pico reef pest algae problem challenge

Ok, had a go with some spot treatments with 3% in order to get a feel for the it. Cleaned powerheads and rinsed thorougly.

Now, as I mentioned, the problem in my tank is minor. However, a friend of mine has a severe infestation that he is unable to control by the usual methods, and is limited by several factors that I won't go into for brevity's sake. I am going to help him try this method.

The rock is also fixed, so removing it will be difficult. We will start with one of the rocks first that will come out easily.

Corals as follows:
Acan
Calustrea
Favia
Donut
GSP (tiny frag)
Hermits & snails

Pics to follow...
 
Tank is around 100L, with a lot of growth on the back. These pictures were taken after a thorough cleaning session a couple of days ago.

FTS:
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The first rock we plan on treating:
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Acans / poorly Euphyllia:
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Poorly favia:
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A couple of questions:

How best to treat the back but reduce peroxide ingress?
How to treat the area very close to the acans particularly and avoid contact?

Your advice is much appreciated, looking forward to tackling this at the weekend!
 
A couple of questions:

How best to treat the back but reduce peroxide ingress?
How to treat the area very close to the acans particularly and avoid contact?

Your advice is much appreciated, looking forward to tackling this at the weekend!

thanks for the follow up whatever pics you take of yours or your friends tank that you can get. Im not sure about treating the back area until we get some pics to visualize...some in tank treatments can be done by using various items to temporarily hold the peroxide in contact with a target area with the tanks pumps off to simply maximize contact time a little beyond just dumping it in the tank.

I have used tiny model paintbrushes and eyedroppers to spot apply peroxide accurately
 
Thanks for the interest and advice Brandon.

Pics are there between my first and last posts yesterday - can you see my post? They didn't show on my phone today, but I can see it now...
 
it's showing on my phone too now, post #1262...

Looking forward to some GHA bashing this weekend, the test area in my tank has responded very well indeed.
 
thats exactly the kind of tank I like to have in here for examples.
promise you wont leave us hanging on the follow up pics like my other bros from pages gone :) yours will look so nice, like a new tank. You can either repeat as needed, or find a new preventative to prevent this regrowth or at least slow it where you use a combo of peroxide and X as needed to maintain perfection from primary producer infestation.
make sure to use a new, unopened bottle.

nearly all the applications on target except for the acan can be done without polyp contact.

no sensitive corals, good detail pics, and a near absolutely great outcome in the works. That acan you can expect to remain stressed for a while, that algae overgrowth is as irritating if not moreso than the little peroxide you are going to get on it because the encroachment is really marked.

But its not a sensitive species...so, even if the tissue acts all wierd, in a few days when the algae is dead the unobstructed tissue will rebound and what you will see is a little bit of the septa protruding out the side of the coral and in time that will regrow. Feed this bad boy directly to speed it up, a little blenderized mysis right in each polyp each morning for three months is the doctors scrip :) or just let it go au naturale in the tank feeding indirectly off various sources and it will still be fine it w just take longer to cover up those septa w overgrowth.

I have a frogspawn thats showing septa as we speak from red mushroom encroachment just like your acan. after I zap them with a custom majano wand, it will take three mos to heal, then they will come back and encroach again and we'll repeat the diddy. thats the dance I have to do for success since my tank is so small and so old and someone talked me into trying the evil beasts that are red corallimorphs lol.

Your tank:
I noticed you have a large grain substrate, this is why detail fts help a lot. You know thats catching a little more detritus than normal and factoring into the algae issue but its really not a big deal if you can work a little better during water changes to keep it clean, maybe with a standard gravel vac if that works on that grain size correctly.


thats a lot of water to drain out to access the target spots so it seems you might be lifting out the rock to do external work, good. this allows you to clean up under that structure where currents will have certainly deposited a little mulm. a tank drain is also an option if you have that much water...a big change is fine any time if you match params well. either way is fine.

so as you set that rock out on a towel, no rush, those corals and the bacteria can be emersed for far longer than you feel ok doing it, so maybe keep the total out job to 5 mins or so and you are well within the safety zones. My tank stays drained 20 mins sometimes with 16 varieties of coral just like that :) its tuned for a beating quite well.

that live rock does not have benthic growth that will cause ammonia spikes upon reentry, bet on that. unless you use api test kits then be prepared to be freaked out on a .25 reading lol

dropper/paintbrush/dribble on peroxide on the bad spots, let sit a couple mins, rinse off and put back in tank. dont hand remove it, makes for good pics. the minor dieoff of the algae is hardly anything in terms of nutrient stores, a single day's feeding is 10x worse P and N

the back wall can either be scraped clean or with a drain and treat, you can lay a wet paper towel with peroxide temporarily across any patches and let it cook for a sec then lift off.
 
