pico reef pest algae problem challenge

Brandon, I know that people are leery of dosing peroxide directly in their tanks and are afraid it is going to create all kinds of issues and problems. Let me add a twist to what you have been advocating: I have dosed 5 ml of 3% H2O2 directly into my tank to see what effect it would have other than raising the O2 level and reducing the DOC.

Nothing untoward happened at all. Zoas closed for maybe 20 minutes and then re-opened just as nicely as before. GSP retracted for about the same time. No other corals showed ANY sign of even being affected and that includes a 3 head Duncan, a 3 head Candy Cane, a 2 Head Leather, a 1 head Leather, a tiny red mushroom, a Ricordea florida, 2 fairly large Ricordeo yumas and more.

No reaction whatsoever ... all I noticed is that the DOC was reduced (the how fast do bubbles at the top of the water pop test was used as I do not have a way of testing DOC by any other method but when bubbles pop faster the surface tension is obviously lower due to less DOC and so they pop just about immediately after they form).

So, to agree with you, yes treating outside of the aquarium works for sure, but when used directly IN the aquarium I have not seen any negative effects either.

Now one has to be careful obviously about how much is added and not dump large quantities in the water all at the same time.

Start with a low quantity and increase it as you go along, and when you Zoas react you probably know that you have just about reached as much as you can add at one time.

The next thing to do is to add the quantity every few hours rather than maybe once a day.

I have used the method to raise the water quality dosing 5 ml in a 20 gallon tank (minus what the rocks displace) every 3 hours, for 4 times in a row, so 4 treatments in one day, and have not seen any adverse effects at all.

FWIW
 
I did another frag treatment tonight. If I can get the bryopsis off my zoa and ricordea frags, I would just get rid of all my rock and start over.
 
here is my dilema right now with bubble algae, i just upgraded tanks 3 weeks ago, used 100% new water when i moved everything over, what i could treat out of the tank, i did, I am still getting some new bubble algae and more growth from some that is there. I have some growing on a rock that my RBTA's are on. Would it be safe to turn off all flow to tank and treat that bubble algae with it being so close to the anemones? Also getting some GHA starting in the tank. The water was 100% new 3 weeks ago, so i suspect phospates are leeching from my rock.

I just dont want to bother or kill my anemones. On a good note, 3 weeks in and i am already having coralline growing on the overflow box and back glass
 
Great under water application

2tbl spoons of no cook fruit pectin

2oz 29% H202

Mix together put in fridge for 20min and then draw in a syringe shut all pumps off and apply. It will stay right in place when applied. ImageUploadedByTapatalk1348074640.258715.jpg
 
Napi how are you doing man! Each time Im soliciting the treatment in another forum I always input the statement "the worst outcome we've had is that it didn't work" :) from your tank with magic algae that battery acid couldnt even beat~

did things ever get better? That is a great idea on the pectin, Id appreciate seeing some of that in action...how long it stays before it dissolves etc

but as far as binders that are likely safe for the reef thats the best dang idea Ive heard yet, certainly predictably safer than the peroxide gels used in the hairdressing industry, really smart idea man. I hope that turns into something

Snake, on the anemones we've had reports of them shrinking out of stress and then coming back, no actual losses, but across genera they do show some disdain for the treatment. I don't expect any doses at the 1:10 ratio to kill them, thats not inline with our previous reports. But I always say if you have a sensitive animal like that, don't exceed the 1:10 dosing and don't just broadcast it into the tank, do the underwater spot treatment with the pumps off to give the targets the highest concentration time possible before it dissolves into the surrounding water and exposes all organisms to the same amount of h202

Try to brainstorm unique ways of holding that peroxide underwater on the target as long as possible...if not the binder method napoli mentioned above, we've seen others use interesting methods. One guy took a pill bottle and put a hole in the bottom, to inject into.
He inverted the pill bottle over little target areas, then injected the peroxide into the container which was capped over the target...that really holds it in place, and you can calculate a known safe dose of 1/2 ml per ten gallons to do it! wait a couple days, repeat etc. Brainstorming cool tricks like that can kill your targets using even less than an already known safe dose of 1:10
B
 
love the pill bottle idea...
would also love to know if the pectin works~~~

one question- for non food grade peroxide is the "safe dose" 1/2ml per 10gallon?
or is that the food grade? thanks...
 
Ive seen different levels of food grade so we'd better talk percentages

its the 3% at one mil to ten gallons
1/2 mil was the sub experimental dose using a concentration trick...it might not work but it will be a very safe dose to start at since the 1:10 is already well known as long as you don't have organisms from the list of intolerants

the food grade at 35% would not be wisely dosed to a whole tank when the 3% will do

But, i don't even use 3% anymore for months and months I wanted a high octane fix and I don't dose my tank anyway...its all drain and treats for me

what are you trying to cure? got pics?
 
Heres my before, and after. I manually removed as much as possible, then removed the rock, and used a fresh unopened bottle of 3%. Used a needle syringe and doused the bryopsis.... time elapsed... about 30 hours.
 

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hair algea for me...
don't want to have to remove the rock, so i'm going to try a "injection" or maybe the pectin approach...
 
I wish I would have found this thread a long time ago.. I have a 75 gallon tank that has slowly been taken over by bryopsis. I have just about lost all my zoa frags to it. I will be giving this a try to try and rid this once and for all. I have a post with some pictures of what is taking over all my my live rock. I will try removing each rock and dipping it. My biggest concern is losing my zoa's but if i do not do anything I am going to loose them anyway. Also I have around 5 RBTA's that are attached to the rocks so I will just not dip them.


Please see this post for the pictures.
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2199359
 
Elabar thanks for stopping in, I do think you have a great chance as I've never seen zoanthids die from even a harsh dosing, please snap before and after pics of certain rocks I think you will enjoy getting a leg up on the problem
 
Ok, Im game. Have two - three rocks with hair algae. Was thinking of just throwing them away and buying new rocks, but then found this thread. Giving hydrogen peroxide a shot. I will remove the rocks now, pour the 3% hydrogen peroxide over the hair algae clusters, and will let sit in my bathtub for 5 minutes. Then will rinse with RODI, and place back in the tank. Will post follow up pics also.

See below pics for my targets
 
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So my first two pics were one rock, before treatment. Held the rock over an empty 4g bucket, and poured the peroxide over the various clumps of HA until PLENTY saturated. then tilted the bucket so all the peroxide was in a corner, and placed the rock upside down so the algae clumps were all submerged. Let it sit for 5 minutes. Took it out, sprayed with a few extra drops of peroxide, let sit for approx 45 seconds.

Dipped rock in seperate 4G bin with RODI. Swirled and shook the rock underwater. I DID NOT pull any HA off, just swooshed the rock around. Results immediately noticable.

After rinsing, placed back in display tank.

Below are pics of what came off, on its own, from less than a minute of rinsing in RODI. And also pic of the rock (which I can see again) back in my tank. Will post more pics in a day or two.
 
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Thank you very much for sharp pics
Stuff is a goner, about two more days it will be starkly different based on the strength of the peroxide (new bottle/opened a while ago etc)
 
Thanks for following up with me! This tank has taken a backseat over the last few months since I've been building up a 75G. After the 75 was completed, it was awesome, and it motivated me to just replace this tank in my bedroom with something larger. This tank is a 14G biocube, and its now adjacent to a new 28 nano cube.

My goals for this project are to clean up the rock so they can be moved to the new nano cube. I just dont want to introduce HA to my new tank that is clean and doesnt have any yet.

My peroxide was the 3%, and was approx 1 month old. Cap was tightly on it
 
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