Pacific Sun Kore 5th dosing Fan Club

Hi Griff
Nice to see you again - we can expect your reply every time when this thread is on top ;-)
Some facts - not blames.
1. iOS DON'T support RFCOMM - serial port communication. To be more precise - it support, but request from companies buying their own chips which will encode this protocol and allow to use serial communication with any SPP devices.
2. It's a FACT that all new laptops have energy saving bluetooth modules which have very small output power - which can cause several issues with connections. There is several posts from Customers(also here) which confirmed that changing BT to external modules - it fixed their connection issues on 100%.
3. Before you will start talking abou tany faulty - please focus on fact that something can be simply sourced by:
- choosed not proper COM port in app
- wrong drivers used by computer
- other important facts which can cause communication
But we are not leaving our Customers without any support - almost all issues(with communcation) reported by Customers to our service were SOLVED without any technical repairs/fixes our hardware.
4. For your knowledge - BT protocols are newer that WiFi ;-) and they are still used by several proffesiona devices and manufacturers(in aquatic industry - by Giesmann for example)
All communication layers have their own pros and cons - bluetooth is much easier to setup and use than any other. I can point you several threads where other devices users make complains about Wifi/USB connections. This make them faulty? Not. Our Kore 5th from the beginning was designed as BT controlled device with dedicated apps for Windows/Mac. Some other manufacturers use Wifi layer(but you still need to have Windows based computer to do firmware upgrade etc).
5. I would like to not discuss with you about "mythical" devices. I understand that you would like prefer to get not checked(and not 100% working device like Cube bridge) earlier - than later, but after full tests/properly checked. It's not so easy to do all this things - if it would be, many other manufacturers would like to do the same(like native apps for Mac OS X) which are still not avalaible.
I dont know anything about your source of inforations about that "mythical device" but I worry that your informations are "quite wrong".
Finally - we are looking at our model and we never said that its "bugs free". There is no any "bugs free" devices on market. Our IT team is working hard and release updates after all bugs reported to our service and confirmed by our programmers.
But you need to look for that from technical point of view - if something is working for 95% of Customers and not working for rest 5% - the issue is almost in 99.9% sourced by remote system(Customer computer settings/hardware) not by designer mistake.
It's simply rule which is proven in many different industries.
But - without any doubt - and as I informed previously, we never left Customers without support and we help them in their computer settings/configuration.
"No need to reply or discuss"
Sure, so after my reply we can finish it. If you would like to discuss about that in the future please be in touch with me directly. It will be my pleasure to reply all your mails directly.
Thank you.


@bimborocks
Please contact with our service@pacific-sun.eu directly - if it will be needed they will do remote sesion with your compter and halp you setting up your doser. Don't worry ;-)

Regards
Przemek

*sigh*

You never can stop yourself from having a little dig on a personal level - it's quite endearing from a customer service perspective. No need for remote sessions with my compter - I had it working just fine, albeit Mac and PC software are (were?) not equally featured and so I still needed to run Windows on my Mac. It's a great solution.

And yes, I respond when yet another person has issues, because I like the product - it's just (still) not quite there in my opinion and that's a shame.

Your attitude is clear when you say that I want a product released that doesn't work. Is that really what I said or meant? Seriously? It's a very cheap debating trick - to offer an answer to a question that wasn't asked or argue against a position that was never taken. A career in politics beckons my friend!

Perhaps you shouldn't have announced something is coming soon and year(s) later it is still coming soon. That's probably someone else's fault as well, but I would guess that you simply do not have the capital or resources to develop it rather than it being so technically challenging that it takes so long to not do it, but that is just conjecture. Probably the same reason you didn't 'want' to pay for Apex integration. Anyway, what would I know about product development and marketing, right?

I must say that if you KNOW that nearly all laptops don't have sufficiently powerful bluetooth radios to reliably work with your product, as you have stated many times over a long period, then it is incumbent on you to include the equipment needed to connect OR tell people when buying the product that they are likely to need this and offer it to them OR change your approach - adapt or die. More fool me for thinking a 2,500 GBP Macbook Pro would be capable of connecting reliably from a couple of metres away. BT is, after all, intended for fast data transfer over distance, right? Oh, wait...

Anyway, I'm glad it's working just fine for 95% of customers. That's an impressive statistic, although it's never 92% or 96%... wait, you didn't just grab that figure out of the air did you? That was a rhetorical question, as we all know that 97% of people who make up statistics immediately lose credibility.