The acan just to clarify is still an external treatment, not a whole dip...just get the peroxide on the algae and let it do its thing, rinse and that kind of algae has a 72 hour kill time if not bleached by then something was amiss

And I didnt see cleaner shrimp in the tank looks good to go.

Dont be concerned if you need to retreat some areas next week, this w be a little work to get caught up here. The holdfasts are in deep in the rock, but after each external algae treatment which has the fastest kill time you will see a 90% reduction in eyesore ness every three days after a run until this is all zapped clean.

The specific benefit of using peroxide here vs other methods:

-No major chemistry changes prescribed yet. Its actually less ecologically impactful to adjust the tank in this manner before jacking with ions and a new dosing schedule and the weeks it takes to kick in etc. overstripping of gfo and preventatives is a real concern, they are better for prevention not removal in this regard. A cuc may do it naturally, this is just a for sure initial cleaning so you can use all those as preventatives

-in this thread, we have established predictability. Your worst case scenario is a fast grow back like you never even treated, then you can try another method like tech m boosting but you will not be worse off having tried even if that means just a test rock before hitting it all in a four hour cleaning session. You will absolutely not cycle the tank or generate ammonia upon restacking, this is part of the predictability I leave up for challenge at any time as long as we aren't using API test kits to tell :)

- cucs are like lawn mowers. They cut the top and leave regrowth on the bottom. Peroxide, where it can wick-in well, is a non residual biocide in this case that will have predictable and reliable effects on targets and non targets. It works fast, no waiting for a cuc to hit those target areas they always seem to avoid.


-having the tank truly clean of primary infestation allows more accurate nutrient testing in the future as you tune your preventatives better. Of course I'm a little biased in this thread but thats my take anyway. Its darn sure whats about to happen in this tank however.
 
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Great advice, and very encouraging - reckon an attack on the back of the tank may also be viable with the paper towel method.

As for the acans, they happen to be thriving more than anything - loads of new growth, and don't appear inhibited at all by the algae, so we will keep the treatment well away from them until we need to address that rock.

For now we'll be focussing on the back and top-left-middle rock first and will post up pics of the die-off in 4-7 days.

My friend is most concerned about his mandarins, can you offer any reassurance to him with regard to these fish?

No lysmata present either.

Don't worry about holding out on pics, the least we can do in return for this advice is share our own experience!
 
Does peroxide in general harm shrimp, or just cleaners lysmata? I used to have algae problems and used peroxide and my blood red cleaner shrimp lost colour and died, never knew if it was because of high trates (40ppm) or peroxide. I dosed the whole tank with 1ml/gallon 3%. The treatment worked, I also combined it with lights out, its been about 4 months and the only algae I have seems to be coraline, and some green algae that grows on the walls and rocks, but is not invasive/annoying
 
Does peroxide in general harm shrimp, or just cleaners lysmata? I used to have algae problems and used peroxide and my blood red cleaner shrimp lost colour and died, never knew if it was because of high trates (40ppm) or peroxide. I dosed the whole tank with 1ml/gallon 3%. The treatment worked, I also combined it with lights out, its been about 4 months and the only algae I have seems to be coraline, and some green algae that grows on the walls and rocks, but is not invasive/annoying

thanks for posting aydemir

Yes I would have called that blood shrimp a sensitive. I have no scientific data to explain why some shrimps are affected and some aren't, we are just going off the collective feedback of thousands of peroxide posts I frequent and try to memorize to further the method.

Some shrimp are surprisingly tolerant of even direct 3% contact. I had a coral banded for years in my tank that regularly swam in 15% and above runoff water, covered in bubbles, and did fine. there is some lingering genetic or heritable trait in metabolism or other aspects of cellular machinery that makes this happen, its too stark to be casual, its predictable across tanks. Lysmatas and cousins are sensitive, stenopus and thor for example we've seen to be tolerants strangely enough.
 
Great advice, and very encouraging - reckon an attack on the back of the tank may also be viable with the paper towel method.

As for the acans, they happen to be thriving more than anything - loads of new growth, and don't appear inhibited at all by the algae, so we will keep the treatment well away from them until we need to address that rock.

For now we'll be focussing on the back and top-left-middle rock first and will post up pics of the die-off in 4-7 days.

My friend is most concerned about his mandarins, can you offer any reassurance to him with regard to these fish?

No lysmata present either.

