pink lemonade annd pink smoothie acro
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He lost that colony last sumemr in his tank meltdown from power outage 
. I was lucky to get a piece from him via tubs right before the crash.
Rays, Don't I know it
. This coral loves to set down a base for quite a long time. Mine encrusted for 5 months and then sprouted some branches which grew alarmingly fast 
. I tried to frag the original branch, which has grown zilcho, to stimulate some growth from that area of the coral...so far nothing. In another part of the coral I took a new branch and fragged it to the base for a friend. It started sprouting a new branch within 3 days, gotta love that .
. I was lucky to get a piece from him via tubs right before the crash. Rays, Don't I know it
. This coral loves to set down a base for quite a long time. Mine encrusted for 5 months and then sprouted some branches which grew alarmingly fast . I tried to frag the original branch, which has grown zilcho, to stimulate some growth from that area of the coral...so far nothing. In another part of the coral I took a new branch and fragged it to the base for a friend. It started sprouting a new branch within 3 days, gotta love that .
Horace
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I sometimes struggle with charging people for frags as well, especially if I get a good deal on a coral. However, I am able to offer corals that are more colorful than most tanks in my area. For that reason, my stuff is more desirable. Most of the stuff found in the stores here are all browned out and look like a$$. So when I have people that pay $20+ for a small frag, Im going to ask that much. Now dont get me wrong, I have a few close friends that I actually give frags to, but that is because its pretty much a you wash my back and I will wash yours type of thing. The way I see it, why should I pay top $$ for a coral and let you have it for a fraction of the cost? If I have to pay top $$ to have an awesome tank, im not going to devalue my tank by letting everyone in the world have free or super cheap frags and achieve the same results w/out some hard earned coin. Its also darn nice to subsidise my tank operating costs a bit!
flasher1
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Let me put it this way for all of you elitists out their with more disposable income then the majority of the population: Why would you insist on overpaying?? Just to say you have a better tank then everyone else??
It's not a matter of me not being able to afford as much as it is I just don't want to pay $100 for a 1/2". It's not justified.
As far as the BMW comment, the reason why BMW's, Mercedes-Benz, Audi's, etc cost so much is because of the import taxes on each vehicle. Thats why when you go over to Germany, BMW is a common car like Ford, Chevy, and Dodge are over here.
Wayne, nice colony but maybe you would be happier in some sort of feudal system. This is the United States of America where WE can control the prices of items if we band together and do something about it.
I run my reef as part of a learning tool for my schoolwork. I am a medical student and believe it or not, I can take what I have learned in all levels of Chem and Biology and view it in my aquarium. Sorry for wanting to look at some nice things in my aquarium for a reasonable price.
One of the LFS in my area is all about coral propogation to help save the reefs and to lower the prices per coral. The owner had a Red Carpet Anemone which she cut in half to make it mroe affordable for her customers.
Sorry if I insulted anyone out there as it was not my intention. I was more or less thinking out loud which I like to do sometimes. I was merely stating my opinion on how I think us hobbyists could help each other out. After all, we are all on the same team whether we have the same view points as each other or not.
When I do decide to buy this coral and it is ready to frag, you can be assured that I am going to sell it for an extremely reasonable price.
The cost of your electric bill should not be a point in this discussion. If you were to take a dive trip to the area that most of these corals come from it would cost well over what your electric bill is. I don't mind eating the cost of my electricity to be able to see beautiful corals and fish anytime I want to (it also doesn't help that I have an inner ear problem and cannot dive)
Cheers!!
It's not a matter of me not being able to afford as much as it is I just don't want to pay $100 for a 1/2". It's not justified.
As far as the BMW comment, the reason why BMW's, Mercedes-Benz, Audi's, etc cost so much is because of the import taxes on each vehicle. Thats why when you go over to Germany, BMW is a common car like Ford, Chevy, and Dodge are over here.
Wayne, nice colony but maybe you would be happier in some sort of feudal system. This is the United States of America where WE can control the prices of items if we band together and do something about it.
I run my reef as part of a learning tool for my schoolwork. I am a medical student and believe it or not, I can take what I have learned in all levels of Chem and Biology and view it in my aquarium. Sorry for wanting to look at some nice things in my aquarium for a reasonable price.
One of the LFS in my area is all about coral propogation to help save the reefs and to lower the prices per coral. The owner had a Red Carpet Anemone which she cut in half to make it mroe affordable for her customers.