Listen, you have your last extensive words on the subject. You could have simply said 'thanks for that - we are aware of your view and appreciate your custom and your continued interest in our products' and that would have been the end of it, but you never can quite resist trying to 'win'. That shouldn't be your goal when representing a business, albeit not as a sponsor here any more. If I was your employer I would have pulled you from this task - if it is your business then delegate. I am not the only person to have had issues with your approach.

The fact remains that offering different versions of local software, not having devices network-enabled and relying on apparently under-powered BT connections is really rather old-school and doesn't provide a particularly slick or elegant solution to what is otherwise a nice product, but do stick with it.

I'm out. :beer:
 
Przmek,

I have to agree with this comment...

"I must say that if you KNOW that nearly all laptops don't have sufficiently powerful bluetooth radios to reliably work with your product, as you have stated many times over a long period, then it is incumbent on you to include the equipment needed to connect"


The doser is a very expensive piece of equipment... I also had my share of issues. It really is a nice piece of equipment however from my experience there still are few shortcomings that need to be worked out. Please continue with your efforts and all should be fine. You guys have a great product.
 
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Does anyone else get the message "transferring data... Please wait" that comes up on the doser when trying to program it and that message never goes away until you do a soft restart on the device and lose all changed you just made?

Can anyone with a MacBook send a link to the Bluetooth adapter they bought and are happy with?

I bought this unit used from someone that ran it on Windows and the instructions are written mainly for PC users. I downloaded mac program, paired doser to laptop and started programming but can barely do anything before that message comes up and won't go away. I've emailed the support email twice and no answer yet. Need help!
 
To dear PacSun,

Honestly, I was very excited when Kore 5th released to the market, but I immediately stop evaluation after realized it depend on bluetooth. When both submitter and receiver devices (e.g. iPhone and iWatch) owned by same company maybe not, otherwise Bluetooth require tremendous IOT test before product release; and after released, it still require continue IOT and filed support, which I think PacSun aware that now. I don't know who in charge Kore 5th system design and choose bluetooth for wireless connection, but...

Reason I asked again about internet access is just to double check after at least 6 months I did not follow Kore 5th update. To me, internet access is the most important feature for "smart aquarium", so I can remotely adjust KH doing volume when my KH reading increase or decrease, note Apex DoS and GHL can do so. Saying that, you may need to know a KH monitoring device (similar to Mindstream) is almost ready to the market. I have the lab 3 version, it is rock solid device, I never need to manually test KH anymore. And Yes, it also has internet access and app on iOS and Android. So, at this moment, I am looking for a dosing system have internet access, which allow complete free up myself for a 30+ day vocation from my fish tank ;-)

On the other side, I heard many good words about PacSun tech support, I sincerely hope Kore 5th can provide a release date of internet access feature. IMHO... It is way more important than iOS, Mac OS version app (note that I only use iSO and MacOS, not Windows)


cheers,
 
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I recently had an issue where my pumps were sticking on and I was having a lot of problems connecting with the doser. I was feeling frustration with the service as nothing fixed my problems. I admit that I lost my cool with the guys at Pacific Sun, even had some words with Przemek via PM, which we resolved by the way. I agreed to continue working with the technical service people and we found a solution I believe.

Faulty Power Supply!

Tomasz had me switch out a supply that I had laying around. It connected to the doser, doesn't lose contact, pumps work in any mode or configuration, and have been performing flawlessly. The power supply needs to be 12v, 1A, and a minimum of 12 watts according to Tomasz. Now I'm not saying this will fix everyone's issue, but it's worth a try. A new supply cost me $5 on Amazon.

Thanks Przemek, Tomasz, and Adam!

I just wanted pass this on and hopefully it will help others.
 
*sigh*

You never can stop yourself from having a little dig on a personal level - it's quite endearing from a customer service perspective. No need for remote sessions with my compter - I had it working just fine, albeit Mac and PC software are (were?) not equally featured and so I still needed to run Windows on my Mac. It's a great solution.

And yes, I respond when yet another person has issues, because I like the product - it's just (still) not quite there in my opinion and that's a shame.

Your attitude is clear when you say that I want a product released that doesn't work. Is that really what I said or meant? Seriously? It's a very cheap debating trick - to offer an answer to a question that wasn't asked or argue against a position that was never taken. A career in politics beckons my friend!

