pink lemonade annd pink smoothie acro
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manderx
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supply and demand is far too simplistic of a way to look at it.
http://www.bartleby.com/59/3/nooneeverwen.html
http://www.bartleby.com/59/3/nooneeverwen.html
Fellow reefers
I can assure you that most people in medical field are not as idealistic, altrulistic (good for him) and ignorance as our friend in medical school. On the other hand, don't begrudge the money that physicians make. Not many people have the motivation, desire, ability and determination to become a doctor.
Enjoy if you can afford premium corals. If not, wait when the price comes down.
I can assure you that most people in medical field are not as idealistic, altrulistic (good for him) and ignorance as our friend in medical school. On the other hand, don't begrudge the money that physicians make. Not many people have the motivation, desire, ability and determination to become a doctor.
Enjoy if you can afford premium corals. If not, wait when the price comes down.
tacocat
Premium Member
You mean stuff like this?
http://www.reeffarmers.com/farmcoral.htm
There are so MANY not so ridiculously priced corals out there that's it's not even funny. The small amount that is extremely expensive gets a lot of attention (like Lebron James's house
)In order to have cheap and common frags, you need to have expensive and uncommon ones in the mix.
flasher1
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I'm sorry that my wanting to share premium frags with people has warranted a title such as ignorant AcanLord. I didn't realize that I am not entitled to my opinion in these forums.
Oh yea Wayne, you never hear/read about the doctor's doing good things for their patients such as giving medicine away if they can't afford it (demean it anyway you would like Wayne, writeoff, rare doctor, etc..). I too will be one of those doctors because I personally do not believe in overcharging the insurance companies and raising insurance premiums for everyone else for my personal benefit. The health insurance problem in this country is ridiculous, to say the least. If other nations like Canada can have free insurance for everyone, why can't we? Oh yea, it is because Americans hate paying taxes. I think it would be well worth it personally, but the rest of the country does not think so. Call me a democrat, but I think that the government could implement this one social service program to help out our country. Thats MY perspective as a med student, so chastise it all you want guys.
Doctor's can bill the insurance companies for whatever they want, but it doesn't mean that is what the insurance companies are going to pay. I know with most items, insurance companies pay a certain amount for (my mother is a medical biller/coder, don't challenge me on this one). This is really only a small percent of doctor's that do this and it has grabbed media attention because it is a scam; You will never hear about doctor's doing nice things because nice news does not increase your ratings.
Wayne, AcanLord, Dog the whatever your name is: I obviously struck a nerve with you guys. Sorry, not my intentions. This was more of a rant then anything. I hate arguing several things with people and one of them is opinions, because at the end of the day they are just that...opinions and everyone is entitled to them. Just because you do not agree with them does not warrant name calling like immature and ignorant. I did not realize that me wanting people to help people was immature or ignorant. I help out with local charities whenever I have the time to and I suggest everyone else do the same.
Donate blood, Give Kids the World, Make-a-Wish, Big Brother (when I can). Those are just a few that I have participated in, not just donate money. Me doing this though, as well as propogating corals for a minimal price, is ignorant and immature.
Sorry guys!!
Oh yea Wayne, you never hear/read about the doctor's doing good things for their patients such as giving medicine away if they can't afford it (demean it anyway you would like Wayne, writeoff, rare doctor, etc..). I too will be one of those doctors because I personally do not believe in overcharging the insurance companies and raising insurance premiums for everyone else for my personal benefit. The health insurance problem in this country is ridiculous, to say the least. If other nations like Canada can have free insurance for everyone, why can't we? Oh yea, it is because Americans hate paying taxes. I think it would be well worth it personally, but the rest of the country does not think so. Call me a democrat, but I think that the government could implement this one social service program to help out our country. Thats MY perspective as a med student, so chastise it all you want guys.
