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Ferguson1977
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I am 2 1/2 months into my 65G tank. It cycled in a month and I added a Semi Snowflake Clown. He was the only occupant for 1 month when I added a Kole Tang. Last Wedneday I added a Swissguard Basslet and a Blue Spot Jawfish on Friday!
I am done adding fish for awhile but still like to browse and plan the next additions. The next things I want is a school of fish (3) and a fish that perches on the live rock. For the schooling fish, I am thinking Anthias or reef sale Wrasses. Which would be the better choice to be housed with my Blue Spot and Swissguard as they are timid fish? I would be selecting from the more peaceful species of each.
As far as the rock perching fish, what's the favorites as far as color, beauty and behavoir goes?
I am done adding fish for awhile but still like to browse and plan the next additions. The next things I want is a school of fish (3) and a fish that perches on the live rock. For the schooling fish, I am thinking Anthias or reef sale Wrasses. Which would be the better choice to be housed with my Blue Spot and Swissguard as they are timid fish? I would be selecting from the more peaceful species of each.
As far as the rock perching fish, what's the favorites as far as color, beauty and behavoir goes?
this is not for my current tank, but am thinking of what i would like to do in a few years when I can get a larger tank (am thinking of a 90 gal) & would appreciate some thoughts.
flame angel or cherub angel
atlantic longnose butterfly or yellow longnose butterfly
small group (3) of anthias - what variety would work?
red sea mimic blenny
yellowheaded jawfish
green chromis
flasher wrasse
longfin fairy wrasse
yellow assessor
a few small gobies (maybe a blue neon, a greenbanded and a yellow clown goby)
flame angel or cherub angel
atlantic longnose butterfly or yellow longnose butterfly
small group (3) of anthias - what variety would work?
red sea mimic blenny
yellowheaded jawfish
green chromis
flasher wrasse
longfin fairy wrasse
yellow assessor
a few small gobies (maybe a blue neon, a greenbanded and a yellow clown goby)
Ferguson1977
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Thanks for the input. I run my tank at 77 to 78 degrees so hopefully my BSJ will be happy. My tank is a Red Sea Max 250 so the lid it closed and tight so hopefully I don't have to worry about jumping.
I wouldn't mind a longnose hawk but they are red/white just like my Swissguard
And I was worried my tank isn't big enough for some schooling anthias but was hoping
tfrechette
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Going to a 120 reef from a 57
Going to a 120 reef from a 57
I'm going from a 57 gallon to a 120. Presently in the 57 I have a clown (false?), bicolor dottyback and flameback angel. They get along fine. Both tanks are reef with sumps.
Going to the 120 I'm thinking I would bring the dottyback back to the LFS; he's somewhat territorial and I don't want problems adding other fish.
So I'm thinking of the following along with my clown and flameback:
a Kole tang (Would a yellow tang and this guy get along?)
Blue green chromis (live aquaria suggests these in a group)
Foxface? (problem with the tang?)
What about a cardinal fish?
Any other suggestions?
Thanks
-Tom
Going to a 120 reef from a 57
I'm going from a 57 gallon to a 120. Presently in the 57 I have a clown (false?), bicolor dottyback and flameback angel. They get along fine. Both tanks are reef with sumps.
Going to the 120 I'm thinking I would bring the dottyback back to the LFS; he's somewhat territorial and I don't want problems adding other fish.
So I'm thinking of the following along with my clown and flameback:
a Kole tang (Would a yellow tang and this guy get along?)
Blue green chromis (live aquaria suggests these in a group)
Foxface? (problem with the tang?)
What about a cardinal fish?
Any other suggestions?
Thanks
-Tom
tfrechette
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Hi Steve,
Thanks for the input. Curious why you said a blue green chromis group will winnow down to 1.
-Tom
Thanks for the input. Curious why you said a blue green chromis group will winnow down to 1.
-Tom
Ferguson1977
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What would be a good trio of fish that would school, be peaceful and reef safe? No damsels!
No fish will truly "school" in hobbyist sized aquaria. In a large enough tank (at least 125 gallons) anthias will shoal as will others such as zebra dartfish. Please read the post below.
Since this issue comes up so frequently on Reef Central, some additional information might be useful. An aggregation of fish is the general term for any collection of fish that have gathered together in some locality. Fish aggregations can be structured or unstructured. An unstructured aggregation might be a group of mixed species and sizes that have gathered randomly near some local resource, such as food or nesting sites.
If, in addition, the aggregation comes together in an interactive, social way, they are said to be shoaling. Although shoaling fish can relate to each other in a loose way, with each fish swimming and foraging somewhat independently, they are nonetheless aware of the other members of the group as shown by the way they adjust behavior such as swimming, so as to remain close to the other fish in the group. Shoaling groups can include fish of disparate sizes and can including mixed-species subgroups.
If, as a further addition, the shoal becomes more tightly organized, with the fish synchronizing their swimming so they all move at the same speed and in the same direction, then the fish are said to be schooling. Schooling fish are usually of the same species and the same age/size. Fish schools move with the individual members precisely spaced from each other. The schools undertake complicated maneuvers, as though the schools as a whole have minds of their own.
