pico reef pest algae problem challenge

I am soooo happy you posted this cant wait for pics. I saw this algae shot yesterday in the Chem forum and was really hoping youd do peroxide, it will completely fix your problem and allow you to start fresh with a cleaner nutrient management approach.

No method beats peroxide for cleaning a tank so far, and -preventing- algae outbreaks. Nutrient management simply reduces the amount of time we spend manually removing. Manual removal is the 2012 method of removing algae, and peroxide is the way until a better way is shown. Really thanks for posting, Im working on a new article about algae management that does not rehash the same info we've all been told for the last decade and this thread and others are supporting info
 
if you can't spot treat with full 3%, which is ideal and doesn't affect live rock benthic life, then a 50 50 dip is used for these extreme situations
 
harmful to leathers????

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a few other shots to show how bad the infestation was. i got some rock(that had GHA on it and i was aware of it) from a local guy an thought i got it all off. well bad lights, skimmer too low among other things this is what i got........im currently removing some rock to dip and scrubbing other rock with a shop vac that has a bristle brush on it

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yeppers that bad boy was pretty rough. it could likely take a few treatments lol but it will zap it in time. Im wondering if your rock is made of pure phosphate :)
 
On 1/6/11 I washed (not dipped) this rock with 50:50 3% H2O2 and this was how it looked after the wash.

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Today (1/25/11), the rock still looks clean but I am seeing some regrowth of the HA at the areas that I circled. The bottom tip was close to the bottom rocks that I didn't treat so the regrowth could have been spreaded from the bottom rocks. At least from my experience, HA can regrow on a rock 3 weeks after treated. Did anyone share the same experience?

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as stated before in the thread i believe, this is a way to rid GHA but preventive measures still need to be taken, i.e. controlling nitrates, po4, feeding, running a skimmer, gfo of sorts.
this is some things i plan to stay on top of a little bit better, as it'll hopefully prevent me from working like i did today.....

i pulled just about every rock in my tank that wast in my foam/rock wall out, dipped them in peroxide, scrubbed them hard, then i replaced them in the tank with a new aquascape. now i do have a few questions......some of the rocks have coral on them and i was "easy on the dip and scrub" on them but i placed the h202 directly on the gha but since i couldn't scrub really hard like i needed to some the algae remained intact with the rock. will this eventually die off since i put the h202 on it???
while i had all the rock out the tank for the most part i also siphoned the foam rock wall with a shop vac that had a bristle brush attachment to it. it got quiet a bit off and what it didn't i will get over the next few days.
i then put new carbon in my reactor and lowered my skimmer level just a tad so it won't overflow every other minute with all this gunk floating around in my tank
pics to follow
corey
 
my opinion/rationale>
Green hair algae (the generalized term) is universally distributed in aquatic and marine systems via ubiquitous airborne spores along with cyano red and green, and several other forms of undesirables like micro algae...constant bombardment into our tanks via the air.

they can and will repopulate based on variables in each tank unless the owner can find that elusive sweet spot where corals grow and algae/pest does not, long term. I personally have never found the spot, its something to strive for. I see it posted from time to time. first I need to see a 3+ year old tank or more to believe anyone has found any sweet spot, but provided thats in place Im really looking for what works long term and its 2% of tanks online who find such a long term sweet spot where they magically get no pest algae growth of any kind for years. Agu is that man it still frustrates me / sheer jealousy ->

98% have algae to deal with so your regrowth Simon is common, but you might agree its much controlled compared to the first run

That spot I treated and posted pics of in the first pages, there is one tiny strand of gha real low to the rock about an inch over that came back this week, in about a month it will be a pinhead sized patch like the one I burned, that's my regrowth, will have to apply 1 drop of peroxide again about Feb 20th. Im not worried at all, this is the common cycle, we didn't think peroxide would stop algae it was just known to instantly kill it so that I get to never test for phosphate again for the life of my tank.

phosphate targeting is not long established in reef circles :) it is a post 2004 webwide bandwagon (nitrate before that) and while helpful it does not cure pest invasion it merely selects against it. you can still follow water maintenance trends of maintaining incredibly low N and P and get invader X -> thats a letdown to me, so a major tenet in this thread is that water maintenance is indeed not the secret to an algae free tank and neither is a clean up crew. We followed methods that didn't repeatably work, there was a missing variable, and thats effective manual removal as the primary action.

water maintenance determines how often you prune and thats it. keep water within the ranges coral needs to grow, then don't worry about it, thats my way.

peroxide buys us time to keep tinkering with better starvation methods while still trying to keep the corals fed.
its mainly a reset button as we begin to see more and more that clean up crews have been overhyped to us for a long time.

notice no crabs are coming along helpfully pruning this stuff until you burn it first :)



bryopsis and other inclusive genera that look similar, macro algae like dictyota, neomeris etc along with red brush algae like gelidium and countless other rhodophyta members, members of the diatom families, are not airborne they are obligate hitchikers

even though you've treated peroxide in certain areas of bryopsis growth, there is no telling what mass lies deep in the rock or up inside niche areas that peroxide didn't get to so these popups are simply hiders revealing their places.
 
