ORA Glo-Natural color enhancer food?
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TheVillageIdiot
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what are the ingredients? I suspect it will be fine, but if you want to make sure your clowns get the amount of caroteniod they need to color up nicely, make sure you include some type of macro algae in your blended food mix.
I'm not sure, but i suspect some Nori or other brand seaweed will do the same and perhaps selcon contains these as well?
In the wild, clowns eat the pods that graze on macroalgea, and thats their source of carotenoids...
anyway, hth,
Matt
I'm not sure, but i suspect some Nori or other brand seaweed will do the same and perhaps selcon contains these as well?
In the wild, clowns eat the pods that graze on macroalgea, and thats their source of carotenoids...
anyway, hth,
Matt
I don't like it too well. I got it for free with my clown from petco. The chunks are WAY too big for her little mouth for the most part >.< I have to dig through for the small pieces so she can eat them. I usually feed frozen.
ingredients
I don't think they're great. . .) fish protein concentrate, wheat flour, krill meal, soy protein isolate, corn flour, brewers dry yeast, cane molasses, squid meal, dicalcium phosphate, spirulina, paprika, fish oil, astaxanthin, manganese proteinate, zinc proteinate(what is a proteinate?) copper proteinate(copper???????) calcium iodate, iron proteinate, cobalt proteinate, calcium carbonate, sodium selenite, vitamin a acetate, vitamin d3 supplement, di-alpha tocopheryl acetate(vitamin e supplement) bisulfite complex(source of vitamin k activity) folic acid, thiamine mononitrate, pyroxine hydrochloride, biotin, l-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate(source of vitamin c) betaine, choline chloride, ethoxyquin
*cracks knuckles*
Lessee: My usual "dirt source" on low quality ingredients doesn't even HAVE [fish] protein listed >_> Needless to say it is probably way low quality given the rest of the food there.
For fish MEAL however:
AAFCO: The clean, rendered, dried ground tissue of undecomposed whole fish or fish cuttings, either or both, with or without the extraction of part of the oil.
Like with all other animal sources, if a type isn't specified, you never know what type or quality of fish is used.
According to US Coast Guard regulations, all fish meal not destined for human consumption must be conserved with Ethoxyquin (unless the manufacturer has a special permit). This preservative is banned from use in foods for human consumption except for the use of very small quantities as a color preservative for spices. So unless the manufacturer either presents a permit or states "human grade" fish or fish meal is used, you can be pretty sure Ethoxyquin is present in the food even if it is not listed.
Just like ANY OTHER meal that is present in food, basically the crap off the slaughterhouse floor that doesn't have enough nutritional value to be used as anything else. So they just toss it in a blender and sell it for profit to pet food companies. I'm assuming animal protein is sorta similar. Just inexpensive stuff that still has protein attached. Plus it's concentrated, which is never better.
Wheat flour(closest I could find was wheat middlings)
AAFCO: Coarse and fine particles of wheat bran and fine particles of wheat shorts, wheat germ, wheat flour and offal from the "tail of the mill".
An inexpensive byproduct of human food processing, commonly referred to as 'floor sweepings'. An inexpensive filler with no real nutritional value.
Krill MEAL(see above)
For the isolates. . . This is a dog food site, and I can't even FIND any sort of "isolate" on the site. >_> Kinda like the fish protein though, given other low quality ingredients I'm assuming it isn't great stuff.
Corn flour: Couldn't find what it was exactly, BUT I know from another fish forum that corn is nearly indigestible to fish, and a few people on it(cichlid forum) had mentioned that it gave their fish problems with constipation.
Brewers yeast: the only similar thing I've found is the rice. Which is not good since it is just waste from processed rice, thus a lot cheaper.
cane molasses:
AAFCO: A by-product of the manufacture of sucrose from sugar cane. It must contain not less than 43% total sugars expressed as invert.
