I hope is something special and I wanted to document it. I didn't even realize I had chatted for so long (thank you prescription pain killers) till I went to send someone the video and it was 3gb. And I open the video and it's 20 mins long. I had no recollection :)

Dave B
 
Dave B. - In the video, you mention that the DT has about 125 fish. That's 125 in base 15, correct?


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Your tank is looking awesome Dave. A lot of growth since I was there last. At first I couldn't see the yellow Bali hammer in the center but realized I couldn't see it because your tank is simply so big and the hammer looks so small comparatively, lol.

I really wish I would've seen that outside frag tank last time. I completely forgot about it when I was there.

Hopefully we can meet up again whenever you aren't busy. Just shoot me a text and I can go over ;)
 
o2manyfish 400g Tank, 1100g System "Built" Thread

My mind is blown. How do you have a salt tank outdoors??? What about rain, debris? Pollutants? Birds and bird poop? Water evap? Wow. I'm sure it's in the thread but if you could share to me how it works I'd appreciate it


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Rickztahone -- Frag tank is doing really well. I spent some time this weekend, after shooting that video organizing the corals and fragging some that were getting big.

Whenever you want to come by and check out the tank just shoot me a text.


JBVDHP -Outdoor is great. I don't have to worry about spilling salt on the floors. Rain is no big deal - the fish are already wet. We don't get that much rain here in So Cal that given the amount of exposed surface area it's not that big a deal. Bird poop.... just ammonia never been an issue. I have a huge pet macaw and when he poops -- it's a big poop - he's crapped in the tanks lots and lots of times and never been a problem. Years ago we used to urinate in the tanks because we heard that the extra ammonia was a good thing. Besides that anything that falls in the tank is pretty much nature no big deal. I find leaves, branches, bugs all the time. When we have the fires out here and the ash falls from the sky into the tank the corals actually look better.

For heating its a 220v 5500 watt titanium immersion heater. For cooling I use 2 box fans over the out door tanks for evaporative cooling. For the last 2 years with 110 degree summer days I can run the leds and with 2 fans the system doesn't go over 81.5 On those days I will evaporate around 50gallons. I replace all that water with kalkwasser and that makes the corals really happy.



Friday I was lucky to get a couple of fish from a friend in Bali. One is a gorgeous mis-bar yellow belly regal angel. The other was a tiny Navarchus. I decided to put them in the outside tank to let them get settled in. I already have a yellow belly regal in the display tank. but the misbar is really cool and I might try to pair them up. When I had a fish only tank I had a Navarchus and to me these are one of the most beautiful fish in the world. I have never tried keeping one in my reef.

Since my little imperator angel from Bali Aquarium has done so well and is growing up to be gorgeous I decided to try a Navarchus outside as well. If it's not reef safe, it's only the frag tank and I can remove him easily. And maybe I will get lucky and it will only eat xenia.

On a not so happy note the tiny Goldflake I got last week is having an issue. Where the parasite was on it's head has now opened up into a sizeable sore. The little fish is out and about and swimming and picking and eating. But the head wound looks nasty. I believe the best way to cure a fish is keep it fat and healthy. And as bad as the hole looks, he is acting normal and actually has been hanging out with the 3 other angels in the tank.

So here is another video from this evening. Sun was already over the back of the house. The tank was in the shade and this is shot with only sunlight - no other light source.

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Dave B
 
Navarchus are normally reef safe as they tend to go for sponges and tunicates. I have always dreamed of having a mated pair of navarchus in a large reef tank, with a lone imperator for contrast.

Dave.M
 
You should name these videos "the adventures of Dave and his where's waldo reef" :)

Very fun vids. I will shoot you a text to go over again. I know you get super busy so it is probably better if you tell me which day is better for you.

Keep these updates coming, they are a lot of fun.
 
Rickztahone -- Frag tank is doing really well. I spent some time this weekend, after shooting that video organizing the corals and fragging some that were getting big.



Whenever you want to come by and check out the tank just shoot me a text.





JBVDHP -Outdoor is great. I don't have to worry about spilling salt on the floors. Rain is no big deal - the fish are already wet. We don't get that much rain here in So Cal that given the amount of exposed surface area it's not that big a deal. Bird poop.... just ammonia never been an issue. I have a huge pet macaw and when he poops -- it's a big poop - he's crapped in the tanks lots and lots of times and never been a problem. Years ago we used to urinate in the tanks because we heard that the extra ammonia was a good thing. Besides that anything that falls in the tank is pretty much nature no big deal. I find leaves, branches, bugs all the time. When we have the fires out here and the ash falls from the sky into the tank the corals actually look better.



For heating its a 220v 5500 watt titanium immersion heater. For cooling I use 2 box fans over the out door tanks for evaporative cooling. For the last 2 years with 110 degree summer days I can run the leds and with 2 fans the system doesn't go over 81.5 On those days I will evaporate around 50gallons. I replace all that water with kalkwasser and that makes the corals really happy.







Friday I was lucky to get a couple of fish from a friend in Bali. One is a gorgeous mis-bar yellow belly regal angel. The other was a tiny Navarchus. I decided to put them in the outside tank to let them get settled in. I already have a yellow belly regal in the display tank. but the misbar is really cool and I might try to pair them up. When I had a fish only tank I had a Navarchus and to me these are one of the most beautiful fish in the world. I have never tried keeping one in my reef.



Since my little imperator angel from Bali Aquarium has done so well and is growing up to be gorgeous I decided to try a Navarchus outside as well. If it's not reef safe, it's only the frag tank and I can remove him easily. And maybe I will get lucky and it will only eat xenia.



On a not so happy note the tiny Goldflake I got last week is having an issue. Where the parasite was on it's head has now opened up into a sizeable sore. The little fish is out and about and swimming and picking and eating. But the head wound looks nasty. I believe the best way to cure a fish is keep it fat and healthy. And as bad as the hole looks, he is acting normal and actually has been hanging out with the 3 other angels in the tank.



So here is another video from this evening. Sun was already over the back of the house. The tank was in the shade and this is shot with only sunlight - no other light source.



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Dave B



Dave B - GENIUS. GENIUS. GENIUS. I live in San Diego, so not too far from you. Damn, I may have to try this. Maybe we over think our systems too much and your frag tank is really thriving. Wow. Wow wow wow.


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I thoroughly enjoyed your last two videos. Your outdoor tanks are so cool! I wish I could do something like that but it would never work in Northern California. Do you ever have to shade them on the sunniest/hottest days?

Your display tank is looking incredible. it's exploded with growth since the last video I saw of it. Amazing stuff!
 
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