PO'd about Zoas

[Peter Eichler]

Hey Peter, couldn't reply yesterday, I lost my uncle.

I did type out a reply today and it is long, I mean very long. I agree with most of what you said and some I disagree on and yep, we're still friends. If you want me to post it I will as it was directed to your reply only. No, don't wanna be begged, it's just very long. Hey I can even send it privately.

Hey man, we love you too, you know that, but it's not just Charles and I, whom I also respect, but I just counted 10 people on the first page alone who feel the same way and I'm sure there are many many more in the link below. This topic is as revelant as this link below from the reef discussion forum entitled, "When did the hobby change from showpieces to frags?...". This thread has nearly 800 replies and was created over 2 years ago and it's still active today.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1941053

I always say they truth is the truth, it just depends on whose truth you choose to believe. I'm honestly not aligning with anything to argue as this thread is not an argument, it is however a very detailed, passionate and lenghty discussion. I highly, I mean highly respect everyone's passion for expressing thier feelings on this topic as long as they do so respectfully and will defend their right to do so for or against. How boring life would be if we all agreed on everything.

I will try to post more in a couple of days, but man stop the curmudgeon ( self-depricating ) talk , and come on over, sit down, take off your shoes and stay a while yah here. Every opinion is welcomed. Ok, enough with all this Bro-mance talk, LOL, stop laughing, see yah around man.

Mooch

Sorry to hear about your uncle Mooch!

I didn't read any further and will respond later, I'm off to an appointment.

 

[eg8r210]

Call it snobbery, or condesecnding, I don't care. There's room for them in the car enthusiast community, but I don't care how many MPG you got with your Prius last week. I also don't want to have discussion about a "paly" that isn't even a freaking palythoa.

LOL, it is good to see there are some people here with thick skin and you don't mind a spade being called a spade. This last part of your post speaks more clearly to me who you are then I think anything else. Instead of discussing the subject you are hung up on the fact the person made a mistake or didn't know the difference. Instead of chiming in and joining the discussion and humbly letting the person know the difference (even if through PM) you stick your nose in the air and walk away.

I guess my question, is how does your attitude affect change? Where is the value add for the forum? Why aren't you starting threads now discussing what you want to discuss?

 

[Pallobi]

Seems like there are alot of noses in the air, lol... There has been so much effort put into these threads... And then I post a legit question concerning my polyps and another about possibly going skimmerless with polyps, and I can barely get any feed back... How come this happens???

Enlighten me, please...

 

[650-IS350]

LMAO Pal, I was about to post in your thread, just got back from a meeting. I will though later... your not ignored.

 

[eg8r210]

Seems like there are alot of noses in the air, lol... There has been so much effort put into these threads... And then I post a legit question concerning my polyps and another about possibly going skimmerless with polyps, and I can barely get any feed back... How come this happens???

Enlighten me, please...

Probably the same reason I didn't have a ton of responses to my thread about eagle eyes. I just don't think normal questions for help or explanation are worth discussing amongst those "in the know" and the rest of us. I would have thought all the old timers would have chimed in with all their decades of experience but I probably ran them off when I used the cartoon name in the heading.

 

[Pallobi]

Ya, it's silly...

 

[Chriskid]

Seems like there are alot of noses in the air, lol... There has been so much effort put into these threads... And then I post a legit question concerning my polyps and another about possibly going skimmerless with polyps, and I can barely get any feed back... How come this happens???

Enlighten me, please...

Probably the same reason I didn't have a ton of responses to my thread about eagle eyes. I just don't think normal questions for help or explanation are worth discussing amongst those "in the know" and the rest of us. I would have thought all the old timers would have chimed in with all their decades of experience but I probably ran them off when I used the cartoon name in the heading.

anyone that ever seemed to help is long gone due to this.

 

[Pallobi]

LMAO Pal, I was about to post in your thread, just got back from a meeting. I will though later... your not ignored.

Lol, I don't care if I'm ignored, I was jus making a point of where most the energy goes in this forum for the most part

I appreciate any feedback, large or small :beer:

 

[Pallobi]

anyone that ever seemed to help is long gone due to this.