Perhaps you shouldn't have announced something is coming soon and year(s) later it is still coming soon. That's probably someone else's fault as well, but I would guess that you simply do not have the capital or resources to develop it rather than it being so technically challenging that it takes so long to not do it, but that is just conjecture. Probably the same reason you didn't 'want' to pay for Apex integration. Anyway, what would I know about product development and marketing, right?

I must say that if you KNOW that nearly all laptops don't have sufficiently powerful bluetooth radios to reliably work with your product, as you have stated many times over a long period, then it is incumbent on you to include the equipment needed to connect OR tell people when buying the product that they are likely to need this and offer it to them OR change your approach - adapt or die. More fool me for thinking a 2,500 GBP Macbook Pro would be capable of connecting reliably from a couple of metres away. BT is, after all, intended for fast data transfer over distance, right? Oh, wait...

Anyway, I'm glad it's working just fine for 95% of customers. That's an impressive statistic, although it's never 92% or 96%... wait, you didn't just grab that figure out of the air did you? That was a rhetorical question, as we all know that 97% of people who make up statistics immediately lose credibility.

Listen, you have your last extensive words on the subject. You could have simply said 'thanks for that - we are aware of your view and appreciate your custom and your continued interest in our products' and that would have been the end of it, but you never can quite resist trying to 'win'. That shouldn't be your goal when representing a business, albeit not as a sponsor here any more. If I was your employer I would have pulled you from this task - if it is your business then delegate. I am not the only person to have had issues with your approach.

The fact remains that offering different versions of local software, not having devices network-enabled and relying on apparently under-powered BT connections is really rather old-school and doesn't provide a particularly slick or elegant solution to what is otherwise a nice product, but do stick with it.

I'm out. :beer:

Griff,
Thank you for your detailed reply, please allow me focus only on technical aspects of your response.
1. There is no any important differences between Mac OS X and Windows based app for Kore 5th. On both platforms Customers can set advanced programming, control stirrers etc. You don't need to run Windows on Mac since in last year we released special tools for upgrading firmware in our devices using any of following platforms: Windows, Mac OS X, Android.
2. Of course I know that you don't want to get not fully working product(Cube). During product development and closed Beta tests(by almost 20 EU Customers) we discovered some technical troubles (which affected two-ways communication between BT<>BT<>WIFI. Thats why we decided to postpone official release, redesign device and do a lot of work(still doing) to be sure how it will work - a specially that this Cube have to be compatible with all versions of our computers released since 2009 year.
I can agree with you that was fault that information about that was announced publicly too fast - we took this lesson and actually we not inform about any time frame on any our projects.
3. Apex - as I informed previously, I would like to not discuss about Pacific Sun internal policy. Simply Apex and PS haven't found and agreement regarding doing interface for our Kore 5th and control it by their computer. Who know, maybe key was placed in fact that they planned release their own dosing(DOS) system?
4. Laptops and their BT.
I need to say few words on the beginning.
We are selling BT enabled devices since 2009 year - as I remember we were first company in aquatic industry which offered wireless communication for our products. Since this time we sold almost 14.000 products(T5, LED, hybrids, dosers). They are using the same wireless module - and we are using the same our own communication protocols. It mean that you are able to connect with our lamp using Kore5th app(in emergency mode) and simply do soft reset - or change internal time.
What it mean and why I'm explaining that?
I'm doing that because I want to show that we gained really huge experience in last 6 years using our own hardware and working on different platforms(Windows, Mac, Android).
We know almost anything about all typical "issues" - signal strenght, CRC errors, etc.
Please take a look that we are using THE SAME BT modules in our lamps(which are sold in much more qty than dosers) and I dont remember so many(if any) issues reported by lamp users controlled from Mac platform(for example).
The same with Windows app for T5 lamps for example - actually I dont see any tickets in our internal system regarding it. But we have reports sent by Customers regarding the same for Kore 5th dosers. Where is the difference? Usually the difference is in fact that doser in putted into cabinet and it "block" outgoing/incoming singals from computer(we included external antena in dosers but it's not solving that issue in 100% if BT module is weak...
So - from technical point of view we can say - that communication protocols are proven because they work for T5 lamps, LED lamps etc but they are not working for some devices which operate with weak bluetooth signal.

