PLEASE check out your intended fish purchases here first!

[snorvich]

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I expected this response TBH, I was hoping against hope it would work and i was wrong...

I did find a species of goby, blue, that does shoal, but I lost the link where I found it, and cannot find it anymore. You don't happen to know it?

Zebra Barred Dartfish (Ptereleotris zebra) does well in a group (which must be introduced concurrently) but they do not shoal even though they are semi-social. These are often incorrectly called gobies.


Otherwise I'll just drop the idea of a shoal.



I'll see when I get to it, but I'm inclined to follow your advice and get 1m 4f of flasher wrasse.

The reason will be obvious if you do so. The male will court (displaying nuptial coloration) each of the females; a display worthy of photographing and is why they are called flasher wrasses.



No, thought not, as I said it was a last attempt to have a shoal in my tank...
Ok, I'll leave the dead horse alone.

The only one I know of that will result in the effect you want (in your sized tank) is Apogon Parvulus as mentioned previously. Everyone wants this effect, it is just not reasonable in normally sized tanks and most try it with chromis or cardinal fish unsuccessfully. In huge tanks, glassy sweepers will shoal but we are talking thousand gallon+ sized tanks. People often conceptualize that anthias will shoal, but they do not really do so; the male will herd his females but the natural behavior on the reef occurs primarily when the current is running and plankton is in the water column.

 

[Zante]

At this point I'd stick to this list, which is probably already enough for my tank, especially if I manage to source the pairs mentioned in the list. I'll think of adding something else when (in several months' time) I have exhausted this list.

Inverts
1 Condy anemone (Condilactys gigantea) - If the one I have survives, otherwise I'll have to see IF I'll get a 'nem
4 Fire shrimps (Lysmata debelius)
1 Maxima clam (Tridacna maxima)
5 Nassarius snails (nassarius sp.) - will increase if necessary
15 ring cowrie (cypraea annulus) - will increase if necessary
1 strombus fighter (strombus pugilis) - Will see if the tank can support two
1 tiger pistol shrimp (alpheus bellulus) - Will try and source a mated pair
2 emerald crab (mithraculus sculptus) - Caribbean, but I have 2 and they are staying
2 margarita snails (margarites pupillus) - Mexican, but I have 2 and they're staying
1 cerith snail - Caribbean, but I have 1 and it's staying

Fish (added in this order)
1 Lawnmower blenny (Salarias fasciatus)
1 Firefish (Nemateleotris magnifica) - will try and source a mated pair
2 Zebra Barred Dartfish (Ptereleotris zebra)
1 Yellow watchman (Cryptocentrus cinctus) - will try and source a mated pair
2 Banggai cardinals (Pterapogon kauderni)
2 Ocellaris clowns (Amphiprion ocellaris)
5 Carpenter's Flasher Wrasse (Paracheilinus carpenteri) - 1m 4f
1 Coral beauty (Centropyge bispinosa) - If I can source a mated pair I won't get the flame angel
1 Flame angel (Centropyge loricula) - If I can source a mated pair I won't get the coral beauty
1 Purple tang (Zebrasoma xanthurus)

 

[alvintran1998]

Do neon velvet damsels get along with clownfish in a 20g long?

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[snorvich]

Do neon velvet damsels get along with clownfish in a 20g long?

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tank is too small for both

 

[DT37]

Green Chromis Trouble

Green Chromis Trouble

Recently set-up my first reef tank: 90 gallon display, 10 gallon fuge, 20 gallon sump. 75 pounds live rock ~80 pounds sand.

Cycled my tank with 2 tank raised clowns from LFS and then added 5 green chromis about 2 weeks later. 1 week later, down to 1 chromis. I think they killed each other off?! I did some reading and heard they did well in small schools and confirmed with LFS before purchase.

Any suggestions? Should I give up on my hope of these schooling in my tank?

 

[snorvich]

Recently set-up my first reef tank: 90 gallon display, 10 gallon fuge, 20 gallon sump. 75 pounds live rock ~80 pounds sand.