I hear ya bro... Unfortunate...

 

[650-IS350]

anyone that ever seemed to help is long gone due to this.

same as people leaving due to getting tired of the same crap about the people hyping stuff, pricing etc.. as well. Look at both sides

 

[Peter Eichler]

Peter good to see you bud.

Everyone has opinions. Yours I respect here and other forums at a higher degree more than others. I agree with you for most part on most of your take.

1- Sure there are more " new morphs and new morphs of the older morphs coming in now a days.

2- It is RARE to these nice COLONIES BECAUSE , they do get cherry picked at the source, tranship and the warehouses by vendors, etailers and folks with business licenses who run operations outta there garages. Then they get chopped, sold at a limited amount per polyp. posted and hyped on every coral forum out there with insane asking prices with so rational of Supply and Demand.

3- SO SO SO True, it wasn't as prevalent before now more than ever.

4. Some of those old school polyps were still selling at 20-40 per polyp at websites when most reefers were selling them for much cheaper. back then, when the Hornets became so abundant people knew they couldn't ask for the 300 plus range when others were selling them for quite cheaper. Which why some had stories of other reefers getting mad at others for selling for such a cheaper prices which crashed the market.

5 - I used to be in the middle as you remember when I used to help out ID'ing every Z's and P's there, Sharing my master list of every Etailer, website you can buy and find nice Z's and P's at, I also used to help out at other forums.
Hell I used to buy Z's and P's at a higher price cause I wanted them but when I finally woke up and saw the bigger picture and not the now.. I stopped all of that.

Peter you are well respected, helped a lot in this forum and a have a wealth of knowledge in Z's and P's. Please do come by more often and see you on the threads. I got lots of love for you and what you have done for the Zoanthid Forum. I know this place and its' enthusiasts can learn lots from you too.

1.) I think the good news is that we've seen most of the morphs now. Everything new the last couple years seems to be reaching a bit on the new part or nothing special.

2.) The internet has made it possible for just about everyone to have their own little coral business. There's good and bad to it, the bad is that any nice colonies that do show up at a wholesaler are snapped up and hacked up pretty quick. The good is that we're getting less dependant on wild colonies. All the hype in the world won't overcome a bunch of polyps sitting around not selling. The demand needs to be there or else the prices will plummet rather quickly. Envy orange doesn't really count, because as far as I could tell, there was very little supply and even less demand.

3.) Again, I think the internet has made it easier than ever for scam artists to take advantage of the unknowing.

4.) Yep, it crashed the market, and it will every time when something gets to the point that supply is close to demand. We're going to look back on this thread in a few years and zoanthids will be sold by the colony more than we've seen in recent years and the per polyps market will see prices far cheaper than what we're seeing currently.

5.) I've just kinda let go and keep the zoanthid side of it a little more mindless. The names actually help when trying to find a specific morph you like. I used to try and help people or have discussions on more technical stuff here, but I've realized that most people in this forum just want to see pretty pictures and talk about polyp names. Not that there's anything wrong with that... :lol: The reality is zoanthids are easy enough to keep that maybe they just don't require as much discussion as some other aspects of the hobby.

Thanks for the kind words, I don't think I've helped out here that much here and sometimes feel like my love hate relationship with the forums keeps me from helping as much as I should or once did. I commend you and Mooch for still fighting the good fight.

 

[Peter Eichler]

LOL, it is good to see there are some people here with thick skin and you don't mind a spade being called a spade. This last part of your post speaks more clearly to me who you are then I think anything else. Instead of discussing the subject you are hung up on the fact the person made a mistake or didn't know the difference. Instead of chiming in and joining the discussion and humbly letting the person know the difference (even if through PM) you stick your nose in the air and walk away.

I guess my question, is how does your attitude affect change? Where is the value add for the forum? Why aren't you starting threads now discussing what you want to discuss?

So do you drive a Prius or a minivan? :lmao:

 

[eg8r210]

So do you drive a Prius or a minivan? :lmao:

I split the two in half and grafted them together.

 

[650-IS350]

Its a Priuodessey

 

[eg8r210]

Its a Priuodessey

Exactly.