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a few pics.........
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some are harder to see as i used my iPhone to take the pics.....:D :D :D
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skimmer in action, might change the water level a bit as its mostly foam now and i want to get all the algae floating around in my tank out of it. i have chunks I'm netting here!!1
one large rock that i dumped peroxide onto since it wouldn't fit in my bucket
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a few leathers touched the peroxide, should they be ok after a day or two??

all in all my tank still needs some GHA removed but i got a TON out of it and it looks great, the h202 really works and so did using the shop vac to siphon and pull some out. i will continue using it try and rid my tank of this garbage!!
corey
 
Yea I got a ton out, got plenty to go but it's working! My next area to tackle it the foam rock wall since I can't take it out. I've been siphoning it w a brush mostly
Corey
 
Should I do 50 percent water 50 percent 3% peroxide solution and dip entire rock, or just drip straight peroxide on target area or 75 percent water 25 percent peroxide solution.

I guess what I'm asking is how much should this peroxide be diluted, if even at all?
 

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Thanks for posting this will be a great progression to show

can you also post a standing back shot of the tank to see any other targets/approaches? Id like to see the problem as a whole if possible and if its that bad...

if thats a tonga branch or something you are holding Id just dropper apply straight undiluted 3%, wait 2 or 3 mins, rinse and install and wait 5 days it will die. take pics on day 3 and 5 pls!

just a small amount of peroxide actually wicks into the matrix of algae via capillary action, even just 5 drops straight 3% will nuke that stuff. a spraying/external coat with peroxide in a mister bottle also works wonders.

any red variant takes longer to die than a green variant target, we don't know why its interesting and mysterious biology.

peroxide of any dosage, any application method will clean that off most certainly we just want to choose action based on the surroundings and whether or not you can lift that piece out of the water
 
Very interesting read!

So, usually for an entire tank dosing, you mentioned 1ml per 10gallons for a few days straight. Then you mention a water change.

When do you recommend a water change, and how large?

Also, any SPS you have found to definitely be effected in a negative manner with this peroxide application? How about typical CUC like hermits and snails?


Thanks!!
 
is the fully tank. the previous pic is the power head on the left. also have bryprosis on the intake filter. now these can be taken out and cleaned. but the red algae has creeped on the zoas on the left and a small patch on the rocks to the right so i wanted to try it on the power head first

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you have the perfect perfect system for this. all points are accessible and you acted fast without waiting for X to creep all over your tank

the cleaner shrimps can be lost if any peroxide gets into the tank.
If those target areas are lifted from the tank, burnt w peroxide then rinsed well and put back in no problem for the cleaners, no peroxide is getting back in main tank.

zoanthids tolerate it like water if the treatment is brief, when you are ready take a 50/50 diluted run of 3% peroxide/saltwater and externally spot treat them after lifting out of the tank just for a safe margin.

good call on taking it slow, no hurry. There's no possible way you can treat the area and it not be wiped free of the invader so why rush things.

A friend in a thread on livingreefs forum simply took his cleaners out and held them in a quarantine tank for a few days while dosing and running carbon/water changes after the peroxide run. Other than preemptive measures to protect cleaner shrimp your tank is a perfect example of peroxide being the preferred method of algae control for fast and simple redo's
 
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Thought you might have missed my post, here it is again :)

Very interesting read!

So, usually for an entire tank dosing, you mentioned 1ml per 10gallons for a few days straight. Then you mention a water change.

When do you recommend a water change, and how large?

Also, any SPS you have found to definitely be effected in a negative manner with this peroxide application? How about typical CUC like hermits and snails?


Thanks!!
 
Hi Mighty I did miss it thnk I run around like a headless chicken on these peroxide threads compiling outcomes lol


That is a general concensus dosing for a tankwide approach. tankwide dosings are still pretty experimental which is why the recurring theme in all peroxide threads Im on is to only treat the area of concern, not the whole tank if possible, that way Im certain no one will lose corals or sensitive inverts like cleaner shrimp.

Between the dosers on this thread, and the nano reef linked reference thread from page 1 or 2, the 1ml:10 ml ratio is common and the water change hasn't been pinpointed yet across tanks (some haven't even done the follow up water change) so I recommend the largest you can stand to do, which exports the most peroxide you can from the system. Matching temp and specific gravity and pouring in the new change water slowly, to avoid kicking up settled waste, has been the preferential mode when doing these big safety water changes.

Can you post pics of your system to see if we can avoid whole tank dosing? As an additional read, try googling "3reef forums peroxide reef tank" or something like that, along with a similar search for manhattanreefers which will also link you to -huge- threads of people doing tankwide dosings, that should allow you to get some comparisons on similar systems.

Across tanks both spot treated and systemically dosed I see no reports of loss of clean up crews, they appear to be nonsensitive if that helps any.

shoot us some pics let's see how bad we're talking!
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I'm going to start the peroxide dip tonight I didn't want to upset the new inhabitants tiger pistol and gobie . and on a lighter note I just found FLAT WORMS in my tank :headwalls: . or better yet just noticed the hundreds on the sand. Peroxide wouldn't happen to be the magic potion to kill these guys to eh
 
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