Shoaling is a special case of aggregating, and schooling is a special case of shoaling. While schooling and shoaling mean different things within biology, they are often treated as synonyms by non-specialists, with speakers of British English tending to use "shoaling" to describe any grouping of fish, while speakers of American English tend to use "schooling" just as loosely.[1] The intricacies of schooling are far from fully understood, especially the swimming and feeding energetics. Many hypotheses to explain the function of schooling have been suggested, such as better orientation, synchronized hunting, predator confusion and reduced risk of being found. Schooling also has disadvantages, such as excretion buildup in the breathing media and oxygen and food depletion. The way the fish array in the school probably gives energy saving advantages, though this is controversial.
Fish can be obligate or facultative shoalers. Obligate shoalers, such as tunas, herrings and anchovy, spend all of their time shoaling or schooling, and become agitated if separated from the group. Facultative shoalers, such as Atlantic cod, saiths and some carangids, shoal only some of the time, perhaps for reproductive purposes.
Shoaling fish can shift into a disciplined and coordinated school, then shift back to an amorphous shoal within seconds. Such shifts are triggered by changes of activity from feeding, resting, traveling or avoiding predators.
If, in addition, the aggregation comes together in an interactive, social way, they are said to be shoaling. Although shoaling fish can relate to each other in a loose way, with each fish swimming and foraging somewhat independently, they are nonetheless aware of the other members of the group as shown by the way they adjust behavior such as swimming, so as to remain close to the other fish in the group. Shoaling groups can include fish of disparate sizes and can including mixed-species subgroups.
If, as a further addition, the shoal becomes more tightly organized, with the fish synchronizing their swimming so they all move at the same speed and in the same direction, then the fish are said to be schooling. Schooling fish are usually of the same species and the same age/size. Fish schools move with the individual members precisely spaced from each other. The schools undertake complicated maneuvers, as though the schools as a whole have minds of their own.
Shoaling is a special case of aggregating, and schooling is a special case of shoaling. While schooling and shoaling mean different things within biology, they are often treated as synonyms by non-specialists, with speakers of British English tending to use "shoaling" to describe any grouping of fish, while speakers of American English tend to use "schooling" just as loosely.[1] The intricacies of schooling are far from fully understood, especially the swimming and feeding energetics. Many hypotheses to explain the function of schooling have been suggested, such as better orientation, synchronized hunting, predator confusion and reduced risk of being found. Schooling also has disadvantages, such as excretion buildup in the breathing media and oxygen and food depletion. The way the fish array in the school probably gives energy saving advantages, though this is controversial.
Fish can be obligate or facultative shoalers. Obligate shoalers, such as tunas, herrings and anchovy, spend all of their time shoaling or schooling, and become agitated if separated from the group. Facultative shoalers, such as Atlantic cod, saiths and some carangids, shoal only some of the time, perhaps for reproductive purposes.
Shoaling fish can shift into a disciplined and coordinated school, then shift back to an amorphous shoal within seconds. Such shifts are triggered by changes of activity from feeding, resting, traveling or avoiding predators.
Ferguson1977
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Very informative read, thanks!
40 Gallon Tank. Skimmer, Nexx cannister filter, T5 lights, 40+ lbs live rock, live sand. Going to add 17-20 gallon sump very soon. Has been cycled about a month now.
Want to have some mushrooms and soft coral.
What about.... (not necessarily in order of purchase)....
1 Clown (not sure which kind yet, suggestions?)
1 Firefish goby
1 Algae Blenny (or other blenny maybe?)
1 Serpent Starfish
1 cleaner shrimp
If above does not already have the tank maxed out I'd like to add 1 more "front and center" not shy, colorful fish for the family/kids to watch I prefer the funky fish/inverts you have to watch the tank awhile to even see but it's a "family tank" so, compromise! I like watchmen goby but...too shy? What else might work?
For CUC, which I already have, I have the Reefcleaners quick crew for 40 gallons--all snails, no crabs (and I don't want to add any). I think the CUC is pretty good.
35+ Dwarf Ceriths
14 Nassarius
14 Florida Ceriths
8 Large & 10 Small to Medium Nerites -
2 turbo snails
2 zebra turbos
Want to have some mushrooms and soft coral.
What about.... (not necessarily in order of purchase)....
1 Clown (not sure which kind yet, suggestions?)
1 Firefish goby
1 Algae Blenny (or other blenny maybe?)
1 Serpent Starfish
1 cleaner shrimp
If above does not already have the tank maxed out I'd like to add 1 more "front and center" not shy, colorful fish for the family/kids to watch
I prefer the funky fish/inverts you have to watch the tank awhile to even see but it's a "family tank" so, compromise! I like watchmen goby but...too shy? What else might work?For CUC, which I already have, I have the Reefcleaners quick crew for 40 gallons--all snails, no crabs (and I don't want to add any). I think the CUC is pretty good.
35+ Dwarf Ceriths
14 Nassarius
14 Florida Ceriths
8 Large & 10 Small to Medium Nerites -
2 turbo snails
2 zebra turbos
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