Photo Copyright Infringement

[mcliffy2]

I believe the way copyrights work, unless he has paid to register it, is that all he can do is spend a ton of money on lawyers to make you take the picture down, he probably couldn't get cash for your use. If the work is registered, then he could go for lost profits, punitive damages, etc.

 

[reefkeeperrut]

copyright, shmopyright...it's just a picture.

 

[jjjimmy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9345616#post9345616 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mnestroy
I will admit, I was one of the first to repost his photos... I think making a deal about the photos and having them removed makes this hobby take 1 step back in he wrong direction.

A user had made a comment thanking me for posting the pictures cause he had never been to a frag swap and had no idea what to expect. So your request to have them removed, you are only hurting this hobby..

But I understand, you have own agenda, and I suspect yours is to promote & better that other website, not not this hobby.

Needless to say I will not contribute to that other message board or give them any money in a sponsored event, since their only goal is to better their site and not this hobby. (and the mods of this board also feel this way cause the site your referring to gets automatically deleted from the post)

This board can also be accused of the same thing (bettering their site and not the hobby as a whole) by not allowing links to other sites. If all boards were to allow links to each other just think of how much more information would be available to each individual without having to do multiple searches in multiple places.

 

[joroscoe]

what's a candid snapshot?

 

[yznhmr]

jjjimmy hit it right on the head...

 

[yznhmr]

and if anyone thinks ANY of these websites are only looking out for hobbiest.. they need to take a step back... these sites generate alot of $$, they are profitable, they have to do what they feel is best for there business, not for the users..

I dont think Gary was only trying to help the other website only.
He is a nice guy, and his work should be respected, if you want to use it maybe some one should ask him to use it.

but also if you can't cross post from there to here due to the rules, it should apply to pics as well. The other site never complains or delets posts for cross posting to their site.

 

[whirley]

Does that mean that "New Kids on the block.mp3" song I downloaded off of Limewire was illegal?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

In all seriousness, it's Gary's picture, it's Gary's right to do what he wants to do with it. Unfortunally, it's the web, and policing such laws is impossible.

"Hanging tough"

RIAA vs FileSharing Programs...who's right?

 

[mhurley]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9346807#post9346807 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by yznhmr
they have to do what they feel is best for there business, not for the users..

Jason,

We've known each other for a long time but I simply cannot disagree with you more on this comment. The very reason this board is successful is a result of the policies and practices we've had for years. If RC is so "business" focused and didn't care about the users, nobody would be coming here and we wouldn't be having this discussion because the domain would be up for sale. Every single decision we make around policies always asks "what do the members need/want?" and "What is best for the entire member base?" It is never "because the sponsors said so" or "RC will make more money".



Regarding cross posting to other forums....There are 2 issues here.

First, we absolutely allow cross posting of links to other discussions. i.e. "In answer to your question about ick, check out this thread on reefs.org/threadid=123654."

We do not allow "go check out www.reefs.org".

Now, the exception to these rules is when some forum/vendor has violated our policies to the point that we've had to block their URL from being displayed and that shoots down both scenarios above.

Yes, this site generates money, but it also costs an incredible amount of money to keep these forums and ReefKeeping Magazine running. The bigger you get, the more it costs. To those fledgling sites out there that curse the name of RC because of how big we are or our "rules"...I would say be careful what you wish for...I've watched a number of those new sites open up over the years as "free for all" environments and after time...rules and policies started suddenly popping up (gasp even commercial policies)...IMO, a Wild West type of forum simply cannot survive in the long term because having that structure is unmanageable and alienates both people and sponsors. And without those, you'd better have some very deep personal pockets to keep it alive.

 

[BrokenReefer]

For most people that are not the wiser - most BB message boards will not allow clickable links to be used, due to the fact that they are then responsible for the content on the other side of that link. And if it's to a site, such as littlemidgets for example, then they'd need to screen every page for content that violates their TOS which is tedious.

I moderate a few other boards, and they are all the same - and no, the boards I'm at do not turn a hefty profit. In fact, if they break even that's a good month/year.

Just some helpful info for the unaware.

 

[RobTop]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9347950#post9347950 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mhurley
"go check out www.reefs.org".

Mike you broke the rules

 

[ostrow]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9348080#post9348080 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by RobTop
Mike you broke the rules

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Course, when I tried to link to my own pictures from here to another, mostly freshwater board, my pics got zapped by RC. Not sure how doing that hurt RC but, oh well.

 

[reefman133]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9345616#post9345616 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mnestroy
I will admit, I was one of the first to repost his photos... I think making a deal about the photos and having them removed makes this hobby take 1 step back in he wrong direction.

A user had made a comment thanking me for posting the pictures cause he had never been to a frag swap and had no idea what to expect. So your request to have them removed, you are only hurting this hobby..

But I understand, you have own agenda, and I suspect yours is to promote & better that other website, not not this hobby.

Needless to say I will not contribute to that other message board or give them any money in a sponsored event, since their only goal is to better their site and not this hobby. (and the mods of this board also feel this way cause the site your referring to gets automatically deleted from the post)

Why must you run your mouth? You have no idea or clue. If you want pictures, take your own and post them here, there or wherever. It was not a RC event, it was rockford reefers & UF. Why should someone else benefit from their hard work?

 

[reefman133]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9346807#post9346807 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by yznhmr
and if anyone thinks ANY of these websites are only looking out for hobbiest.. they need to take a step back... these sites generate alot of $$, they are profitable, they have to do what they feel is best for there business, not for the users..

I dont think Gary was only trying to help the other website only.
He is a nice guy, and his work should be respected, if you want to use it maybe some one should ask him to use it.

but also if you can't cross post from there to here due to the rules, it should apply to pics as well. The other site never complains or delets posts for cross posting to their site.