Sorry if I insulted anyone out there as it was not my intention. I was more or less thinking out loud which I like to do sometimes. I was merely stating my opinion on how I think us hobbyists could help each other out. After all, we are all on the same team whether we have the same view points as each other or not.
When I do decide to buy this coral and it is ready to frag, you can be assured that I am going to sell it for an extremely reasonable price.
The cost of your electric bill should not be a point in this discussion. If you were to take a dive trip to the area that most of these corals come from it would cost well over what your electric bill is. I don't mind eating the cost of my electricity to be able to see beautiful corals and fish anytime I want to (it also doesn't help that I have an inner ear problem and cannot dive)
Cheers!!
tacocat
Premium Member
Why does everyone who mention Steve Tyree point out his LE coral collection and completely ignore his other farmed corals which are extremely cheap and very good looking???
http://www.reeffarmers.com/farmcoral.htm
http://www.reeffarmers.com/farmedexotics.htm
How much lower can he bring the price?
I must admit that my favorite coral in my tank is a Tyree farmed exotic that has been around for years. People love it and always want a frag of it. I sell it cheap and frag it often as it is a good grower.
I don't consider myself an elitist despite making more money than the majority of thepopulation...I do drive a nice BMW and I have nice corals. I don't have a 6 figure income either. More power to the folks who do. I do well enough for myself and choose to spend my money on the things I like. I think we all have to make decisions for ourselves and do what feels right. If I sell my Pink Lemonade for $40 or $50 a frag and Joe Blow sells his for $100 so be it, we will both probably be able to sell it as it is in high demand right now . flasher,1 No offense taken .
I don't consider myself an elitist despite making more money than the majority of thepopulation...I do drive a nice BMW and I have nice corals. I don't have a 6 figure income either. More power to the folks who do
. I do well enough for myself and choose to spend my money on the things I like. I think we all have to make decisions for ourselves and do what feels right. If I sell my Pink Lemonade for $40 or $50 a frag and Joe Blow sells his for $100 so be it, we will both probably be able to sell it as it is in high demand right now . flasher,1 No offense taken .
WayneL333
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How is it overpaying when you're paying what the market dictates. What you are trying to do is underpay for something that has a valid price point.
That's your opinion and right. So don't judge someone who thinks it is worth buying at that price.
If you can't afford a BMW, Merc, or Audi here in the states, you won't be able to afford one in Germany either.
There are a lot of things that would make me happier. Living in a feudal system isn't one of them???
Yeah right. Two words - supply and demand. They're called laws for a reason.
So why do doctors charge their exorbitant fees? Why do you charge insurance companies considerably less than an uninsured person for the same service? Why don't you work for free or substantially less at a free clinic or a 3rd world country?
Just an FYI, 99.99% store owners out there are trying to support themselves and their families. They're trying to pay their house and car payments, send their kids through college - not lower their profit margins so that non-"elitist" can afford this hobby.
I find that you selling any corals is unreasonable. You should give them away for free and help propagate aquacultured corals so that there is no need to harvest wild colonies anymore.
flasher1
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As I said I am a medical student so I do not bill insurance companies. And actually, after I finish my residency I am going to join doctors without borders.
Wayne who do you think controls the demand?? If we controlled the supply too, prices would definately drop which is the whole basis of my opinion.
Without import taxes, BMW's and Merc's become very affordable you will find.
Im done with this, I dont have time to argue economics and opinions with you.
Nice PL for everyone who posted pics of them and that Pink smoothie is awesome.
Wayne who do you think controls the demand?? If we controlled the supply too, prices would definately drop which is the whole basis of my opinion.
Without import taxes, BMW's and Merc's become very affordable you will find.
Im done with this, I dont have time to argue economics and opinions with you.
Nice PL for everyone who posted pics of them and that Pink smoothie is awesome.
Stoney Mahony
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You can do whatever you want, thats not going to make the coral grow or spread any faster.....it will only dictate who is able to buy the piece. It would probably make it spread slower b/c at 20 bucks a frag, no ones making any money and everyone would just let it grow into a colony instead of fragging every inch that comes out. I also think that alot more beginers would buy it at $20 a frag and end up killing it. I know if I just started a tank I would pick it up for $20. High prices suck but thats market value. You can't hate on people for charging that, if you don't like it..don't buy it. Theres plenty of other corals for $20 a pop.
WayneL333
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What do you think is going to happen when you get out of medical school?