Why BT modules are not included? Answer is very easy.
Few years ago they were included. All products had prices increased for about 10,00 euro and Customers(without difference that they needed or not) had to pay for that.
But...
We had MANY mails from Customers which bought our devices(a specially - more than one - like few lamps) WHY we want to charge them for this not needed by them modules? If you are buying few lamps and two dosers for example - it can be 40,50 euro which you can spent on your livestock but not on needed BT modules, right?
Several of that Customers asked us for removing it from their packages and offer prices not including this modules. We did it - prices of all products were reduced for BT module price and since this time Customers dont have to pay for something which dont need. If they will need BT module - we can sell it them directly or simply say which one(from avalaible in their country/local shop)will be ok.
I understand it, its clear - but its hard for us everytime to adjust pricing and doing "two" versions of the same products - with or without BT module.
Actually we offer this part as separate product(on Distributor/shop request but also Retail Customer). Additionally we can give "free of charge" advices with BT suggestion if Customer will simply ask.
Some platforms dont need to use external BT modules - like Android or Mac computers(not iMac's - they need additional module because internal module is shared with mouse/keyboard).
So yes, I can agree that we know that many of new computers(not all - I think that maybe about 60-65%) have 1mW output power modules which can work not properly. But it can be really easy fixed using USB BT module which can be bought from PC hardware store(or ebay, etc) sometimes for few USD with shipping included.
About Macbook Pro/Air. Yes, they are capable and have very good BT radio which work perfectly with our lamps but EVERYTHING depend from OS.
There are several reports from Customers that their computers worked perfectly with our products until they wasnt changing OS from Maverick to Yosemite(for example) - a specially that first versions of Yosemite released in last year.
Again - hardware in our lamps and computer was not changed - only OS was changed, so why we cant say: "It's caused by Yosemite OS which is not stable and include several bugs?"
We had response(from some Customers) that we are blaming Apple for "our" issues.
That situations with Yosemite was looking really very bad in last year and after several patches released by Apple it started working better and better. We didnt change ANYTHING. So why we cant say that this problems was cause by Apple OS? Only difference was OS - under Maverick its working, under Yosemite - firstly not, after several(thousands?) reports from Customers worldwide that Yosemite has a lot of bugs with AirDrop, WiFi and BT connections - Apple started doing something with that...
BT wasnt invented to fast transfer data. I never said that it was.
But our devices DONT NEED fast transfer data. We needed to had stable and EASY to setup wireless communication layer which is MANY TIMES easier to manage than Wifi.
In Bluetooth you need to only discover, pair and connect(3 steps).
In Wifi - if you want to use it in your home network you need to have little more that basic knowledge(turn on/off computer) how to manage and set it up.
You need to know your network address, DNS, masks, default gateways and finally if you want to use it externally - how to set DMZ or apply external IP address to your device(manual - not using DHCP)
Of course - BT module not allow for controlling device from any place in the world. It's biggest cons. But it have also many pros not avalaible for other devices.
For example - compare it to GHL which have WiFi module. You cant do firmware update wireless. You need to do that by USB cable. But you cant do that under Mac - you need to do that under Windows. You cant do that under Android device.
Using BT module in our devices you can do all above using native OS.
Of course - I see how big advantages bring moving our device into Wifi network and I can promise you that we dont stop working on that and I think that we will be able to say little more(regarding our Cube) very soon.
Again - thank you for your input regarding it - I appreciate it :)
Issue rate - to be honest I was thinking about saying that its 97% but thought the same - it will not look realiable :-) Thats 95% was only "circa about" number. Let say that since 7 years on market we sold almost 14.000 devices - and our Service team have.... two peoples - Adam and Tomasz. Adam is responsible for Kore5th but mostly he spent his time on assembly new units.
Tomasz is main Service chief - take care about all devices but he is also designer and engineer. We have really very small % ratio of issues "related to hardware".
I know that there is still space to improve our manuals and probably doing that will decrease this numbers again.
Finally - maybe I'm "too close" in that discussion with Customers - not every time talking like Customer service but also like user of our devices(I have hybrid and two dosers in my home).
I can agree with every critical point in discussion which will be true and without any doubt its related with our devices. But it's hard for me to agree with every sentence said by our Customers only just because it's said by Customer even if I know that white is not black but white. Of course - sometimes it's grey - but it still is not black and that why we discuss here, right? :)


Przmek,

I have to agree with this comment...