Doctor's can bill the insurance companies for whatever they want, but it doesn't mean that is what the insurance companies are going to pay. I know with most items, insurance companies pay a certain amount for (my mother is a medical biller/coder, don't challenge me on this one). This is really only a small percent of doctor's that do this and it has grabbed media attention because it is a scam; You will never hear about doctor's doing nice things because nice news does not increase your ratings.
Wayne, AcanLord, Dog the whatever your name is: I obviously struck a nerve with you guys. Sorry, not my intentions. This was more of a rant then anything. I hate arguing several things with people and one of them is opinions, because at the end of the day they are just that...opinions and everyone is entitled to them. Just because you do not agree with them does not warrant name calling like immature and ignorant. I did not realize that me wanting people to help people was immature or ignorant. I help out with local charities whenever I have the time to and I suggest everyone else do the same.
Donate blood, Give Kids the World, Make-a-Wish, Big Brother (when I can). Those are just a few that I have participated in, not just donate money. Me doing this though, as well as propogating corals for a minimal price, is ignorant and immature.
Sorry guys!!
smp
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w00t Canada free healthcare!
We still have high coral prices here though
We also don't have a lot of the nice stuff that you guys south of the border get, but we do alright.
I agree that supply and demand is the rule. Though, I think people are being a little rude to our medical student friend.
We still have high coral prices here though
We also don't have a lot of the nice stuff that you guys south of the border get, but we do alright.
I agree that supply and demand is the rule. Though, I think people are being a little rude to our medical student friend.
WayneL333
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My wife is a doctor so I know exactly how much motivation, hard work, and compassion you have to put into being a doctor.
My point was to teach our friend a lesson in how it feels to be prejudged especially when both sides feel they have validity in their viewpoints. Its one thing to have your opinions, but to condemn and rebuke others for not having the same ones is being narrow minded.
RCS
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Are you serious? So, if I pay more taxes, I get "free" healthcare? What? Does that even make sense to you? If it does, it frightens me to death that you'll be caring for other peoples' health.
Health care in Canada is NOT free. What it is is socialized, meaning that EVERYONE pays for it, regardless of whether they use it or not. Paying an income tax rate of 40% or more (combined federal and provincial) equals very NOT free healthcare. Add to that the sales tax (14% in Ontario where I used to live) and if you think anything about healthcare there is free, you really don't have a clue how things work.
If I make $100,000 a year in Canada, I pay ~$34, 630 in income tax. If I spend half of my income, I pay another $9152 in sales tax. Do you even want to include proptery taxes in here? Looks like they average somewhere in the 1%/annual range. So, if I live in a $200,000 house, that's an additional $2,000 I'll be paying in property taxes. Not to mention gax cost and gas tax, which averages 40-50% of the price you pay. Should we include that?
So, in total, you'll be paying a minimum of $45,000 a year in taxes (45%+) for "free" healthcare. Since moving to the US, I pay less than half that rate in taxes, INCLUDING what I pay for my healthcare.
In all seriousness, move to Canada to become a doctor. Just remember that the government has the final say in how much you get paid. If you do that, then I'd consider you some sort of "good samaritan". Selling a few coral frags on the cheap certainly doesn't qualify...
SptfireXIV
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flasher1
Nothing you've just said holds any weight because almost every reefer with frags to give would gladly give frags away for free depending on the coral.
When I first bought frags from a fellow reefer he was generous enough to give me a free Pink mille frag to test the waters, so to speak, to see if my tank could handle SPS yet. I was extremely grateful for this, but that doesn't mean that I should expect him to frag his Nuclear Green's and hand them over as well.
PL's cost what they do because the demand is greater than the supply. Thats it. If I could find a 1" frag of Pink Lemonade for $100 I'd jump all over it. Does that make me elitist? No, it means I have more disposable income than you do and my priorities are different than yours.
Just because you feel that $100 isn't fair doesn't mean that everyone should cater to you and provide a frag of it to you for $20. Now, if we ever meet, I'll be happy to hand over a frag of Pink Mille to you for free, but please don't ask me to do the same for any of the more expensive corals I've bought. Thats rude.