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neyugn0w01
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This is not a hobby for the poor.
Dog boy Dave
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Well Said Wayne. When I was young and couldn't afford things I knew if I worked hard I would someday get where I could. And now I get to hear the kids today call me an elitist because they cant afford to buy the things I worked 30 years to get into a position to buy. There are plenty of cheap corals that look great if your tank is right. If you cant afford the LE then quit your whining and concentrate on that. To call someone an elitist because they are willing to purchase quality that you haven't gotten your self into position yet to afford is at the very least juvenile. Grow up if you want to be taken seriously. On the same note, most of the experienced elitist I know give away a lot of corals to beginner hobbyist. If the ones in your area aren't being so kind than I bet that says a lot more about your attitude than theirs.
dots
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9598040#post9598040 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Unarce
Gorgeous, Hugo!
Could you describe the lighting in that pic? For the life of me, I can't get the polyps to pink-up like that on mine
I have one from you and Tim.......both look like two totally different pieces and will be interesting to see what they do now that both are in mine.
SERVO
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Sorry to sidetrack, but to follow in the above foot steps;
IMO, I strongly feel that we should devalue these ridiculous prices and do what is in the best interest of preserving our hobby and these precious ornamentals. It is only a matter of time until some politician passes a bill that results in a CITES restriction of pacific stony coral imports. If this happens, most of us will not be able to afford to be in the hobby.
Personally, I give away frags as often as I can in order to increase the supply of the coral in as many tanks as possible. This this is my way also to help prevent the transfer of coral diseases. Most hobbiests are not going to quarantine and horrible pests such as AEFW are going to linger around. If anything happens to my tank, I will always be able to get them back.
You can do what you want, and if you are able to get someone to pay $100 dollars for a 1/4 frag and come back to you again if it RTN's, more power to you. From a capitalistic venture, thats great; from the stand point of sustaining the hobby, it financially ostracizes most people.
IMO, I strongly feel that we should devalue these ridiculous prices and do what is in the best interest of preserving our hobby and these precious ornamentals. It is only a matter of time until some politician passes a bill that results in a CITES restriction of pacific stony coral imports. If this happens, most of us will not be able to afford to be in the hobby.
Personally, I give away frags as often as I can in order to increase the supply of the coral in as many tanks as possible. This this is my way also to help prevent the transfer of coral diseases. Most hobbiests are not going to quarantine and horrible pests such as AEFW are going to linger around. If anything happens to my tank, I will always be able to get them back.
You can do what you want, and if you are able to get someone to pay $100 dollars for a 1/4 frag and come back to you again if it RTN's, more power to you. From a capitalistic venture, thats great; from the stand point of sustaining the hobby, it financially ostracizes most people.
RCS
In Memoriam
As opposed to any other imports, which generally keep pace with domestic vehicles? That's one of the silliest things I've heard in a while, honestly. By your logic, a Yugo should have carried the same price tag as a BMW. Why are Kias so cheap? That line of thinking is so flawed I don't even know where to begin or end...
Have you sat down, taken a deep breath, and considered that perhaps the research, engineering and design that goes into something like a BMW (which produces things like, oh, I don't know, the twin-turbo 335 coupe which goes 0-60 on 5ish seconds, gets nearly 30mpg, has variable valve timing, headlight washers...etc., etc...but of course, it's that darn import tax!)?
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2005-12/eb/Casecoralbill.pdf
You're a little behind there. So, basically what you're saying is we should drive down the cost and price of corals? What happens then? Oh yeah, retailers need to sell more to make their money. Collectors in turn get less money, so they need to collect more to survive. What you're proposing is probably the fastest way to get coral importation outlawed, not to mention the fastest way to put lots of stores out of business. When that happens, prices will also rise due to less competition. You're basically proposing that we destroy the hobby. I'll pass.
And I think this is the meat of the problem right here. There are literally HUNDREDS of species and variety of coral out there, the vast majority of them, which likely amounts to the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS imported every year, are very reasonably priced. Because a few of them are more expensive, that has NO effect on the rest of the hobby. What it does have an effect on is bringing out the have-nots who whine about it because they can't get one. Get something else, there's lots of nice pieces out there, and quit complaining. If everyone got the same thing out, regardless of their input, that's basically the definition of communism (not socialist-Russia communism, but true, literal, textbook communism). If you think it's too expensive, get a better job. It will seem much cheaper then.
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