Sugar or sweetener is an absolutely unnecessary ingredient in pet foods, added to make the product more attractive. Continuous intake can promote hypoglycemia, obesity, nervousness, cataracts, tooth decay, arthritis and allergies. Pets also get addicted to foods that contain sugars, so it can be a tough piece of work to make them eat something healthier.
a lot of the other stuff I couldn't find on that site. . .
Menadione Sodium Bisulfate
Vitamin K3, synthetic vitamin K.
Feed grade. Also listed as Menadione Dimethyl-Pyrimidinol Bisulfate, Menadione Dimethyl-Pyrimidinol Bisulfite, Menadione Sodium Bisulfate Complex, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite and Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex.
Unnecessary ingredient in dog food. This synthetic version of vitamin K has not been specifically approved for long term use, such as in pet food. It has been linked to many serious health issues. More Details say that it causes a crap-load of bad stuff in animals.
Ethoxyquin
6-ethoxy-1,2-dihydro-2,2,4-trimethylquinoline. Antioxidant; also a post-harvest dip to prevent scald on apples and pears.
Originally developed by Monsanto as a stabilizer for rubber, Ethoxyquin has also been used as a pesticide for fruit and a color preservative for spices, and later for animal feed. The original FDA permit for use as stabilizer in animal feed limited use to two years and did not include pet food, but it falls under the same legal category. It has never been proven to be safe for the lifespan of a companion animal.It has been linked to thyroid, kidney, reproductive and immune related illnesses as well as cancer, but so far no conclusive, reliable research results either for the safety of this product or against it have not been obtained. Monsanto conducted research years ago, but results were so inconclusive due to unprofessional conduct and documentation that the FDA demanded another study. There are currently several studies underway to determine whether Ethoxyquin is safe or not, and until those studies are completed, pet food suppliers may continue to use Ethoxyquin. This is how things stand after about 6 years, and no new details have emerged so far. unavoidable in fish food unless frozen unfortunately. also IS NOT LEGAL in human food consumption.
Also, copper??????? I thought that was god-awful in reef tanks. Or is it just that it's the proteinate or something that makes it safe?
http://www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php?page=badingredients
This is an AWESOME site to check the good vs. bad stuff in your pet's food. Kinda disgusting to realize what goes into "cheap foods" that are supposed to be good stuff.
ingredients
I don't think they're great. . .) fish protein concentrate, wheat flour, krill meal, soy protein isolate, corn flour, brewers dry yeast, cane molasses, squid meal, dicalcium phosphate, spirulina, paprika, fish oil, astaxanthin, manganese proteinate, zinc proteinate(what is a proteinate?) copper proteinate(copper???????) calcium iodate, iron proteinate, cobalt proteinate, calcium carbonate, sodium selenite, vitamin a acetate, vitamin d3 supplement, di-alpha tocopheryl acetate(vitamin e supplement) bisulfite complex(source of vitamin k activity) folic acid, thiamine mononitrate, pyroxine hydrochloride, biotin, l-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate(source of vitamin c) betaine, choline chloride, ethoxyquin*cracks knuckles*
Lessee: My usual "dirt source" on low quality ingredients doesn't even HAVE [fish] protein listed >_> Needless to say it is probably way low quality given the rest of the food there.
For fish MEAL however:
AAFCO: The clean, rendered, dried ground tissue of undecomposed whole fish or fish cuttings, either or both, with or without the extraction of part of the oil.
Like with all other animal sources, if a type isn't specified, you never know what type or quality of fish is used.
According to US Coast Guard regulations, all fish meal not destined for human consumption must be conserved with Ethoxyquin (unless the manufacturer has a special permit). This preservative is banned from use in foods for human consumption except for the use of very small quantities as a color preservative for spices. So unless the manufacturer either presents a permit or states "human grade" fish or fish meal is used, you can be pretty sure Ethoxyquin is present in the food even if it is not listed.
Just like ANY OTHER meal that is present in food, basically the crap off the slaughterhouse floor that doesn't have enough nutritional value to be used as anything else. So they just toss it in a blender and sell it for profit to pet food companies. I'm assuming animal protein is sorta similar. Just inexpensive stuff that still has protein attached. Plus it's concentrated, which is never better.