"I must say that if you KNOW that nearly all laptops don't have sufficiently powerful bluetooth radios to reliably work with your product, as you have stated many times over a long period, then it is incumbent on you to include the equipment needed to connect"


The doser is a very expensive piece of equipment... I also had my share of issues. It really is a nice piece of equipment however from my experience there still are few shortcomings that need to be worked out. Please continue with your efforts and all should be fine. You guys have a great product.
Thank you - we are open for discussion and ideas what can be improved. Our IT team react really fast and all possible(and good :) ideas can be implemented very quickly.
Please share your thoughts or ideas with our service, it will help us make this product even better! :)
Does anyone else get the message "transferring data... Please wait" that comes up on the doser when trying to program it and that message never goes away until you do a soft restart on the device and lose all changed you just made?

Can anyone with a MacBook send a link to the Bluetooth adapter they bought and are happy with?

I bought this unit used from someone that ran it on Windows and the instructions are written mainly for PC users. I downloaded mac program, paired doser to laptop and started programming but can barely do anything before that message comes up and won't go away. I've emailed the support email twice and no answer yet. Need help!

"Transferring data" info on LCD mean that you are connected with doser and its waiting for datas from computer. Until you will not disconnect or change doser state to manual(on manual dose tab) you will not be able to control doser "by the hand". Mean - if you will out "manual pump start" when this info is on LCD it will not start. But it will if you will change doser to Manual mode(using switch button in Manual dose tab).

To dear PacSun,

Honestly, I was very excited when Kore 5th released to the market, but I immediately stop evaluation after realized it depend on bluetooth. When both submitter and receiver devices (e.g. iPhone and iWatch) owned by same company maybe not, otherwise Bluetooth require tremendous IOT test before product release; and after released, it still require continue IOT and filed support, which I think PacSun aware that now. I don't know who in charge Kore 5th system design and choose bluetooth for wireless connection, but...

Reason I asked again about internet access is just to double check after at least 6 months I did not follow Kore 5th update. To me, internet access is the most important feature for "smart aquarium", so I can remotely adjust KH doing volume when my KH reading increase or decrease, note Apex DoS and GHL can do so. Saying that, you may need to know a KH monitoring device (similar to Mindstream) is almost ready to the market. I have the lab 3 version, it is rock solid device, I never need to manually test KH anymore. And Yes, it also has internet access and app on iOS and Android. So, at this moment, I am looking for a dosing system have internet access, which allow complete free up myself for a 30+ day vocation from my fish tank ;-)

On the other side, I heard many good words about PacSun tech support, I sincerely hope Kore 5th can provide a release date of internet access feature. IMHO... It is way more important than iOS, Mac OS version app (note that I only use iSO and MacOS, not Windows)


cheers,

Thank you for input - we will discuss it with our IT. As I explained above I cant say exact date for Cube release but.. Keep fingers crossed! :)

I recently had an issue where my pumps were sticking on and I was having a lot of problems connecting with the doser. I was feeling frustration with the service as nothing fixed my problems. I admit that I lost my cool with the guys at Pacific Sun, even had some words with Przemek via PM, which we resolved by the way. I agreed to continue working with the technical service people and we found a solution I believe.

Faulty Power Supply!

Tomasz had me switch out a supply that I had laying around. It connected to the doser, doesn't lose contact, pumps work in any mode or configuration, and have been performing flawlessly. The power supply needs to be 12v, 1A, and a minimum of 12 watts according to Tomasz. Now I'm not saying this will fix everyone's issue, but it's worth a try. A new supply cost me $5 on Amazon.

Thanks Przemek, Tomasz, and Adam!

I just wanted pass this on and hopefully it will help others.
Yeah, It was new experience for Tomasz(and our service) - till this day when we got it we never had similar report. It looks like power supply with hidden deffect which was affecting overal doser work giving issues which were hard to assign with power supply.
Thank you for your patience and cooperation - it was new lesson for us! :-)

Regards

Przemek
 
Griff,

Thank you for your detailed reply, please allow me focus only on technical aspects of your response.

1. There is no any important differences between Mac OS X and Windows based app for Kore 5th. On both platforms Customers can set advanced programming, control stirrers etc. You don't need to run Windows on Mac since in last year we released special tools for upgrading firmware in our devices using any of following platforms: Windows, Mac OS X, Android.