Cycled my tank with 2 tank raised clowns from LFS and then added 5 green chromis about 2 weeks later. 1 week later, down to 1 chromis. I think they killed each other off?! I did some reading and heard they did well in small schools and confirmed with LFS before purchase.

Any suggestions? Should I give up on my hope of these schooling in my tank?

There are two issues: chromis reduce their number down to one or two because they "do not like each other" and chromis have been coming in less than healthy for quite some time showing symptoms of uronema. In any case, there is no fish that will school or shoal in this sized tank. Also, do not cycle tanks with fish; it is both unnecessary and undesirable. If your LFS said to do so, I would change LFS.

 

[RMP]

I have a 29 gallon long with 30 pounds of live rock. I have an aqua 110 filter, no skimmer. Do I need one? Anyway, I need to introduce a cleanup crew. What should I start with? I like the green emerald crab,pom pom crab, and sponge crab. What about shrimp? Thanks.

 

[alvintran1998]

tank is too small for both

So what size tank is suitable for both species to be capable living together?

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[snorvich]

I have a 29 gallon long with 30 pounds of live rock. I have an aqua 110 filter, no skimmer. Do I need one? Anyway, I need to introduce a cleanup crew. What should I start with? I like the green emerald crab,pom pom crab, and sponge crab. What about shrimp? Thanks.

That question is not within the scope of this thread which is only marine fish compatibility

 

[snorvich]

So what size tank is suitable for both species to be capable living together?

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That question is not within the scope of this thread which is only marine fish compatibility

 

[alvintran1998]

That question is not within the scope of this thread which is only marine fish compatibility

Then are neon velvet damsels and clownfish compatible with each other in an aquarium?

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[snorvich]

Then are neon velvet damsels and clownfish compatible with each other in an aquarium?

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Cute. The minimum recommended tank size for damselfish is 30 gallons. You have a 20 gallon tank so they will not work. Especially with clownfish. This is not a discussion thread, so your question has been asked and answered.

 

[awais98]

Thank you for your reply. Id rather take your advice then the LFS. We all know whats their ultimate goal is: sales, period.

Can we keep more then 1 type of blenny and >1 type of gobys in 1 tank? 120g?

What about tangs? I understand they can get territorial? Do you recommend me having more then 1 type of tangs?

Thank you.

Copepods will easily survive the trip upstairs so once the tank is mature, there should be no problem with a mandarin as long as you do not introduce copepod competitors. As those who follow this thread know, I do not provide recommendations for a variety of reasons. If you are getting advice from your LFS, asking me for advice is not going to work well if it is in conflict with the LFS.

 

[snorvich]

Thank you for your reply. Id rather take your advice then the LFS. We all know whats their ultimate goal is: sales, period.

Yes, that is true. My only objective is that you be successful in our hobby.

Can we keep more then 1 type of blenny and >1 type of gobys in 1 tank? 120g?

Blennies do not like each other because they occupy the same ecological niche. There are two basic categories of goby: shrimp (prawn) gobies which can only coexist if a bonded pair and other gobies which are non-commensal. The non-commensal gobies can be mixed depending on species. The limiting factor would be if they both consume copepods.

What about tangs? I understand they can get territorial? Do you recommend me having more then 1 type of tangs?

That is much more complex and depends on tank size (primarily tank length) and species. For your size tank, I would recommend only one tang, but that too depends on species. The naso group of tangs requires a much longer tank as they get very large.

Thank you.

 

[Thanksgramps]

Fish List - new 300g

Fish List - new 300g

Hello,

I'm buying a used 300g from a local reefer. It's running zeovit with 250 pounds of LR. I'm planning to go SPS/LPS. It's eurobraced and I will put a screen on it. Lit by three 250watt MH w/reflectors. I have a 40g QT that I'll use for each round, leaving them in around 6 weeks per round, pending stabilized water parameters in the DT and fat healthy eating fish in the QT.