Wheat flour(closest I could find was wheat middlings)
AAFCO: Coarse and fine particles of wheat bran and fine particles of wheat shorts, wheat germ, wheat flour and offal from the "tail of the mill".
An inexpensive byproduct of human food processing, commonly referred to as 'floor sweepings'. An inexpensive filler with no real nutritional value.
Krill MEAL(see above)
For the isolates. . . This is a dog food site, and I can't even FIND any sort of "isolate" on the site. >_> Kinda like the fish protein though, given other low quality ingredients I'm assuming it isn't great stuff.
Corn flour: Couldn't find what it was exactly, BUT I know from another fish forum that corn is nearly indigestible to fish, and a few people on it(cichlid forum) had mentioned that it gave their fish problems with constipation.
Brewers yeast: the only similar thing I've found is the rice. Which is not good since it is just waste from processed rice, thus a lot cheaper.
cane molasses:
AAFCO: A by-product of the manufacture of sucrose from sugar cane. It must contain not less than 43% total sugars expressed as invert.
Sugar or sweetener is an absolutely unnecessary ingredient in pet foods, added to make the product more attractive. Continuous intake can promote hypoglycemia, obesity, nervousness, cataracts, tooth decay, arthritis and allergies. Pets also get addicted to foods that contain sugars, so it can be a tough piece of work to make them eat something healthier.
a lot of the other stuff I couldn't find on that site. . .
Menadione Sodium Bisulfate
Vitamin K3, synthetic vitamin K.
Feed grade. Also listed as Menadione Dimethyl-Pyrimidinol Bisulfate, Menadione Dimethyl-Pyrimidinol Bisulfite, Menadione Sodium Bisulfate Complex, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite and Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex.
Unnecessary ingredient in dog food. This synthetic version of vitamin K has not been specifically approved for long term use, such as in pet food. It has been linked to many serious health issues. More Details say that it causes a crap-load of bad stuff in animals.
Ethoxyquin
6-ethoxy-1,2-dihydro-2,2,4-trimethylquinoline. Antioxidant; also a post-harvest dip to prevent scald on apples and pears.
Originally developed by Monsanto as a stabilizer for rubber, Ethoxyquin has also been used as a pesticide for fruit and a color preservative for spices, and later for animal feed. The original FDA permit for use as stabilizer in animal feed limited use to two years and did not include pet food, but it falls under the same legal category. It has never been proven to be safe for the lifespan of a companion animal.It has been linked to thyroid, kidney, reproductive and immune related illnesses as well as cancer, but so far no conclusive, reliable research results either for the safety of this product or against it have not been obtained. Monsanto conducted research years ago, but results were so inconclusive due to unprofessional conduct and documentation that the FDA demanded another study. There are currently several studies underway to determine whether Ethoxyquin is safe or not, and until those studies are completed, pet food suppliers may continue to use Ethoxyquin. This is how things stand after about 6 years, and no new details have emerged so far. unavoidable in fish food unless frozen unfortunately. also IS NOT LEGAL in human food consumption.
Also, copper??????? I thought that was god-awful in reef tanks. Or is it just that it's the proteinate or something that makes it safe?
http://www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php?page=badingredients
This is an AWESOME site to check the good vs. bad stuff in your pet's food. Kinda disgusting to realize what goes into "cheap foods" that are supposed to be good stuff.
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reefdood
New member
Wow, thanks for the research. Looks like it's just tons of useless and possibly bad ingredents. I would have thought ORA would be a good source for clown food. Guess I won't be using it then.
Yeah, I got my two clowns fom Petco, hence the free food. A nice regular ocellaris and a smaller misbar for $14.99 each.
I didn't even want the free food until I saw it was from ORA, guess my gut instincts were right. :lol:
Yeah, I got my two clowns fom Petco, hence the free food. A nice regular ocellaris and a smaller misbar for $14.99 each.