Don't worry about holding out on pics, the least we can do in return for this advice is share our own experience!


I expect no negative side effects from external treatments with any fish we keep. for in tank treatments, I still feel the same at the safe doses of one to two mls per ten.

it dawned on me you might be able to hit those back patches without a full drain although thats best. The empty medicine bottle is a smooth trick, and since you dont have sensitives, the few mils cast into the water is nbd.

take an empty medicine bottle and have a tiny hold drilled in the bottom

put the cup end over the bad spot on the back wall, inject the peroxide somehow into the hole. hold there for a while
 
thanks for posting aydemir

Yes I would have called that blood shrimp a sensitive. I have no scientific data to explain why some shrimps are affected and some aren't, we are just going off the collective feedback of thousands of peroxide posts I frequent and try to memorize to further the method.

Some shrimp are surprisingly tolerant of even direct 3% contact. I had a coral banded for years in my tank that regularly swam in 15% and above runoff water, covered in bubbles, and did fine. there is some lingering genetic or heritable trait in metabolism or other aspects of cellular machinery that makes this happen, its too stark to be casual, its predictable across tanks. Lysmatas and cousins are sensitive, stenopus and thor for example we've seen to be tolerants strangely enough.
No problem, and many things seem to be that way in this hobby to me :hmm5:
On the other hand, like I said before, I can definitely verify the peroxide method, I didn't even do spot treatments, I just dosed the whole tank and did lights out and it worked in about a week. I didn't have corals so I could do the lights out with no worries, its different for many other people though. A piece of advice my LFS gave me was to stock up on corals first, then upgrade the lighting, the corals should out compete most algae...seems reasonable since dinoflagellates in most cases grow quickly
 
Read the thread and am ready to jump in with my trial of this method.

Solana 34 gal with pretty solid parameters. It's a 3 year old tank that I bought and moved about 3 months back. Included some pictures below. Plan to removed and spot tread both GHA and Bryopsis. Less concerned with the bubble algea at this point. It's low in the tank and mostly on the back wall. A little harder to hit. Just bought 2 brand new bottles of 3% and a new eye dropper.

Tomorrow rock will be removed and treated piece by piece. I've set calendar reminders for the future to check back in with pictures and experience.

Any thoughts before I dose tomorrow would be appreciated! Curious if any of the stuff you see is particularly sensitive. I do have a few pep shrimp for the other battle of the tank (aptasia).















 
Hi! Hope we made it in time~

I don't see the cleaner shrimp and anemones that would be my top two. The corals pictured can be emersed without concern as well which is nice for the upcoming treatment.

Im really glad you are taking time to access the algae directly the follow up pics will be great


Sandbed is fine grain, particle rejecting and doesn't show deep incursion of brown detritus (where mine does lol) so its not a significant concern...just avoid kicking up waste I'm sure you already have planned...siphoning off the top layers and corner areas of accumulation with a nice water change shortly after will be a nice finishing touch

Its very normal for a few areas to need follow up work. This is just one treatment, and even though you will see a 90% reduction the establishment was months removed from treatment so Ive learned to expect more than one treatment run to balance things out.

Imo its worth the work...clean tank is good for the couple months and during that time you can focus on prevention but this can always be a handy cheat when you want one.


You can use squirt bottles with saltwater to keep prime corals on your rocks wet, peace of mind. In setting targeted rocks in a sink or on a towel for spot treatment Ive also seen friends just pour saltwater across corals they wanted to keep wet while the peroxide areas cooked. We are interested in your follow up pics nice to meet you!
 
Well, dosing went pretty well. Lots of effort and my scape is totally different but I still like it (harder to re-stack the rocks, even with just 7, than I thought).

Algea is looking pretty battered, coralline is turning bright orange (to be expected).

I'm a bit worried about how cloudy the water still is 4 hours later. I did stir up a ton of detritus and sand so I guess it could be normal.

Did this happen to others with a sandy bottom (after removing all the rocks and treating)? At what point should I worry or do an additional water change (swapped 5g's right after the treatment)?

I have a bucket of new water mixing right now (has been for 3 hours). Would it make sense to go ahead and do an additional change at this point?

Thanks!
 
Brandon mentioned above that cleaner shrimp 'Lysmata' are sensitive, which would likely the peppermint shrimp you said you had in there
edit: didnt see his above post, oops! :lol:
 
Thanks! All of my peppermint appear to have faired just fine. Missing a goby and firefish but they are big on hiding. Fingers crossed they weren't squished in the re-scape.

Tank is a tad more clear. Still tempted to do another water change
 
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