I agree with Jason, he's like a genius!

 

[karenL]

I was under the impression that the internet was a public place.
I have heard that there is no implied right to privacy in a public location
I now feel as though I have violated everyones right to privacy by reading this thread
Please except my appology for reading this thread and every other thread I've read. I may have read someones copywritted posts and shared this info with others without giving the author credit
also
I am guilty of sharing some of your galleries and photos to others
I did not claim ownership nor did I hunt down your real name or use your user name
I now realize that every avitar I photoshopped has been a criminal act
Gosh, I guess I'll be spending eternity in the firey pits of hell

 

[mnestroy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9345616#post9345616 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mnestroy
I will admit, I was one of the first to repost his photos... I think making a deal about the photos and having them removed makes this hobby take 1 step back in he wrong direction.

A user had made a comment thanking me for posting the pictures cause he had never been to a frag swap and had no idea what to expect. So your request to have them removed, you are only hurting this hobby..

But I understand, you have own agenda, and I suspect yours is to promote & better that other website, not not this hobby.

Needless to say I will not contribute to that other message board or give them any money in a sponsored event, since their only goal is to better their site and not this hobby. (and the mods of this board also feel this way cause the site your referring to gets automatically deleted from the post)

Your account at Uberfrags. net has been suspended.

Reason for Suspension
"Needless to say I will not contribute to that other message board or give them any money in a sponsored event, since their only goal is to better their site and not this hobby. (and the mods of this board also feel this way cause the site your referring to gets automatically deleted from the post)"

With this comment you have no reason to be on this site.


Laugh, like I said, there is more to this discussion than just two people posting photos from this event, and I really think this whole situation goes to show the characters of the site in question.

Instead of wanting others to share their experience at the swap they do the opposite by requesting all photos be taken down, as punishment for me voicing my comments they suspend my account...

:rollface:

 

[Pufferpunk]

I have posted some of my pictures here, that I have taken scuba diving. I hope to sell some of these pics for big bucks someday. I purposely post them at the lowest resolution possible, so no one can cop them for their own use. I hope no one is using them somewhere else.

 

[svb57]

mnestroy,

I would say we have a snitch amongst us!!!!

Why would they suspend you account there when you posted your comments here unless they don't believe in free speach on the other site!

 

[craftytony]

adding a little fuel to the fire...
I checked out the photos on the Rockford Reefers page, and I didn't see anything stating the photos were copyrighted or "DO NOT USE"

maybe this would help next time...

this statement has been copyrighted by Craftytony...any use will result in the immediated end of your life

disclaimer: I have nothing against photographers or rockford. I know a couple photographers and have been to rockford many times. Photographers can be great people, and rockford can be a nice place to visit...

 

[steri]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9344640#post9344640 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by aiko670
Answered my own question....

http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-general.html#what

Hmmmm, I don't know about you, but this cleared nothing up for me. This does not cover pictures on the internet, and I didn't see anything about internet policy at all!

The internet is a public forum. That's the way it is. Thread sites and all this type of stuff is PUBLIC FORUM, and to all my understanding, thread sites such as RC and others are not covered under copyright. The only argument for this guy would be if he was say a published author, or documented his work AS A PHOTOGRAPHER the way websites such as Fred Fox does. Come on guys, if you believe this guy, 1/2 of the avatar's I see are probably crossing some type of line, but that's not the case. Pics were posted on the net. Unless he put some type of warning on the pics when he posted them saying DO NOT COPY, DO NOT REUSE, etc, then he is blowing smoke ( I am willing to bet no warning was there prior to the pics being shared, although it may be there now ). He may be a nice guy, I don't doubt that, but this was done because he is trying to help his website grow, not this website. This website is his competition. They are not friends, they are in buisness against each other, and are fighting for the same population of people. Any edge, however tiny it may be precieved is what Gary seems to be fighting for, for his website.

I think the fact that he would suspend a membership just because someone has an opinion on a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WEBSITE speaks 100% to what the agenda is here, and that agenda seems to say to me, "I want an edge to make a buck," not "let me help promote the hobby of reefing." Promoting the hobby of reefing is completely secondary to the overall goal.......profit. I think even RC would agree with that.

 

[jjjimmy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9349387#post9349387 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by steri
Hmmmm, I don't know about you, but this cleared nothing up for me. This does not cover pictures on the internet, and I didn't see anything about internet policy at all!

The internet is a public forum. That's the way it is. Thread sites and all this type of stuff is PUBLIC FORUM, and to all my understanding, thread sites such as RC and others are not covered under copyright. The only argument for this guy would be if he was say a published author, or documented his work AS A PHOTOGRAPHER the way websites such as Fred Fox does. Come on guys, if you believe this guy, 1/2 of the avatar's I see are probably crossing some type of line, but that's not the case. Pics were posted on the net. Unless he put some type of warning on the pics when he posted them saying DO NOT COPY, DO NOT REUSE, etc, then he is blowing smoke ( I am willing to bet no warning was there prior to the pics being shared, although it may be there now ). He may be a nice guy, I don't doubt that, but this was done because he is trying to help his website grow, not this website. This website is his competition. They are not friends, they are in buisness against each other, and are fighting for the same population of people. Any edge, however tiny it may be precieved is what Gary seems to be fighting for, for his website.

I think the fact that he would suspend a membership just because someone has an opinion on a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WEBSITE speaks 100% to what the agenda is here, and that agenda seems to say to me, "I want an edge to make a buck," not "let me help promote the hobby of reefing." Promoting the hobby of reefing is completely secondary to the overall goal.......profit. I think even RC would agree with that.

To the best of my knowledge Gary is not the owner of the other site. I know the owner personally and it is not Gary. Gary does not have the authority or the means to suspend anyone from the site in question.