I didn't even want the free food until I saw it was from ORA, guess my gut instincts were right. :lol:
phender
Active member
I believe ORA bought the rights to this food. If it is what I think it is, it used to be called Vibra-Grow and was one of the best foods available for getting CB clowns to color up like wild caught ones. It usually took a couple tries to get the fish used to it.
It was originally produced by Harbor Branch Institute.
I don't see anything in the list of ingredients that is any different than any other dry fish food.
The astaxanthin is a natural pigment that provides most of the color boost.
It was originally produced by Harbor Branch Institute.
I don't see anything in the list of ingredients that is any different than any other dry fish food.
The astaxanthin is a natural pigment that provides most of the color boost.
TheVillageIdiot
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9393261#post9393261 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by reefdood
Wow, thanks for the research. Looks like it's just tons of useless and possibly bad ingredents. I would have thought ORA would be a good source for clown food. Guess I won't be using it then.
Yeah, I got my two clowns fom Petco, hence the free food. A nice regular ocellaris and a smaller misbar for $14.99 each.
Seriously, just make your own stuff!
I'm sure the ORA food you have will be fine, but it's easy and relatively cheap to make your own food.Get some raw fish and shrimp from the supermarket. Ideally, farm raised. I like a 2-1 ratio of fish flesh to invert, I add a vitamn suppliment like MarineZoe or Selcon. Add some spirulina and/or Nori as well as Cyclopeez, and you've got pretty much everything your fish could want...
Add some minsed garlic to the mix and blend it up. Freeze it and when you are ready to feed, thaw it in RO/DI water, squeeze the juice out after it's thawed and serve. You're fish will love it. hth,
Matt
cowboyswife
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My clowns dont like it at all.
Gary Majchrzak
Team RC
I believe you're right, Phil- it used to be marketed as VibraGro (Saltwater Staple) and Randy Holmes Farley mentions this particular food in his magnesium article in the RC chemistry forum.
This is one of the best pellet foods I've ever used, although it sometimes requires a fish to 'warm up' to accepting it. Small size pellets are best. It will definitely enhance the color of your fishes and it works great in automatic fish feeders. I was concerned this product was being discontinued, but I was happy to find out ORA has continued to offer it.
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Gary Majchrzak
Team RC
Isn't astaxanthin the main color enhancer found in Cyclopeeze? Does Rod use it in his food as well?
reefdood- how'd your clowns look when you purchased them? (The reason I ask is because they were most likely raised on ORA glow pellets.)
This food can be fed to the whole aquarium. Crush up a pinch of it to powder, submerge and disperse. I've found that certain Anthias will eat ORA glow pellets, making an autofeeder a viable way of providing them with the multiple daily feedings they require. I've even had a Copperband Butterflyfish take these pellets.
This is one of the good products out there, folks.
reefdood- how'd your clowns look when you purchased them? (The reason I ask is because they were most likely raised on ORA glow pellets.)
This food can be fed to the whole aquarium. Crush up a pinch of it to powder, submerge and disperse. I've found that certain Anthias will eat ORA glow pellets, making an autofeeder a viable way of providing them with the multiple daily feedings they require. I've even had a Copperband Butterflyfish take these pellets.
This is one of the good products out there, folks.
TheVillageIdiot
New member
Astaxanthin is a carotenoid and is commonly found in krill. I have seen the HUFA's touted as the reason to get cyclopeeze. They are supposed to be heavy in the EPA and DHA omega 3s that our clowns love, but given their color I wouldn't be at all suprise if these pods have carotenoids in them. It is carotenoids that give clown fish their color... and carrots too.
Rookie07
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Does anyone still use ORAGLO? Is it even on the market? I only found one place that still sells it online.
I also Feed ROD'SFOOD, I prefer the simplicity of only feeding once a day, and still being able to feed the whole tank.
So you can see what I'm working with (Picture is 1 year old, but you get the idea):
I also Feed ROD'SFOOD, I prefer the simplicity of only feeding once a day, and still being able to feed the whole tank.
So you can see what I'm working with (Picture is 1 year old, but you get the idea):
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