Nothing you've just said holds any weight because almost every reefer with frags to give would gladly give frags away for free depending on the coral.
When I first bought frags from a fellow reefer he was generous enough to give me a free Pink mille frag to test the waters, so to speak, to see if my tank could handle SPS yet. I was extremely grateful for this, but that doesn't mean that I should expect him to frag his Nuclear Green's and hand them over as well.
PL's cost what they do because the demand is greater than the supply. Thats it. If I could find a 1" frag of Pink Lemonade for $100 I'd jump all over it. Does that make me elitist? No, it means I have more disposable income than you do and my priorities are different than yours.
Just because you feel that $100 isn't fair doesn't mean that everyone should cater to you and provide a frag of it to you for $20. Now, if we ever meet, I'll be happy to hand over a frag of Pink Mille to you for free, but please don't ask me to do the same for any of the more expensive corals I've bought. Thats rude.
Serioussnaps
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The difference between 100 and 20 dollars is so minimal that I dont even see what the gripe is? 80 bucks will neither make you or break you...unless maybe you are a undergrad student and if you are you need to go study and get off RC.
I dont mind paying 50-120 bucks for a frag...i have only done it twice since I sold all my livestock and moved into a new house last July. I just dont like it when the damn things die in shipping or dont make it due to the stress(which happened one of thet times but only on a $50 frag), thats when the prices **** me off...because I have to buy again because I am fricking addicted or I just have to have it.
If you really want it...you will pay it. You dont see crackheads running around *****ing about how much a crack rock is. Its something that they just have to have and they will pay anything and stop at nothing to get it.--------thats what separates those who gripe, moan and complain about the prices of say 50-150 "LE" corals and those who buy them....those who buy them have an addiction....it just hasnt gotten a hold of you yet if you are not in that crowd.
and the whole "ostracization" comment------------SILLY.....you arent ostracized if you arent buying a couple LE corals a week......WHY WOULD YOU FEEL THIS WAY-----if you do then you are really just saying i feel like being a part of the crowd and the only reason i want that coral is so i can feel that camaraderie.....that isnt the reason you buy it...and if it is you are doing it for the wrong reason....no one is OSTRACIZED---only those that feel like they should buy something to feel included----and those people should be ostracized anyways because they are in it for the wrong reason
flame off
I dont mind paying 50-120 bucks for a frag...i have only done it twice since I sold all my livestock and moved into a new house last July. I just dont like it when the damn things die in shipping or dont make it due to the stress(which happened one of thet times but only on a $50 frag), thats when the prices **** me off...because I have to buy again because I am fricking addicted or I just have to have it.
If you really want it...you will pay it. You dont see crackheads running around *****ing about how much a crack rock is. Its something that they just have to have and they will pay anything and stop at nothing to get it.--------thats what separates those who gripe, moan and complain about the prices of say 50-150 "LE" corals and those who buy them....those who buy them have an addiction....it just hasnt gotten a hold of you yet if you are not in that crowd.
and the whole "ostracization" comment------------SILLY.....you arent ostracized if you arent buying a couple LE corals a week......WHY WOULD YOU FEEL THIS WAY-----if you do then you are really just saying i feel like being a part of the crowd and the only reason i want that coral is so i can feel that camaraderie.....that isnt the reason you buy it...and if it is you are doing it for the wrong reason....no one is OSTRACIZED---only those that feel like they should buy something to feel included----and those people should be ostracized anyways because they are in it for the wrong reason
flame off
dots
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As with most of the thread, this is off topic......but.......
My buddy just graduated from Med School and is doing his residency.....he is making about 30K right know I believe, has horrible hours and has like 150g's in loans........
On the other hand, my professor told us something very funny a few years ago......."A doctor with an 80% survival rate is considered God, however an Engineer with a 99% success rate is unemployed."
I was just thinking about those two items while reading this.
Where is all the Pink Smoothies?
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