Round 1
4 Blue Flasher Wrasse
2 Firefish

Round 2
4 Lyretail Anthias
2 Zebra Barred Dartfish

Round 3
2 Banggai Cardinalfish
2 Snowflake Clowns

Round 4
1 Blue Hippo Tang
1 Blonde Naso tang

Round 5
1 Blue Throat Trigger

Round 6 (aka dream round)
1 Achilles Tang
1 Purple Tang

 

[snorvich]

Hello,

I'm buying a used 300g from a local reefer. It's running zeovit with 250 pounds of LR. I'm planning to go SPS/LPS. It's eurobraced and I will put a screen on it. Lit by three 250watt MH w/reflectors. I have a 40g QT that I'll use for each round, leaving them in around 6 weeks per round, pending stabilized water parameters in the DT and fat healthy eating fish in the QT.

Round 1
4 Blue Flasher Wrasse needs to be a male plus females
2 Firefish must be a male plus female bonded pair, but it is impossible to tell morphologically and you will not know for a few months until one just disappears

Round 2
4 Lyretail Anthias
2 Zebra Barred Dartfish

Round 3
2 Banggai Cardinalfish tank raised, male plus female only
2 Snowflake Clowns

Round 4
1 Blue Hippo Tang Your tank is not really large enough unless it is 8 feet long
1 Blonde Naso tang same as above

Round 5
1 Blue Throat Trigger

Round 6 (aka dream round)
1 Achilles Tang I would not put four tangs in this tank, but if you do, the purple must be last
1 Purple Tang

 

[Thanksgramps]

Thank you for the feedback Steve. My tank dimensions are 72x32x30 high. I thought I was being relatively conservative with 4 tangs based on what a lot of people here say the keep in similar tanks and I heard at the club. Seeking to understand, with open rock work, are the naso and blue hippo a poor species choice in only 300 gallons and if so what would you recommend instead? Or are 4-5 larger show fish just too many for a 6 foot tank? Are you anticipating fights/stress between fish for space.

 

[snorvich]

Thank you for the feedback Steve. My tank dimensions are 72x32x30 high. I thought I was being relatively conservative with 4 tangs based on what a lot of people here say the keep in similar tanks and I heard at the club. Seeking to understand, with open rock work, are the naso and blue hippo a poor species choice in only 300 gallons and if so what would you recommend instead? Or are 4-5 larger show fish just too many for a 6 foot tank? Are you anticipating fights/stress between fish for space.

Well, first of all, I do not advocate some of the things people do on here but you came for advice which of course you can freely ignore. My advice is predicated on your achieving long term success and not having a tank which embodies stress which is not fun to watch once you know how to look for it. But I have seen that people do what they wish, which is fine, but then have to deal with the consequences as the tank matures. That being said, gallonage is far less important than tank length, especially for tangs. Tangs will not stand long term for feeling crowded. As they grow, their perception of what their territory needs to be changes, and when they feel it is impinged, they will remove the crowding perception by removing fish, or alternatively they stop eating. Another strategy that tangs employ in shorter tanks is "pacing" back and forth. Very unnatural looking and it is an indication that you have less tank real estate than the fish perceive that they need. The concept of "show fish" is in my opinion what new to the hobby seek, rather than for those who are mature hobbyists or highly experienced divers. Those whose tastes are more mature look for smaller fish with unique or interesting behaviors, commensal relationships, and behavior which borders on replicating that found in the ocean.

 

[Thanksgramps]

That helps. Thank you. The bonded pairs and harems are meant to pull out those natural behaviors that are so interesting. I do want a stress free tank if possible and will drop the naso and blue tangs.

 

[gone fishin]

Hi Steve a bit off topic but to your knowledge are just the blue green chromis coming in ill or is chromis in general. The reason I ask is I purchased a sunshine chromis and he Did not make it through QT. I understand if you prefer not to answer. Thanks