2. Of course I know that you don't want to get not fully working product(Cube). During product development and closed Beta tests(by almost 20 EU Customers) we discovered some technical troubles (which affected two-ways communication between BT<>BT<>WIFI. Thats why we decided to postpone official release, redesign device and do a lot of work(still doing) to be sure how it will work - a specially that this Cube have to be compatible with all versions of our computers released since 2009 year.

I can agree with you that was fault that information about that was announced publicly too fast - we took this lesson and actually we not inform about any time frame on any our projects.

3. Apex - as I informed previously, I would like to not discuss about Pacific Sun internal policy. Simply Apex and PS haven't found and agreement regarding doing interface for our Kore 5th and control it by their computer. Who know, maybe key was placed in fact that they planned release their own dosing(DOS) system?

4. Laptops and their BT.

I need to say few words on the beginning.

We are selling BT enabled devices since 2009 year - as I remember we were first company in aquatic industry which offered wireless communication for our products. Since this time we sold almost 14.000 products(T5, LED, hybrids, dosers). They are using the same wireless module - and we are using the same our own communication protocols. It mean that you are able to connect with our lamp using Kore5th app(in emergency mode) and simply do soft reset - or change internal time.

What it mean and why I'm explaining that?

I'm doing that because I want to show that we gained really huge experience in last 6 years using our own hardware and working on different platforms(Windows, Mac, Android).

We know almost anything about all typical "issues" - signal strenght, CRC errors, etc.

Please take a look that we are using THE SAME BT modules in our lamps(which are sold in much more qty than dosers) and I dont remember so many(if any) issues reported by lamp users controlled from Mac platform(for example).

The same with Windows app for T5 lamps for example - actually I dont see any tickets in our internal system regarding it. But we have reports sent by Customers regarding the same for Kore 5th dosers. Where is the difference? Usually the difference is in fact that doser in putted into cabinet and it "block" outgoing/incoming singals from computer(we included external antena in dosers but it's not solving that issue in 100% if BT module is weak...

So - from technical point of view we can say - that communication protocols are proven because they work for T5 lamps, LED lamps etc but they are not working for some devices which operate with weak bluetooth signal.



Why BT modules are not included? Answer is very easy.

Few years ago they were included. All products had prices increased for about 10,00 euro and Customers(without difference that they needed or not) had to pay for that.

But...

We had MANY mails from Customers which bought our devices(a specially - more than one - like few lamps) WHY we want to charge them for this not needed by them modules? If you are buying few lamps and two dosers for example - it can be 40,50 euro which you can spent on your livestock but not on needed BT modules, right?

Several of that Customers asked us for removing it from their packages and offer prices not including this modules. We did it - prices of all products were reduced for BT module price and since this time Customers dont have to pay for something which dont need. If they will need BT module - we can sell it them directly or simply say which one(from avalaible in their country/local shop)will be ok.

I understand it, its clear - but its hard for us everytime to adjust pricing and doing "two" versions of the same products - with or without BT module.

Actually we offer this part as separate product(on Distributor/shop request but also Retail Customer). Additionally we can give "free of charge" advices with BT suggestion if Customer will simply ask.

Some platforms dont need to use external BT modules - like Android or Mac computers(not iMac's - they need additional module because internal module is shared with mouse/keyboard).

So yes, I can agree that we know that many of new computers(not all - I think that maybe about 60-65%) have 1mW output power modules which can work not properly. But it can be really easy fixed using USB BT module which can be bought from PC hardware store(or ebay, etc) sometimes for few USD with shipping included.

About Macbook Pro/Air. Yes, they are capable and have very good BT radio which work perfectly with our lamps but EVERYTHING depend from OS.

There are several reports from Customers that their computers worked perfectly with our products until they wasnt changing OS from Maverick to Yosemite(for example) - a specially that first versions of Yosemite released in last year.

Again - hardware in our lamps and computer was not changed - only OS was changed, so why we cant say: "It's caused by Yosemite OS which is not stable and include several bugs?"

We had response(from some Customers) that we are blaming Apple for "our" issues.

That situations with Yosemite was looking really very bad in last year and after several patches released by Apple it started working better and better. We didnt change ANYTHING. So why we cant say that this problems was cause by Apple OS? Only difference was OS - under Maverick its working, under Yosemite - firstly not, after several(thousands?) reports from Customers worldwide that Yosemite has a lot of bugs with AirDrop, WiFi and BT connections - Apple started doing something with that...

BT wasnt invented to fast transfer data. I never said that it was.

But our devices DONT NEED fast transfer data. We needed to had stable and EASY to setup wireless communication layer which is MANY TIMES easier to manage than Wifi.

In Bluetooth you need to only discover, pair and connect(3 steps).

In Wifi - if you want to use it in your home network you need to have little more that basic knowledge(turn on/off computer) how to manage and set it up.

You need to know your network address, DNS, masks, default gateways and finally if you want to use it externally - how to set DMZ or apply external IP address to your device(manual - not using DHCP)

Of course - BT module not allow for controlling device from any place in the world. It's biggest cons. But it have also many pros not avalaible for other devices.

For example - compare it to GHL which have WiFi module. You cant do firmware update wireless. You need to do that by USB cable. But you cant do that under Mac - you need to do that under Windows. You cant do that under Android device.

Using BT module in our devices you can do all above using native OS.

Of course - I see how big advantages bring moving our device into Wifi network and I can promise you that we dont stop working on that and I think that we will be able to say little more(regarding our Cube) very soon.

Again - thank you for your input regarding it - I appreciate it :)

Issue rate - to be honest I was thinking about saying that its 97% but thought the same - it will not look realiable :-) Thats 95% was only "circa about" number. Let say that since 7 years on market we sold almost 14.000 devices - and our Service team have.... two peoples - Adam and Tomasz. Adam is responsible for Kore5th but mostly he spent his time on assembly new units.

Tomasz is main Service chief - take care about all devices but he is also designer and engineer. We have really very small % ratio of issues "related to hardware".

I know that there is still space to improve our manuals and probably doing that will decrease this numbers again.

Finally - maybe I'm "too close" in that discussion with Customers - not every time talking like Customer service but also like user of our devices(I have hybrid and two dosers in my home).

I can agree with every critical point in discussion which will be true and without any doubt its related with our devices. But it's hard for me to agree with every sentence said by our Customers only just because it's said by Customer even if I know that white is not black but white. Of course - sometimes it's grey - but it still is not black and that why we discuss here, right? :)







Thank you - we are open for discussion and ideas what can be improved. Our IT team react really fast and all possible(and good :) ideas can be implemented very quickly.

Please share your thoughts or ideas with our service, it will help us make this product even better! :)





"Transferring data" info on LCD mean that you are connected with doser and its waiting for datas from computer. Until you will not disconnect or change doser state to manual(on manual dose tab) you will not be able to control doser "by the hand". Mean - if you will out "manual pump start" when this info is on LCD it will not start. But it will if you will change doser to Manual mode(using switch button in Manual dose tab).







Thank you for input - we will discuss it with our IT. As I explained above I cant say exact date for Cube release but.. Keep fingers crossed! :)





Yeah, It was new experience for Tomasz(and our service) - till this day when we got it we never had similar report. It looks like power supply with hidden deffect which was affecting overal doser work giving issues which were hard to assign with power supply.

Thank you for your patience and cooperation - it was new lesson for us! :-)



Regards



Przemek


Why does that never go away then? It just stays stuck on that and never takes my changes.
 
You need to use latest software and firmware.
When you connect to doser you will see on LCD info about "Transferring data..".
it will dissapear when you will disconnect or start manual dose(after switching to manual mode on).
Please check following picture - you need to set Manual mode on before you will be able to start it manually.
kore4.png
 
I don't want to start it manually. I want to program it so that it follows my settings. It won't take any changes I make too it because it gets locked up with the message I told you.

I downloaded the software from your site so I'm running the latest software. I don't know how to check the firmware part
 
If on your screen you see information about "Transferring data" it mean that you dont finished session with doser yet(previous connection wasnt finished properly).
Simply do restart of doser(by disconnecting power supply) now.
Please contact with service@pacific-sun.eu if you will need more advanced troubleshooting.
Thank you.
 
I've tried up then all the way down then up,

I've tried down then up

I've tried down then up then middle

Nothing works. I eventually get a operation timed out error.

This is with a laptop sitting less than 3 ft from the doser with a 100mw bt adapter so its NOT the adapter.

Display only ever shows "Bootloader ready" in fact I've had it on so long with that screen its burned into the screen. When I turn off the display I still see it faintly!
I got mine sorted after talking to the local distributer. He suggested doing each of these and trying but I just did them all at the same time.
I deleted the doser out of the Bluetooth memory/paired list, turned the doser off at the powerpoint. I also deleted and re installed the pacsun program (I'm using windows).
Reinstall and power everything back up then select the com port on the doser and then without connecting go to the service tab and select the update firmware.
Worked first go and is now back up and running and dosing as per normal.

HTH
James
 
James,

You would have to have paired with the doser before a com port would show up on the program right? Cuz I got no com port because my computer couldn't find the doser on bluetooth.

I'll give it shot some time, now that I can have the doser sitting right next to the computer comfortably rather than balancing on top of the tank. Disaster waiting to happen.
 
yeah that's right, once i turned the doser back on I got my bluetooth to search and then enter the 1234 code and it still found and paired to the doser even though it was bricked. When I paired it you can see the designated com port on the computer, then select the same on the front page of the pac sun program.
Hopefully you can get yours sorted
 
So I'm not sure how this happened but....My doser randomly changed how much Alk it was dosing and started under dosing my tank by almost 80% of what I had entered into the application. I also dose acropower and come to find out that the entire tube was drained of its contents and was not dosing properly.

I really find the application/interface is confusing, buggy and should be overhauled. I guess I don't understand how a unit that charges such a premium could have this many issues. Seriously thinking of going back to my BRS dosers....
 
So I'm not sure how this happened but....My doser randomly changed how much Alk it was dosing and started under dosing my tank by almost 80% of what I had entered into the application. I also dose acropower and come to find out that the entire tube was drained of its contents and was not dosing properly.

I really find the application/interface is confusing, buggy and should be overhauled. I guess I don't understand how a unit that charges such a premium could have this many issues. Seriously thinking of going back to my BRS dosers....

Doser cant change dosing amount by himself, it simply not possible.
Internal program is written with several auto protection procedures and if you set for example 12 doses daily - each of dose will be the same(its not possible from hardware /software point that it will dose different values).

It's hard to say why your tubing was drained. Maybe it was simp;ly emptied by gravity after last dose, its really hard to say(because it depend from your tubings instalation - lenghts, overal heights differences etc,
You can mount check velves on end of tubing(close to sump outlet) - it will protect against emptying tubing by gravity.

But without any doubt I can say that if doser is properly calibrated(and you can check it by using Test dose buttons) - it have to work as its programmed.
Im one of firmware creators and there is no any other person who knows more about that than me.
If you want to get proffesional troubleshooting please contact with our service@pacific-sun.eu sending your doser .mbf file(memory backup file) - it will allow our support team analyze your doser settings and check what(if) is wrong.
Direct contact with service is best idea to get direct help a specially that we are not supporting Customers thru Reefcentral.

Regards

Przemek
 
Doser cant change dosing amount by himself, it simply not possible.

Cant and shouldn't are 2 different things. I work with large diesel engines and one of our products has an engine controller that does some wierd **** (Changing values on its own, "forgetting" things) that it shouldn't be able to do. Unfortunately its not our product and the OEM for the controller cant figure it out. So it goes to show that sometimes stuff happens that there should be no way it should.

That being said i have a kore 5th doser (not setup on the tank yet but i have been in and out of the GUI a few times) I bought it because it is a very full featured unit, the hardware looks great and im sure that i will like it. I do think that the GUI and firmware in the unit still feels a bit "unpolished" but that just means there is room for improvement.

I hope that you read this as constructive criticism and not a dig against you guys. I bought one knowing that the product is just going to get better.

That being said. Here is a mod i made to my setup.
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I cant use the hanging brackets and really didnt want multiple things in the chamber. I have a BC29 for now and space is limited.
 
Trust me I love the on paper capabilities of this unit. When it's working like it should it's rock solid. I've been monitoring my parameters lately and one day my Alk started dropping. I then decided to watch the amount it dosed and it was way under what I programmed. I had to go in and re-do...maybe a ghost in the system but it's all good and has been going strong for 24 hours now.

I still standby my opinion that the interface with computer application has lots of room for improvement.

Example, when I change a dose setting. I hit save and I have zero acknowledgement that the unit accepted my dose settings. You have to hit save to see if it takes and a lot of the times I see it change the dose to something random, again I realize it's "not" supposed to but. But I've hit save before for 70ml and it changed it to .7 ml's. Again, it's weird I know...

Also the interface for the liquid status...although a handy feature I think it's a bit overkill and very confusing.

The one thing I can say I've never had a problem with is connecting to the doser via Bluetooth. Lol
 
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